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Got this off another site posted by a moderator. Who knows if it's accurate. It's always fun to see big cycle doses.

Big A
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A standard cycle for me includes:

3g test per week (usually sustanon)
100mg/d d-bol or 200mg/d a-50 or a combination of both.
75mg EOD of tren
anything up to 1g/week of an anbolic like deca or eq (if I can be bothered - the test and the orals are the main mass builders)
Arimidex 1mg/d - M to F
20mg/d Nolvadex Sat and Sun
5mg Proscar per day
5000IU HCG every 4 weeks
anything up to 30IU GH/day (depends on $ available)
30IU/day insulin in 2 divided shots
25mcg/d T3
As much Synthergine as I can be bothered injecting - usually 2-4ml/day
As much Syntheselen as I can be bothered injecting - usually 4ml ED or EOD

That's a bulk cycle.

I stay on that for as long as I chose to. Blood tests every 6 weeks or so. Never had a problem side effects wise. The minimum amoutn of gear I owuld take would 1g/week test.

I have been on for almost 10 years straight. My body is burned out (not responding anymore) so 5 months ago I decided to have a break off EVRYTHING. So now I am natural, and not training, and just being a normal human being I will probably start gain in 3 to 6 months - whenevr I feel that I am ready for it again.

I know some pros that take MUCH less and some much more. Oe the most he ever took was 500mg/week sustanon - no shit and he was competing at 238 at 5'9. Top 6 at the Olympia too. But also there are those that take 10g+ per week. It's all individual.


I have been totally off gear and gym, and I eat twice or three times a day, all crap. I am 248-250, so I lost a lot of size. But it seems like I stabilised here. But it's more of a powerlifter look rather than a bodybuilder look.

I feel FANTASTIC!!! It feels so damn good to be a normal person for once! LOL Sex drive, etc, is all normal.
 
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Big A
IFBB PRO / Moderator

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It is about your genetics. Your genetics for your body to accept gear without side effects.

I have been on mostly since Jan 1992. Between Oct 1996 and Sep 2001 I had a total of about 5 or 6 weeks off. I never took less than 1,000mg in that time frame.

Now, I have been off since Sep 2001, as I lost my fire mentally plus my body stopped responding to diet and drugs since Oct 2000. So I stopped all gear and gym and became a normal person for the last 6 months.

Since I have been off, my HPTA was back to normal after 6 weeks. All else perfect. I dropped over 30lbs and I have gotten fatter, but I am still 242. And I feel GREAT! Light, athletic and NORMAL!

However, lately I have been itching to get back again. I will in about a month or so.

Now, this is very important. I ALWAYS had blood tests every 4-6 weeks. They always came back perfect because I would spend LOTS of $ on accessory meds - anti-e's. anti-dht's, hcg, clomid, liver aids, acne meds, etc, etc. I don't drink alcohol or do any rec drugs AT ALL. I don't smoke either. So my body was able to handle the drugs with no problems. Plus I was doing it intelligently and I have the genetics to accept the drugs. If you don't have ALL the above matters in place, it is not advisable to be on non stop.

My philosophy about cycle length is that it should be judged by your health or results. If your blood tests come back perfect every time, your health is OK. If you keep geting results, your receptors are fine. So if your health is OK and your receptors are fine, why come off???
 
Looks about right, but there's no way his natural test would be back to normal after 6 weeks when he's been on for 10 years straight!
 
Yeah I figured that had to be BS. I also thought his ancillary intake was pretty low. All that gear and he's taking 1mg dex ed and 20mg of nolva two days a week? I would need a bra with that much drol and test.
 
Hey Mak what is this...???

As much Synthergine as I can be bothered injecting - usually 2-4ml/day
As much Syntheselen as I can be bothered injecting - usually 4ml ED or EOD
 
Yeah - it could be that amatures like me are overdoing it with stuff like Letro. I learned my lesson on too much estro suppression. Letro/Nolva combo had my levels so low that I could barely get out of bed. I felt like complete shit.
 
a bomb said:
Hey Mak what is this...???

