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Ok ive done tons of research on the website. I think Ive read every article on here, but couldn't really find a article that fully satisfied my needs.

Ok. I'm an athlete. 5'10 160lbs 22 years old. I've worked out 3-4 days a week for about 5 years. I've taken creatine and protein, and I can't find a way to put on weight. I need more weight to compete with other athletes my age.
I'm trying to come up with a light cycle, maybe one or two products, that will produce good mass gains without many side effects. I'm a little nervous about the injections, so i would rather take oral if possible, will do injections if necessary.
I just need something that is going to help me put on weight and maybe a little more strength. I'm also scarced of hair-loss since it runs in my family.
All the cycles I could find on here were massive cycles for body builders, i just want something basic, only looking to gain a good 20lbs over 4 to 6 months with high training and good eating. Looking for something that helps put on weight and I'm able to keep the weight once I come off with intessive training.

Could someone please list a good cycle for me to take and the least expensive. I don't want much, just a one time deal.

I need all the help and advice I can get.

thanks
 
What type of training, what frequency,just strength or explosiveness,post up your daily diet,what food, calories, nutrientsie, Protein/carb/fat ratios and maybe the wiser heads here can help you bust the plateu.
 
Twenty pounds should be easy to do if you just increase your calories. Track what you are eating right now and see how many calories you are taking in. Bump it 500 calories every 2 weeks and watch yourself grow. I went from 185 to 225 naturally over 1.5 years by doing this simple routine. I don't think a cycle is what you need. You still have a long way to go before exhausting your natural ability.
 
I would also suggest ampping out a solid eating plan, you need calories to grom, you are probably not getting enough cals.
 
i agree with monkey arms and prometl you are still young and can swtill grow naturally you need to get your diet and training down pat before your hit a cycle any way.if you dont find what works for you naturally how do you expect to make and keep gains from any cycle post up your diet and lets see what your eatin im sure its not enough to grow at the age of 22 you defineteley have more potential to grow whatever choices you make good luck but remember steroids are not magic pills or injections your diet training and recouperation have to be 110%
 
I've had the same problems... and upping my calories considerably helped. You do not need steroids... I've taken all that stuff :evil: , and when it comes around to it.. i just have to stuff my face with good ole food if i want results.. protien shakes help considerably.. I really love N-Large2 for protien and calories... and whey for post workouts... I've just started my mass died again of only 1.5 grams of protien per pound, but 3500 calories... and I'm slowing increasing it, but combined with the way i train (intense) I've gained 10 lbs of mostly muscle in the past month and a half...



but really, i just suggest not giving up on food and protien suppliments... but if you really need to try something for "juice" I took 1-AD a few years back and had positive results.
 
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I'm tired of people saying stuff like you're this age, you have more than enough testosterone in your body. That's bullshit, no you don't. You might be able to gain a little more, but not an appreciable amount. Gaining natural is so far different than gaining on AS. Even at your natural peak, it would pale in comparison to even a small cycle. I remember training when I was 19, and there was no way in hell I had plenty of testosterone in my system. Yes, you shoud up your calories, but you are likely to gain a lot of fat with that muscle. 8-10 weeks of 400-500mg test a week will do you good.
 
E-Swift25 said:
I'm tired of people saying stuff like you're this age, you have more than enough testosterone in your body. That's bullshit, no you don't. You might be able to gain a little more, but not an appreciable amount. Gaining natural is so far different than gaining on AS. Even at your natural peak, it would pale in comparison to even a small cycle. I remember training when I was 19, and there was no way in hell I had plenty of testosterone in my system. Yes, you shoud up your calories, but you are likely to gain a lot of fat with that muscle. 8-10 weeks of 400-500mg test a week will do you good.
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You're an idiot.
 
E-Swift25 said:
I'm tired of people saying stuff like you're this age, you have more than enough testosterone in your body. That's bullshit, no you don't. You might be able to gain a little more, but not an appreciable amount. Gaining natural is so far different than gaining on AS. Even at your natural peak, it would pale in comparison to even a small cycle. I remember training when I was 19, and there was no way in hell I had plenty of testosterone in my system. Yes, you shoud up your calories, but you are likely to gain a lot of fat with that muscle. 8-10 weeks of 400-500mg test a week will do you good.
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apparently you didn't have a good diet. You don't have to gain alot of fat when you bulk...idiot.
 
I want to thank everyone for all these great comments. I'm totally going to up my calorie intake and protein. What foods do you guys find to be the most helpful in the gaining weight process.

