If you want to double your gains then double your dose.

[bignbadn]

why then just double the dose - why not tripple or quadruple it?

I've just finished a 10 weeker of 250mg test p/wk. I'm almost 300 pounds now. I gained 20 pounds (believe I could have gained 30 but had some diet and illness and injury issues) and now five weeks after my cycle I began to drop a little weight and strength.
Now it is coming back and I am not taking any anti e's or any other shit.
I have absolutely no sides, no high blood pressure, no nothing just a big gain of lean solid muscle mass.
Next time I'll be sure to take 10 times that (the theory being I'll never have to bother again as I will have reached Olympia standard) - however of course I will also be dead...
my belief, based solely on my logic and experimentation is take as little as you can get away with at the beginning.
If you would like to live as well and as long as possible try a little moderation fellas...(oh and it also is alot cheaper too)...

 

[bignbadn]

Also consider what gear and massive weight gain is short time periods does to your heart. It's a muscle too - it bloats up big and then you come off and your heart will atrophy just like your visible muscle mass except while your other muscles can get rest your heart has no choice but to keep on pumping just as hard if not harder to get blood around all that extra mass on your frame plus deal with all the extra possible cholestoral etc.

How long you think your heart is gonna last?

I'm over 30 years old now - I've done a few cycles over the years here and there and an awful lot of heavy hard training.
Tell you something especially you younger guys (not preaching here you understand) - as you get older your muscle mass looks better and better and you start to notice gains that you couldn't get naturally when you were younger. For the first time in my life I have separation and depth coming out in my quads that i didn't believe possible except without recourse to loads of gear.
Now it is like all the hard , mostly natural work is paying off.
Don't get me wrong - I use gear from time to time - I like it.
But I love the intensity and the challenge of training natural and while I have breath in my body I will continue to grow and look better and better as safely and as long as possible.

 

[bicepts101]

2Thick, I was hoping you could explain your reasons for not liking test, after all, most would argue since test occurs naturally in the body what would make a better choice than to pump your body up with additional testosterone, be it synthetic. Seems to be a safe bet when given such a wide variety of steroids that everyone seems to say one is better than the other.

None of these reflect my opinion I think it could add some more great information to this heated thread.

hmmm...i was not aware that 2 thick didnt like test.

2thick can you elaborate for us?

 

[SCOTTY-TWO-HOTTY]

The law of diminishing returns applies to all things. Of course, within reason increasing the dosage will increase gains. You said that doubling your dose will double your gains period, how can one study back that up. I guess it all comes down to how much you are willing to risk your health

All you high dose bastards can go to hell

If you go into each cycle clean and in damn good shape... you'll NEVER need to double the dosage. The results of my summer cycle are evidence of this philosophy.

 

[bicepts101]

If you go into each cycle clean and in damn good shape... you'll NEVER need to double the dosage. The results of my summer cycle are evidence of this philosophy.

aw come on bro.

you cant say that and not post your cycle. LOL

lets hear

 

[SCOTTY-TWO-HOTTY]

8 week cycle... ran it June through July. Consisted of 250mg Sustenon/week stacked with 50mg Winstrol-V/ED. I was clean for 8 months prior to this cycle. I'm NOT one of those fuckers who only trains while 'on'. I trained my ass off that entire time... went into this cycle hard as nails. I gained hard muscle this summer better than I did during my first cycle. I'm 20lbs heavier than I was 3 months ago... still big, still hard, still strong.

This was my 6th cycle in the past four years... several of those cycles exceeded the gram/week dose. I consider the cycle I did this summer light. I'm sure by most standards its light.

Ulter- You're a good Bro... I mean no disrespect to you. But to say that gains/miligram dosage is a linear equation is absurd. The study you posted is rivaled by a myriad of other studies that've concluded the more drugs you use... the more the effects(of those drugs)diminish.

 

[wyld1g]

guys read the link, this isn't a guess, its a study that shoes evidence that 600mgs vs. 300 mgs doubles the gains.

readd it again. It doesn't!

 

[Ulter]

bignbadn, Your heart doesn't grow like your arm.

STH This study is only proving in a controlled invironment what has been proven on this board for over 3 years. Before this was a newbie board the people here would post amazing results from using 600mg E2 proposed as opposed to 300mg that 2Thick proposed. It's nothing new that gains to doses are linear on a first cycle. This is just study that found the same results.

 

[wyld1g]

you guys must not be reading the same study! thats all there is to it!

 

[kronk]

This study is only proving in a controlled invironment what has been proven on this board for over 3 years. Before this was a newbie board the people here would post amazing results from using 600mg E2 proposed as opposed to 300mg that 2Thick proposed. It's nothing new that gains to doses are linear on a first cycle. This is just study that found the same results.

Nice.