If you want to double your gains then double your dose.

[jlh98765]

You have to employ a little common sense with this study and this post. BTW, this study was mentioned in an old Muscle Media issue back in the day.

In a lot of cases using a larger amount of AAS will generally result in bigger gains. if this is your first cycle you will get about the same gains as long as you are using at least a dosage that is worthwhile. Above that you might not see much difference.

If you're constantly cycling on and off, stacking several different types and already doing 1gram/week, then no, using 2 grams per week won't double your gains.

Just use some common sense. It's better to speak in general terms with this study than absolute terms.

 

[Bruce]

all i have to say is the difference between 400mg of deca and 600mg of deca on my first cycle was night and DAY. no ifs ands or buts about it. i don't think he is saying that everytime double your dose you will double your gains, he is saying if your gonna run 250mg just do 500mg the sides and recovery will be the same and you will yield more with the higher dose, with that said you cannot argue with people who are able to get good results with low doses, it just doesn't work that way for all of us

 

[bicepts101]

i think its more along the lines of doing test at 500mg for 8 weeks then uping the dose half way through and running 1g for the following 8 weeks...that would be the way to go imo

 

[will b huge]

LMAO bro...thats some, funny shit

Still wish I could double up though....for maximum benefit....

 

[Throw2Far]

"Now I wish they would have included 900mg/wk and 1,200mg/wk in the study!"

I can just see the line for the study volunteers winding down the highway from state to state.


I sat here looking at the sticky threads by Nelson, Quadsweep, Realgains and the rest of the "sane moderators" telling guys to use 300mg for their first cycle for two months running. E2 tried, I tried, conan tried, several other vets tried to get people to understand that this was a mistake to use 300mg instead of 600mg. The truth is now evident that all those that followed this "sane" advice were in fact cheated out of what were probably well deserved gains and for no good reason.

Like Fonz I am still waiting to see what possible argument they have left.

I am no steroid guru or endocrinologist, however this is the only logical explanation I could think of:

PERSON A:

If you do 300 your first time and get 15 lbs.

Then you do 600 your second time and get 30 lbs.

Then you do 900 and get 15 pounds

PERSON B:

Start with 600 and gain 30 lbs.

Jump to 900 and get 15 lbs. (Because of the diminishing returns at higher end)

Do 1200 and you get 15 lbs.

Person A will have netted 60 pounds and used less than the person B... Obviously this is an oversimplification, however I think as you approach that limit it will all even out in the end, however if you start lower you will have used less along the way in reaching your genetic limit...

 

[Slyder190]

Why double your dose if you don't have to though? Better to plateau at lower doses first. Otherwise your cheating yourself.

 

[steelmass]

Why double your dose if you don't have to though? Better to plateau at lower doses first. Otherwise your cheating yourself.

In the words of yoda:

Throw gasoline onto a perfectly burning fire hmm... Burn out and be left with no where to go he will...

 

[will b huge]

Why double your dose if you don't have to though? Better to plateau at lower doses first. Otherwise your cheating yourself.

i was speaking in terms of double my benefit at home in bed---why double my dose at home by trading in my wife for 2 fu(king hotties!!!!!!

 

[Prince77]

All you high dose bastards can go to hell

If my body didn't like getting stretch marks so easily, and if my tendons weren't girly-men, I would go with higher doses. For some of us safety while cycling is paramount. People who lose hair easily, or get gyno easily, get stretch marks easily, etc.

It is quite interesting that you can actually double your gains with that increase though, but low dose cycles aren't worthless.

I agree

 

[hawaii50]

i didn't have time to read thru all the crap.. but if this has been mentioned already.. sorry:

ANYONE gaining 20-30lbs off a cycle, SHOULD NOT being juicing in the first place!!! That just means your lazy and are not anywhere near your genetic limit. 'Nuff Said