I like the idea of taking an anavar only cycle, while i'm uping my intake of calories. Also what do you guys think is the best Weight gainer or protein shakes out there?

If I were to do Test what would be the side effects of Test by itself???
 
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Fuck both you. You people act like lifting with a good diet when your 20 while natural is even comparable to using AAS. I don't see reason he should wait.
 
E-Swift25 said:
Fuck both you. You people act like lifting with a good diet when your 20 while natural is even comparable to using AAS. I don't see reason he should wait.
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Obviously you are stubborn and can't see other valid arguments as to why he shouldn't do steroids now. I don't even feel like explaining anything to you now. Again, you are an idiot.
 
What foods do you guys find to be the most helpful in the gaining weight process.

I like the idea of taking an anavar only cycle, while i'm uping my intake of calories. Also what do you guys think is the best Weight gainer or protein shakes out there?

If I were to do Test what would be the side effects of Test by itself???
 
im 260lbs and im 21, i gained all of it by eating 8000+ cals a day, trust me bro, if you eat, you'll gain weight
 
Ok im 22 as well. Ive been training since i was 17. I used to weight 60kg (approx 133lbs) back in the day. I got that up to 75kg (approx 166lbs) by the time i was 19. Im now 100kg (approx 222lbs). Im not saying that ive put on 40kg of muscle. No im about 16% BF. BUt best thing to do is to up your calories by at least 500 and keep on upping it every few weeks or months. I tend to not overindulge in carbs after 6pm. But throughout the day i have plenty of carbs and protein. Try to avoid fat. I have a handful of peanuts every day for unsaturated fats. Thats ur diet. If u limit fat then u should be alright. I also eat 6 times a day sometimes more. I just had my first cycle and must say i did it because the gains i was getting from the gym were getting slower and slower. I used to shock my muscles by changing intensity, days workouts and it really helped. I also eat at different times and different quantities just so my body doesnt get used to a set plan. So one day a big breakfast small lunch medium dinner (with snacks in between each one) then next day small breakfast medium lunch big dinner. Some people may not agree doing this kinda stuff helps but i think u gotta try ur best at fuck*ng ur body up and confusing it so that it doesnt fall into a pattern. I would suggest (not that im that experienced in AS'S) you keep trying without AS's (but work really hard) and if that doesnt give you the gains you want then maybe do a really simple cycle of just Deca and Dianabol. But there are plenty of pros here who can give you better advice from first hand knowledge. By the way, Clean, you are a funny character. You made me laugh with "Again, you r an idiot". HAHAHAHAHA
 
E-Swift25 said:
Fuck both you. You people act like lifting with a good diet when your 20 while natural is even comparable to using AAS. I don't see reason he should wait.
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lol-really is an idiot
 
what ya'll think if I just took anavar. I know it is meant for children so it really doesn't have any side effects. I'm going to up my calorie intake 500-1000 more calories a day also.
 
If you just take anavar you will undoubtably become stronger. As far as weight gain It is all dependent on your diet. The problem I forsee is you becoming psychologicly connected to AAS. I would hate to see you think that you cannot compete without them when infact just by training harder and eating better you can achieve your goals. There is no doubt that a 22 year old can use steroids. It is not the physical aspects that concern me. It is at age 22 you may think you are mentally ready but the truth is you have alot of "growing up" to do. I only say this out of my own experience. If you establish good training and eating habits now...and it sounds like you are well on your way... the benefits and rewards will come without AAS. Once you head down that path there is little chance of turning back. Good Luck with your decision.
 
5'10'' @ 160lbs...........start eating more. you can gain 20 lbs naturally in 4-6 months if you only weigh 160lbs. If you want you could do 500mg of test or 400-600mg of EQ for 10 -12 weeks. As for anavar i wouldn't do it. It most likely will cost you way to much to try and gain 20 lbs
 
that is good advice. I weighed about 155 and I am 5 10. I ate like crazy and grew naturally . I always thought I was eating a lot and after I really started counting everything it became obvious that I was starving my body. I worked my ass off and didnt see results. Once I woke up and began eating the right stuff and the right amount, I began to grow quite a bit. It took me about 6 to 8 months but I went to almost 180. My b/f didnt jump and I got stronger too. I was 23 when I started learning about all of this and I learn more every day. Good luck with whatever your choices will be.
 
