If you are using Oral steroids, you need to take this to save your liver.

[Big Rick Rock]

Guys,


Anybody taking orals should be taking something to protect your liver.

Your steroid cycle will en in a few weeks, but your liver you need for LIFE! So take care of it:



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All of these products are essential for your liver to live longer. So take them!


!

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Bump for your liver!

 

[Big_Joe]

I would like to put forth a different view point. After having studied and examined many liver disease patients I think all of the liver health supps are actually bad for the liver. Everything you injest, that is water soluble and therefor goes into the hepatic portal vein system, places a strain on the liver. There is nothing you can take that will protect your liver. The best way to protect your liver is to not injest things that will harm it. Even spicey foods put strain on the liver. There a was a case in the news a while back of a up and coming chef that made a vary hot hot sauce. He eat some and died in the night. I'm sure it was from liver failure.

So if you are taking things that put a strain on the liver you need blood work regualrly to tell if you are getting into trouble. Blood tests like ALT and AST are not liver funtion tests. They test for inflamation and can give false readings from a heavy leg workout. The test you nee for liver function is a GGT. It costs more but is the only way to get the real information about how your liver is doing.

If you do get blood work and it shows your liver is under to much strain stop everything going into your body. Fast on water with a little lemon juice for a few days. A three day fast will drop much more fat then muscle so don't worry to much about it. After the fast eat foods like white rice or potatoes. After a few days add some veggies that are not acidic. After about a month recheck you liver values. They should be normal or close to normal.

Don't waste your money and put more strain on your liver by stuffing these liver supps down your throat.

 

[Sub-Zero]

I would like to put forth a different view point. After having studied and examined many liver disease patients I think all of the liver health supps are actually bad for the liver. Everything you injest, that is water soluble and therefor goes into the hepatic portal vein system, places a strain on the liver. There is nothing you can take that will protect your liver. The best way to protect your liver is to not injest things that will harm it. Even spicey foods put strain on the liver. There a was a case in the news a while back of a up and coming chef that made a vary hot hot sauce. He eat some and died in the night. I'm sure it was from liver failure.

So if you are taking things that put a strain on the liver you need blood work regualrly to tell if you are getting into trouble. Blood tests like ALT and AST are not liver funtion tests. They test for inflamation and can give false readings from a heavy leg workout. The test you nee for liver function is a GGT. It costs more but is the only way to get the real information about how your liver is doing.

If you do get blood work and it shows your liver is under to much strain stop everything going into your body. Fast on water with a little lemon juice for a few days. A three day fast will drop much more fat then muscle so don't worry to much about it. After the fast eat foods like white rice or potatoes. After a few days add some veggies that are not acidic. After about a month recheck you liver values. They should be normal or close to normal.

Don't waste your money and put more strain on your liver by stuffing these liver supps down your throat.

very good post bro. iv heard similar things

 

[Big Rick Rock]

I would like to put forth a different view point. After having studied and examined many liver disease patients I think all of the liver health supps are actually bad for the liver. Everything you injest, that is water soluble and therefor goes into the hepatic portal vein system, places a strain on the liver. There is nothing you can take that will protect your liver. The best way to protect your liver is to not injest things that will harm it. Even spicey foods put strain on the liver. There a was a case in the news a while back of a up and coming chef that made a vary hot hot sauce. He eat some and died in the night. I'm sure it was from liver failure.

So if you are taking things that put a strain on the liver you need blood work regualrly to tell if you are getting into trouble. Blood tests like ALT and AST are not liver funtion tests. They test for inflamation and can give false readings from a heavy leg workout. The test you nee for liver function is a GGT. It costs more but is the only way to get the real information about how your liver is doing.

If you do get blood work and it shows your liver is under to much strain stop everything going into your body. Fast on water with a little lemon juice for a few days. A three day fast will drop much more fat then muscle so don't worry to much about it. After the fast eat foods like white rice or potatoes. After a few days add some veggies that are not acidic. After about a month recheck you liver values. They should be normal or close to normal.

Don't waste your money and put more strain on your liver by stuffing these liver supps down your throat.