As much Synthergine as I can be bothered injecting - usually 2-4ml/day
As much Syntheselen as I can be bothered injecting - usually 4ml ED or EOD
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One of them is synthol. Not sure on the other?The company is a board sponsor on ProMuscle.
 
Wow.....my liver throbs just reading this. It's always interesting to read these things - thanks for posting!
 
He's a straight up guy...He also owns several boards....I have no reason to not believe him....

Hell I know guys that dont do PCT and hardly do any anti's...Its individual
 
Sounds reasonable to me, for a pro that is. I have only taken Antie-E's once & that was to lose what little bloat I had pre-contest & that was only Nolvadex. I am fortunate enough to not bloat nor does it seem that I am predisposed to gyno. I do however, ALWAYS have Nolva on hand & ALWAYS do the standard old school Clomid PCT cycle with great results.
 
No offense. But all of this shit sounds fake. Pros take way more stuff than this and stuff you and I never even heard of! And what Mak said was fucking right.
 
Carth said:
No offense. But all of this shit sounds fake. Pros take way more stuff than this and stuff you and I never even heard of! And what Mak said was fucking right.
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Yeah well he did say that some take more and some less. I just know for a fact that nobody could run for that many years straight and have their test levels come back that quick. I know guys that run a standard 12 week cycle and have a hard time recovering.
 
Makavelli said:
Yeah well he did say that some take more and some less. I just know for a fact that nobody could run for that many years straight and have their test levels come back that quick. I know guys that run a standard 12 week cycle and have a hard time recovering.
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What about me? Many years ago I ran a cycle with GH and I NEVER EVER recovered from that shit. And my cycle only lasted 5 months.
 
Big O said:
He's a straight up guy...He also owns several boards....I have no reason to not believe him....

Hell I know guys that dont do PCT and hardly do any anti's...Its individual
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BIG A is great man and very true of his word. Remember he is a PROFESSIONAL and doses for elite and regular athlete can vary and a purely individual.
 
Carth said:
What about me? Many years ago I ran a cycle with GH and I NEVER EVER recovered from that shit. And my cycle only lasted 5 months.
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Exactly. O/T there's a lot of new guys on this board. I haven't been on in awhile.
 
instant.muscle said:
if hes doin 3g of test and 1g of deca y is he running tren at 75mg EOD when some people on here run 75 or 100mg ED
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Ok you guys are not going to believe this. But back like in 1999 or 2000. I knew this old guy in his late 40's. I mention about him here from time to time. And he said that he has trained with Vince Taylor before. And supposedly that they are good friends. Well anyways, that according to Vince Taylor, Vince told my friend Rene that you only need to take 2 shots of Tren a week. In other words only 200mgs per week. That anything above that is totally unncessary and only causes nasty sides. Gyno being one, stomach distention, losss of appetite, constipation, lack of sleep ( lack of GH production and muscle growth ). The list goes on and on.

The guy Rene was alreayd 245lbs at 8% BF. He did a cycle of 400mgs of Test Cyp ( he never believe in taking any more than this amount of Test ), 600mgs of EQ, 50mgs of Proviron ED, 10mgs of Nolvadex ED and ONLY 200mgs of Tren per week. This motherfucker went from 245 to 263 in about 6 weeks and leaned down to 5% BF!!!!

Maybe the guys here on EF really are over exaggerating the use of Tren?????
 
that the same vince taylor who drinks litres of coke (with Jack D), eats two meals a day (at BK) and doesn't believe in protien. If I was a member of his species I'd probably only need 200mg tren a week too :p

the tren in Big A's cycle isnt a primary compound, the test and orals are what are doing the work.. it's just icing. I'm sure he'd run a shitload more if he was cutting.
 