I would wait till you're at least 200 lbs (around 10-12% BF or less) before you touch any illegal supplementation.

You need to realize how important diet is to training. I'll be willing to bet your training itself is sorely lacking, as well. I subscribe to higher frequency, low volume training myself. I'll have hit the 2 years worth of training mark in a month or two, and will have gone from 165 to a peak of 235 (some fat but mostly muscle). Right now I'm cutting. This is all natural by the way, and I plan on never touching drugs, at least for a few more years (I'm not naive enough to claim that I'll never be tempted by that time).

Forget even isolation exercises. I rarely do them myself, and my arms are one of my better bodyparts. If I were you, I would train something like this:

The scheme will be sets of 8, and failure should only be reached on the last set. This means that the other sets should be very tough, but not brutally so. Once you make all sets of 8, add 5 lbs to the bar. If you don't make all your reps, stay at that weight. Rest 3 minutes or so between sets. Simple enough?

Monday:

Bench Press - 3 x 8
Barbell or hammer machine row (trap emphasis rather than lats) - 3 x 8
Overhead Press - 2 x 8
Parallel grip chinup (use weight assisted machine if not strong enough) - 2 x 8

Wednesday:

Deep squat (below parallel) - 3 x 8
Romanian deadlift - 2 x 8
Calf raises - 3 x 8 (if you must, but I probably wouldn't even do them)
Incline crunches - 2 x 8
Side bends - 2 x 8

Friday:

Repeat Monday

Take the weekend off, and start Monday with the leg day again. So you're always alternating back and forth.

LEARN PROPER FORM. Many of these exercises (especially deep squatting) can be injurious if you neglect your form. Don't cheat on form, you'll regret it.

As for diet, we're shooting for 20 times your bodyweight in calories. This is 3200 a day. We're going to go for around a 40% protein, 30% fat and carb ratio. Try and limit your junk intake, but don't be super strict (i.e. get 2 double cheeseburgers from McDonalds, but forget the fries). Protein shakes (and toss in a tablespoon or 2 of extra virgin olive oil for healthful fat and upped calories) will make it easier to meet your caloric goals.

Supplements: A good multivitamin (I use twinlab dualtabs), a Vitamin E liquigel (2 of these a day, again I use twinlab's). Perhaps Vitamin C. I want to keep it fairly simple. Maybe creatine as well, but you should be spending extra money on food instead of supplements.

Once you get in the habit, I guarantee that your weight will EXPLODE if you follow this routine religiously. I wouldn't be surprised if you put on at least 30 lbs in 6 months, with little fat. Do yourself a favor and forego the gear and exploit your natural potential.
 
Clean said:
Obviously you are stubborn and can't see other valid arguments as to why he shouldn't do steroids now. I don't even feel like explaining anything to you now. Again, you are an idiot.
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:lmao:

I guess he missed that the guy is 5'10" and only 160lbs. PLENTY of room to grow naturally from proper diet and training. The rush to AAS without either of those is a waste of time and money...
 
This is alot of usually information for me, thanks guys.
People keep posting about training and workouts. Although these are helpful, Training is not my problem. I have been lifting for just about 4 solid years. I have read lots of articles on lifting and I'm set with my training methods.

I think my sole problem is not eating enough. I am going to try to up my intake and continue my training.
 
josh2two said:
This is alot of usually information for me, thanks guys.
People keep posting about training and workouts. Although these are helpful, Training is not my problem. I have been lifting for just about 4 solid years. I have read lots of articles on lifting and I'm set with my training methods.

I think my sole problem is not eating enough. I am going to try to up my intake and continue my training.
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Big bodies are built with forks! Eat, Eat, and Eat some more. Quality food and protein about every 3 hours or so. Eat big to get big.
 
If I were to take TEST. Could I take it all by itself for good mass gains? Do you have to do PCT with TEST? What are the sides of TEST by itself?
 
josh2two said:
If I were to take TEST. Could I take it all by itself for good mass gains? Do you have to do PCT with TEST? What are the sides of TEST by itself?
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There is more than enough information on this site to answer your questions. Do NOT use any AAS until you know enough to answer these simple questions for yourself. Let alone understand the risks and benefits.
 
I could find an article with somebody just taking TEST by itself so could somebody please answer these questions for me.

Could I take it all by itself for good mass gains? Do you have to do PCT with TEST? What are the sides of TEST by itself?
 
Yes you can do a Test only cycle. Many first timers do. 200-400 mgs /week. Yes proper PCT is necessary if you want to keep your gains and return to normal Test production.
 