Can you look into the ingredients in the products of the links I posted above and tell us what you feel will strain the liver further?

These products have been recommended by doctors and experts for years. I'm very interested to hear your your view on the specific ingredients in these products.


Thank You!

 

[ConanX]

I'm going to be on Oral Winstrol pretty soon and I planned on taking Milk Thistle and maybe that Liv52 supp...but this was to support my liver, not damage it further! Very interested on hearing the outcome of this.

When on cycle (and actually in the past year) I don't drink alcohol, I just drown myself with water every day hoping that this will be enough that my liver will stay healthy.

This is a very important topic as we only have 1 liver.

 

[Nelson Montana]

True, some "supps" will "cleanse" the liver by forcing to remove toxins, which in turn can be a stress in itself though Liv 52 has been a mainstay in the gear using community for decades. However, the only ingredient proven to actually regenerate liver cells in "Pirkoliv" and that's what's in this: Post Cycle. Liver recovery agent, anti-catabolic and erectile enhancer. | EliteFitnessNutrition

Last time out I used both and values came back perfect.

 

[2evil]

I would like to put forth a different view point. After having studied and examined many liver disease patients I think all of the liver health supps are actually bad for the liver. Everything you injest, that is water soluble and therefor goes into the hepatic portal vein system, places a strain on the liver. There is nothing you can take that will protect your liver. The best way to protect your liver is to not injest things that will harm it. Even spicey foods put strain on the liver. There a was a case in the news a while back of a up and coming chef that made a vary hot hot sauce. He eat some and died in the night. I'm sure it was from liver failure.

So if you are taking things that put a strain on the liver you need blood work regualrly to tell if you are getting into trouble. Blood tests like ALT and AST are not liver funtion tests. They test for inflamation and can give false readings from a heavy leg workout. The test you nee for liver function is a GGT. It costs more but is the only way to get the real information about how your liver is doing.

If you do get blood work and it shows your liver is under to much strain stop everything going into your body. Fast on water with a little lemon juice for a few days. A three day fast will drop much more fat then muscle so don't worry to much about it. After the fast eat foods like white rice or potatoes. After a few days add some veggies that are not acidic. After about a month recheck you liver values. They should be normal or close to normal.

Don't waste your money and put more strain on your liver by stuffing these liver supps down your throat.

Damn. I eat a ton of spicy foods. I have to look into this now....

 

[advanced-stealth]

Very interesting.

I would like to put forth a different view point. After having studied and examined many liver disease patients I think all of the liver health supps are actually bad for the liver. Everything you injest, that is water soluble and therefor goes into the hepatic portal vein system, places a strain on the liver. There is nothing you can take that will protect your liver. The best way to protect your liver is to not injest things that will harm it. Even spicey foods put strain on the liver. There a was a case in the news a while back of a up and coming chef that made a vary hot hot sauce. He eat some and died in the night. I'm sure it was from liver failure.

So if you are taking things that put a strain on the liver you need blood work regualrly to tell if you are getting into trouble. Blood tests like ALT and AST are not liver funtion tests. They test for inflamation and can give false readings from a heavy leg workout. The test you nee for liver function is a GGT. It costs more but is the only way to get the real information about how your liver is doing.

If you do get blood work and it shows your liver is under to much strain stop everything going into your body. Fast on water with a little lemon juice for a few days. A three day fast will drop much more fat then muscle so don't worry to much about it. After the fast eat foods like white rice or potatoes. After a few days add some veggies that are not acidic. After about a month recheck you liver values. They should be normal or close to normal.

Don't waste your money and put more strain on your liver by stuffing these liver supps down your throat.

 

[centeroiler]

I would like to put forth a different view point. After having studied and examined many liver disease patients I think all of the liver health supps are actually bad for the liver. Everything you injest, that is water soluble and therefor goes into the hepatic portal vein system, places a strain on the liver. There is nothing you can take that will protect your liver. The best way to protect your liver is to not injest things that will harm it. Even spicey foods put strain on the liver. There a was a case in the news a while back of a up and coming chef that made a vary hot hot sauce. He eat some and died in the night. I'm sure it was from liver failure.