I have been using since 1988. And up to a year and a half ago I would use around 3 to 3.5 gramss of test per week. excluding the 150mg. d-bol per day and 1.4 grams of either tren or NPP and the like per week. I had to quit cold turkey all at once. No it was not my decision. But I was fucked up very bad for around six months. I'm good now but a therapist had my doctor put me on geodon and paxil for about 3 months. But on the subject of his test levels being fine after six weeks is definately, FALSE.
 
alanjr said:
I have been using since 1988. And up to a year and a half ago I would use around 3 to 3.5 gramss of test per week. excluding the 150mg. d-bol per day and 1.4 grams of either tren or NPP and the like per week. I had to quit cold turkey all at once. No it was not my decision. But I was fucked up very bad for around six months. I'm good now but a therapist had my doctor put me on geodon and paxil for about 3 months. But on the subject of his test levels being fine after six weeks is definately, FALSE.
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the post is two years old.
 
Great fucking thread fellas. This is more like it Im getting tired of the "can i drink winstrol, my ass hurts from prop etc etc.."

THREAD OF THE WEEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im upping my dosages as we speak!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kidding.

Kinda.
 
Looks like Munzters cycle -- right before he dropped dead.

I will say this. Everyone has got to stop believing that the pros are privy to some magical drugs we don't know about. Believe me, I'd know about them.

I doubt there are more than 3 guys out of the thousand or so EF members who could ever look as good as Scott, Zane, Draper, Sipes, Poole, Yorton, or any of the guys from the 60's who took nothing but a few dball. I don't care how much you take. It's genetics. Read that again. GENETICS. You got 'em or you ain't. Those those who ain't got em are wasting their money and their health trying to look remotely close to a pro by taking tons of gear.

I knew one pro who said he noticed no difference from 1 gram a week to 2 grams a week but he took 2 anyway "just in case." THAT is what the pros do. And trying to emulate it and think you're going to get near the results is ridicilous. Then of course you can claim they have a magic drug we don't know about. Nope. Sorry. They're gifted. You're not.

This line of thinking is like eating Wheaties and expecting to play hoops like Michael Jordon because HE eats them.

And oh yeah, if you believe this guys T levels are normal just because he took nolvadex, you're living in a fantasy world.
 
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Looks like Munzters cycle -- right before he dropped dead.

I will say this. Everyone has got to stop believing that the pros are privy to some magical drugs we don't know about. Believe me, I'd know about them.

I doubt there are more than 3 guys out of the thousand or so EF members who could ever look as good as Scott, Zane, Draper, Sipes, Poole, Yorton, or any of the guys from the 60's who took nothing but a few dball. I don't care how much you take. It's genetics. Read that like again. GENETICS. You got 'em or you ain't. Those those who ain't got em are wasting their money and their health trying to look remotely close to a pro by taking tons of gear.

I knew one pro who said he noticed no difference from 1 gram a week to 2 grams a week but he took 2 anyway "just in case." THAT is what the pros do. And trying to emulate it and think you're going to get near the results is ridicilous. Then of course you can claim they have a magic drug we don't know about. Nope. Sorry. They're gifted. You're not.

This line of thinking is like eating Wheaties and expecting to play hoops like Michael Jordon because HE eats them.

And oh yeah, if you believe this guys T levels are normal just because he took nolvadex, you're living in a fantasy world.
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Totally agree with ya bro. Thats the fram of mind you get into when you get to that level. Is that "well i'm doin 1 sust. per day. why not add another 100mg. of prop as well." I look back and yeah it seems alittle insane. And yes it did almost drive me to that point but next time around it'll be at the doses that ulter used to say he did. VERY MILD ONES.
 
or like saying you can be as proficient in Math as Einstein if you just study harder!!! Some people are just born predisposed to their crafts and we the generically average admire them thinking we can emulate them. Common sense and time will wake you up sooner or later.
 
didnt u say u have used insulin for 6 years? so unless u r one of those 3 guys that have those genetics y do u do it?

alanjr said:
Looks like Munzters cycle -- right before he dropped dead.

I will say this. Everyone has got to stop believing that the pros are privy to some magical drugs we don't know about. Believe me, I'd know about them.