I guess my post was a waste of time.

Yes, start injecting testosterone right away even though you still look like a normal person after 4 years of training. You said you're set with your training methods? Well how much do you bench, squat, and deadlift?
 
stop thinking about the steroids already. you're 5'10" 160lbs. if you've been training for as long as you have and still weigh 160lbs, you don't know what you're doing with your diet. if you do a cycle you might gain a few pounds, but wave goodbye to your gains after your cycle is over since you don't know how to eat to gain naturally, let alone maintain gains that are achieved from steroids.

you've been training for 5 years and haven't put on any weight. i'm the same height as you - 5'10" and have gone from 140lbs to 200lbs(same bodyfat level) in 4 years without drugs - just consistent diet and training. plus i'm older than you and most likely don't have the test levels you do.

go to the diet board. the anabolic board is not where you need to be. 20lbs over 6 months should be EASY just by eating more of the right food.
 
1) You are NEVER "set" in your training program. Your training program should ALWAYS be evolving and changing. Lifting for 4 years is a small drop of water in the huge ocean..... The thinking that your program is unchangable is the first reason you are not ready for AAS.

2) Anavar, while milder and often given to children, does NOT mean it has no side effects. ALL AAS has the potential for side effects. Everyone is different, so you never know how YOU PERSONALLY are going to react to a substance until you try it.

3) Asking basic Qs such as if you can do Test alone and if you need PCT shows that you have done limited or no research. Spend a few weeks/months reading. Post Qs, then think about a cycle then.
 
"My training is set", doesn't mean I do the same thing. I isolate different muscles every time I lift. Sometimes I go with explosive lifting, sometimes high weight low reps, sometimes low weight high reps. I change it up all the time so my muscle don't get use to the same thing every week. I like to change it up alot. If your muscle are a little sore the next day that means you need to change up your routine.

I never told anyone that I was actually going to take some stuff. I just wanted to see what everyone had to say on the subject.

That is what I'm doing in this post is asking questions and learning.

I've made up my mind that a high calorie and high protein and eat eat eat is the way for me, right now. no gear
 
Josh2two,

I know you're taking a lot of heat for mentioning AAS, but that is because people are looking out for your best interests.

From what I've read, you seem very dedicated and motivated to educate yourself on various methods of increasing strength/size.

Good luck, and keep searching on the boards for answers to your gear and diet questions. There are some very knowledgable individuals on here, but you have to have the patience to filter through many idiotic posts!
 
josh2two said:
"My training is set", doesn't mean I do the same thing. I isolate different muscles every time I lift. Sometimes I go with explosive lifting, sometimes high weight low reps, sometimes low weight high reps. I change it up all the time so my muscle don't get use to the same thing every week. I like to change it up alot. If your muscle are a little sore the next day that means you need to change up your routine.
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This is almost a sure way to fail. You get bigger by progressive load, not by a measure of "soreness." Doing something different all the time only makes it so that you can't measure your progress very well.

Your muscles don't get used to a certain routine, they get used to a certain WEIGHT. That's why you increase the weight/reps each session to BUILD MUSCLE.
 
man why do you have to keep putting down my training methods. Just because I say I change it up doesn't mean I change it up every time I lift. I go for about 2-3 months on each one. I don't just say I feel like doing this today. This post has nothing to do with my training methods. I just wanted info on ways to help put on weight with supplements or gear and diet.
 
i like to buy chicken in bulk, marinate it for a day or two, then eat like five to seven a day, plus a couple cans of tuna fish and a ton of egg whites. In regards to carbs, i hate pasta, but found that if i eat alot of brown rice or pasta i am able to get the needed carbs for gaining weight.
 
josh2two said:
This post has nothing to do with my training methods.
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This coming from a guy who's trained 4 years to reach 160 lbs? Maybe it SHOULD be about your methods.
 
Thanks for the post bigpbear. I'm going to eat a ton of chicken and pasta every day. I hate tuna fish so there is no way I will eat tuna. How do you eat the egg whites, just plain fried?

Anyone else have any good ideas on food products that are the best to eat while trying to gain weight.
 
To tell you guys the truth, I'm only 20 just turned about 3 days ago. I didn't want to put my real age because I didn't want that to be an issue of why not to take. I've been lifting hard since I was 16.
Right now my bench press is around 255-260, not sure what my squat is (it hurts my back too much) (Senior year of HS i did 355 deap squat, which was #1 in my high school for deep squat). So my training methods are good debaser. When I started I was benching 145 and in 4 years I have went all the way to 260 without any roids just creatine.

