If you want to double your gains then double your dose.

[Texas Ranger]

I remember this discussion quite well. VERY controversial, to say the least...

 

[Killer Cobra]

Ok, I NEVER post, but let’s throw some #’s around here that I’ve tested on myself over the last year with blood work and my Doctor….

200mg of long acting test per week (lets use CYP) will bring my levels up about 650ng.

The ranges are normally from 220ng-1000ng for TOTAL Testosterone.

So say I’m around 500ng and I take 200mg of cyp a week. That will bump me up to 1150ng. That’s about as high as a healthy male teenager..!!!

I don’t know about everyone here but I would rather be more then 4 times that.

 

[manny78]

My first cycle ever was 500mg of sust for 8 weeks and 50mg of winny. If I ahd to do it again, I'd still run the sust at 500mg but wouldnt touch winny with a 10ft pole. I'd rather throw dbols in the mix. 500mg of test with another compound is a good start. Enough to see some gains not enough to cause all kinds of problems or break your bank account.

 

[manny78]

Should we make a "the World according to Ulter" ?

 

[yomama]

Ok, I NEVER post, but let’s throw some #’s around here that I’ve tested on myself over the last year with blood work and my Doctor….

200mg of long acting test per week (lets use CYP) will bring my levels up about 650ng.

The ranges are normally from 220ng-1000ng for TOTAL Testosterone.

So say I’m around 500ng and I take 200mg of cyp a week. That will bump me up to 1150ng. That’s about as high as a healthy male teenager..!!!

I don’t know about everyone here but I would rather be more then 4 times that.

Long acting? Maybe for a few days you'll get your test levels sitting at 650ng. You're on crack my man, you dont know what you're talking about.

 

[DJ_UFO]

I remember this discussion. And there isn't yet a final proof to say that double dose better gains. I think all goes at the end (as always) on each person. Everybody reacts different. While maybe a newbie can't see results from 250mg test enan per week, maybe another can put a lot of pounds from 250mg per week. We still have some experiments to do on ourselves.

 

[MR. BMJ]

Bump

 

[will b huge]

There has been an awful lot of discussion about whether 300mg/wk is enough test for a first cycle. Nelson and some of the "moderate mods" have been posting for quite some time that 300mg/wk is a good first cycle. Those of us who have used much more have been saying to use more because the gains are so much more and the sides are pretty much the same.
Why would you go through all the hassle of a cycle, injecting, scoring, etc. and then settle on gains that you'd get at 300mg when you could DOUBLE your growth if you used 600mg/wk.
The standard reply from the low dose group has always been "you don't double your gains by doubling your doses".
Well fellas, that not true.
If you use 600mg instead of 300mg per week of test YOU WILL DOUBLE YOUR GAINS. No if's ands or buts about it.

Here is a link to the full study that proves it. Finally.


http://www.anabolicfitness.net/library/Development of models to predict anabolic response.pdf

Im not sure--in theory, it should work with most substances HOWEVER WHY THE HELL CANT IT WORK AT HOME!!!!!

I WANT TO DOUBLE MY PLEASURE IN BED, WHY CANT I TRADE IN THE WIFE FOR 2 FU(KING HOTTIES!!!!!!!!!!

 

[bicepts101]

Im not sure--in theory, it should work with most substances HOWEVER WHY THE HELL CANT IT WORK AT HOME!!!!!

I WANT TO DOUBLE MY PLEASURE IN BED, WHY CANT I TRADE IN THE WIFE FOR 2 FU(KING HOTTIES!!!!!!!!!!

LMAO bro...thats some, funny shit

 

[bigmann245]

of course i have to put my 2 cents in. newbes should not do double dose at all. the reason for the smaller dose is to see how your body reacts. some people can do well on mow doses and not need to double it. a friend of mine did a 2g tren kit in 1 week. unless he lied to me he said a week after he started that he was out and needed more. he literally injected it into every major muscle. he swore the more you take the bigger you get. you know what, he looked exactly the same a month later, 2 months later, and so on. it also has a lot to do in how you train and eat as well.

newbes, do not double your dose thinking your gonna be the Hulk when you get done. thats the same as me saying if you read more muscle mags youll get huge. wont happen.