I doubt there are more than 3 guys out of the thousand or so EF members who could ever look as good as Scott, Zane, Draper, Sipes, Poole, Yorton, or any of the guys from the 60's who took nothing but a few dball. I don't care how much you take. It's genetics. Read that like again. GENETICS. You got 'em or you ain't. Those those who ain't got em are wasting their money and their health trying to look remotely close to a pro by taking tons of gear.

I knew one pro who said he noticed no difference from 1 gram a week to 2 grams a week but he took 2 anyway "just in case." THAT is what the pros do. And trying to emulate it and think you're going to get near the results is ridicilous. Then of course you can claim they have a magic drug we don't know about. Nope. Sorry. They're gifted. You're not.

This line of thinking is like eating Wheaties and expecting to play hoops like Michael Jordon because HE eats them.

And oh yeah, if you believe this guys T levels are normal just because he took nolvadex, you're living in a fantasy world.
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Totally agree with ya bro. Thats the fram of mind you get into when you get to that level. Is that "well i'm doin 1 sust. per day. why not add another 100mg. of prop as well." I look back and yeah it seems alittle insane. And yes it did almost drive me to that point but next time around it'll be at the doses that ulter used to say he did. VERY MILD ONES.
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n1tro said:
If that was my cycle I would be Mr.O...anyone could do it with those dosages. :Perk:
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i wish that were the case. all the gear in the world wont make up for inferior genetics :)
 
8and20 said:
i wish that were the case. all the gear in the world wont make up for inferior genetics :)
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I was being sarcastic bro!..hahaha, maybe I should have been a little more obvious. I've seen guys around here shooting a gram of test eod and 100mg drol ed not to mention the 30 grand of GH a year. Not to mention the insluin and other mad scientist chemicals. Still not the size of Arnold.
 
8and20 said:
i wish that were the case. all the gear in the world wont make up for inferior genetics :)
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But you know what I would say ...just in addition to your comment gear will make up for inferior genetics allowing guys to look like they actually have some size and look good just not to the extent of the biggest guys in the game.
 
n1tro said:
But you know what I would say ...just in addition to your comment gear will make up for inferior genetics allowing guys to look like they actually have some size and look good just not to the extent of the biggest guys in the game.
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i knew u were kidding that was why i put the smiley face in my reply
 
702daswoll1 said:
Great fucking thread fellas. This is more like it Im getting tired of the "can i drink winstrol, my ass hurts from prop etc etc.."

THREAD OF THE WEEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im upping my dosages as we speak!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kidding.

Kinda.
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LOL BRO! my thoughts exactly, kinda ;) :p :p :p :p
 
LOL this cycle isnt even close to Munzster cheese's cycle...prob about half of what he took...lol

The cycle does look very real to me..i compete at the regional level and i use 1800 or so when bulking, and i know a few state level guys that use 2500 or more....so it def sounds like a normal pro cycle. I was on continuously for 3 yrs straight until 3 months ago i stopped responding like this pro, and came off everything...and i feel MUCH better...like a normal human...gained a little fat...but the muscle is all there, just less water retention from the juice+t3+hgh.

it took me 6 weeks of 40mgs nolva 100-150mg clomid daily, split in 2 doses to recover 100% though...better safe than sorry, unlike juice...more clomid the better hehe :-P
 
unfortunately there are alot of toolsheds out there

my take is if you gotta take 10MG of gear a week to compete. you aint cut out to be a pro BBer. find a new hobby
 
hahahahha...nuff said...kinda like with kovacs physique the last few yrs

hey wulfgar...long time bro...how u been? howd u do at ure last show bro...u hit over 300 offseason yet? lol
 