I just need to learn how to eat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
dude, i am not going to flame you like some guys on here. i am a hard gainer like you too. my strengths will go through the roof but i can not get big for nothing. i dont have the "genetics" which will decide what your body wants to naturally do.

that being said. yes, you can gain 20 lbs off of test alone... i would run test enen/cyp at 400 mg/wk for 8-10 weeks. do this and follow it up with some post cycle theorpy of clomid 2 weeks after last shot and it should work.

as far as side effects go...take some liquidex while on it and this should take care of bloat. and for hairloss sawpalmeto is suppose to help fight dht... also go to this website and get some finasteride http://www.inhousepharmacy.com/hair-loss/fincar.html

hope this helped
 
what about the acne from test(anyway to fight it) and would it be alright to do nolvadex instead of clomid

If i continue to train hard, am I able to keep the gains once i come off?
 
i found that taking 2-3 showers a day helped keep the acne down. and i have oily skin naturally. however some people dont get bad acne while others break out badly. either way it will go away when you get off of it. i'm sure you could take some proactive or whatever that stuff is called if you were really worried about it. but i dont think it will be that bad.

this should help with clomid http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=311693
 
Josh,

Man, all your questions can be answered by doing a search on the forum.

These have been answered hundreds of times.
 
if you do post cycle and keep training hard you should keep almost all of your gains..you might loose some water weight.

i have ran test cyp @ 400mg/wk for a short 5 weeks a couple of times (i know now that this is just too short) but i put on 15 lbs each time and kept about 10 lbs and i didnt run pct... so running pct will help keep gains as well as preventing your body from shutting down.
 
mrjrock19 said:
i am a hard gainer like you too. i dont have the "genetics" which will decide what your body wants to naturally do.
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Which loosely translates to: "I don't eat very well either. And I swear I know it all, but I really don't know all that much."
 
Bonkme2 said:
Which loosely translates to: "I don't eat very well either. And I swear I know it all, but I really don't know all that much."
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Agreed, all you lazy half-assed guys whining about your genetics need to read this article, and then shut the fuck up.
 
i have been training for 6 yrs...3 of which were for college baseball...so yes i was training good and yes my diet is in tunned dip shits...if you want to flame each other we can do that...but some of us like helping people out instead of looking like a bunch of internet hard asses who preach about naturally getting big.....well not all of us want to have 15% bf like you stupid asses and be happy bc it is "natural"...so what you are saying is that with the right diet webster could be looking like a miniature arnold...lmao...you are so full of shit...if you are so against AAs go to anothere forum on EF......
god forbid another guy trying to give a lil advice to someone!!!
~this is for all the hypocritic dick heads who preach against not using AAS while they are on it~
 
What does everyone think of this?

test cyp @ 400mg/wk for 8 weeks
then PCT with Nolvadex at 25mg/day (not sure how many days or weeks I should take this), and is this right(want to start nolvadex 3 weeks after last injection?)
 
i would start it 2 weeks after and run it for about 3 weeks.... read that post closely about pct pct pct (it's a sticky) it tells you when to start and how long to take it, depending on what you use
 
Testosterone cypionate Lyka Labs India 10cc\vials 200mg\cc
anyone ever taken this stuff
whould I want to do two separate injections or one of 2cc's(400mg)
Could I get good results from just 200mg a week? since i'm only 160 with really low body fat
 
mrjrock19 said:
i have been training for 6 yrs...3 of which were for college baseball...so yes i was training good and yes my diet is in tunned dip shits...if you want to flame each other we can do that...but some of us like helping people out instead of looking like a bunch of internet hard asses who preach about naturally getting big.....well not all of us want to have 15% bf like you stupid asses and be happy bc it is "natural"...so what you are saying is that with the right diet webster could be looking like a miniature arnold...lmao...you are so full of shit...if you are so against AAs go to anothere forum on EF......
god forbid another guy trying to give a lil advice to someone!!!
~this is for all the hypocritic dick heads who preach against not using AAS while they are on it~
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What makes you think you have to use steroids to get under 15% bodyfat? I'll be at 8% in 8 weeks or so. I WAS HELPING HIM OUT. Maybe you didn't see the several paragraph long post describing in detail what he should do? Dumbshit.
 
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