Nelson Montana said:
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And oh yeah, if you believe this guys T levels are normal just because he took nolvadex, you're living in a fantasy world.
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However if he had added UNLEASHED... THEN I would believe it
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bigtasty25 said:
hahahahha...nuff said...kinda like with kovacs physique the last few yrs

hey wulfgar...long time bro...how u been? howd u do at ure last show bro...u hit over 300 offseason yet? lol
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exactly
kovacs is a moron. dude cant even wipe his ass
i have been good bud. i took most of 06 and 07 off from competition.
doing a few shows july tis year.
i am carrying 275 really well right now

Just got done with my first cycle in awhile. 30 mg Dbol for 21 days and 300 mg Deca every 8 days for 32 days
gained about 30 solid lbs after the bloat died away.
Ill tell you man, it felt GOOD to be back on the shit after a few years off
 
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Wulfgar said:
exactly
kovacs is a moron. dude cant even wipe his ass
i have been good bud. i took most of 06 and 07 off from competition.
doing a few shows july tis year.
i am carrying 275 really well right now

Just got done with my first cycle in awhile. 30 mg Dbol for 21 days and 300 mg Deca every 8 days for 32 days
gained about 30 solid lbs after the bloat died away.
Ill tell you man, it felt GOOD to be back on the shit after a few years off
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you are genetically gifted my friend.
 
ceo said:
you are genetically gifted my friend.
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genetics are part of it you know?

but I also really pride mysef on eating right..and ENOUGH to really facilitate growth

plus i train balls to the fuckin wall.

I think the biggest mistake most guys make is the dont eat right(enough, the wrong foods, the wrong times, the wrong ratios, etc), and they train like pussies( or just bad, ego training)

I think most guys would do much better if they boned up on everything OTHER that steroid cycles for awhile.
 
Wulfgar said:
genetics are part of it you know?

but I also really pride mysef on eating right..and ENOUGH to really facilitate growth

plus i train balls to the fuckin wall.

I think the biggest mistake most guys make is the dont eat right(enough, the wrong foods, the wrong times, the wrong ratios, etc), and they train like pussies( or just bad, ego training)

I think most guys would do much better if they boned up on everything OTHER that steroid cycles for awhile.
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very true sir, very true.

I wasn't trying to downplay your knowledge and hard work, but you are still genetically blessed. ;)

One day I hope to be as big as you.
 
ceo said:
very true sir, very true.

I wasn't trying to downplay your knowledge and hard work, but you are still genetically blessed. ;)

One day I hope to be as big as you.
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dude when are we gonna have a Meat up for a workout?

I will be in Hawaii for the entire month of march

then I am back in April
Maybe we could hit up some workouts @ the PQ 24 Hour Fitness?
 
Wulfgar said:
dude when are we gonna have a Meat up for a workout?

I will be in Hawaii for the entire month of march

then I am back in April
Maybe we could hit up some workouts @ the PQ 24 Hour Fitness?
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You fuckin bastard! I hat you! A WHOLE MONTH!?!?!???


*sniff* I'm gonna miss you man. :rainbow: You'd better post from Hawaii occasionally. :heart:

Anytime on the w/o. April's cool. Hit me back on the karma msg. too.
 
bigtasty25 said:
LOL this cycle isnt even close to Munzster cheese's cycle...prob about half of what he took...lol

The cycle does look very real to me..i compete at the regional level and i use 1800 or so when bulking, and i know a few state level guys that use 2500 or more....so it def sounds like a normal pro cycle. I was on continuously for 3 yrs straight until 3 months ago i stopped responding like this pro, and came off everything...and i feel MUCH better...like a normal human...gained a little fat...but the muscle is all there, just less water retention from the juice+t3+hgh.

it took me 6 weeks of 40mgs nolva 100-150mg clomid daily, split in 2 doses to recover 100% though...better safe than sorry, unlike juice...more clomid the better hehe :-P
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what's your test level now?
 
No fucking wonder why pros are huge... It's all the drugs lol ! Genetics my ass, only if your body is strong to not get sides
 
I am a regular contributor on that forum and will tell with with absolute certainly Big A would never lie. The topics on that forum really contradict the cycle methods you see on this forum. They are a bit more reckless there, while remaining responsible enough to get their health checked
 
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