So if you are taking things that put a strain on the liver you need blood work regualrly to tell if you are getting into trouble. Blood tests like ALT and AST are not liver funtion tests. They test for inflamation and can give false readings from a heavy leg workout. The test you nee for liver function is a GGT. It costs more but is the only way to get the real information about how your liver is doing.

If you do get blood work and it shows your liver is under to much strain stop everything going into your body. Fast on water with a little lemon juice for a few days. A three day fast will drop much more fat then muscle so don't worry to much about it. After the fast eat foods like white rice or potatoes. After a few days add some veggies that are not acidic. After about a month recheck you liver values. They should be normal or close to normal.

Don't waste your money and put more strain on your liver by stuffing these liver supps down your throat.

Big_Joe, you obviously have a medical background by the content of your post. I'm guessing a Dr. Could you elaborate, in detail, on the differences between the tests you reference?

I am not a doctor, but my understanding is that the main function of the liver is to metabolize fat. Is this true? If so: One thing I rarely, if ever, see mentioned is the importance of drinking copious amounts of water, as it relates to liver function. The reason being, that dehydration leads to the build up of toxins in the kidney's and other bodily systems, and thus causes the liver to spend most of its time cleansing the body of toxins rather than metabolizing fat. This, I am assuming is the reason for the water/lemon juice(acidic) fast. I'm then confused about the reasoning on switching to starches and non-acidic vegatables. Can you explain the basis of your therapies here? This is all good stuff about liver care that we all should know, but how did you arrive at it?

I have personally seen great improvement using Liv 52 and I swear by it. But now, I'm not sure which test I was relying on.

Nelson, what is pirkoliv? And, where can I find the studies showing cell regeneration in the liver?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Big_Joe, you obviously have a medical background by the content of your post. I'm guessing a Dr. Could you elaborate, in detail, on the differences between the tests you reference?

I am not a doctor, but my understanding is that the main function of the liver is to metabolize fat. Is this true? If so: One thing I rarely, if ever, see mentioned is the importance of drinking copious amounts of water, as it relates to liver function. The reason being, that dehydration leads to the build up of toxins in the kidney's and other bodily systems, and thus causes the liver to spend most of its time cleansing the body of toxins rather than metabolizing fat. This, I am assuming is the reason for the water/lemon juice(acidic) fast. I'm then confused about the reasoning on switching to starches and non-acidic vegatables. Can you explain the basis of your therapies here? This is all good stuff about liver care that we all should know, but how did you arrive at it?

I have personally seen great improvement using Liv 52 and I swear by it. But now, I'm not sure which test I was relying on.

Nelson, what is pirkoliv? And, where can I find the studies showing cell regeneration in the liver?

Here's one:ScienceDirect - European Journal of Pharmacology : Picroliv preconditioning protects the rat liver against ischemia–reperfusion injury

 

[Nelson Montana]

Here's another: SpringerLink - Journal Article

So yeah, a lot of stuff is really anectodal folk lore. But this is real science. You have to "rest" the liver to clean it. But Picroliv (sorry, mixed up the r and c in the last spelling) is genuine and works.

When I set out to make POST CYCLE it wasn't just to put some shit that everyone else was using in it and sell it. It's serious. Everyone who takes anabolics, pro-hormones or designer steroids should use it if they value their liver health.

 

[eliteandy]

Great thread and info on all parts! These are the types of threads newbs(like me) should be reading!
Bump!

 

[musclemom]

True, some "supps" will "cleanse" the liver by forcing to remove toxins, which in turn can be a stress in itself though Liv 52 has been a mainstay in the gear using community for decades. However, the only ingredient proven to actually regenerate liver cells in "Pirkoliv" and that's what's in this: Post Cycle. Liver recovery agent, anti-catabolic and erectile enhancer. | EliteFitnessNutrition

Last time out I used both and values came back perfect.

It sounds like Big_joe is an American M.D. They HATE herbs, don't believe in them and consider them useless at best and frighteningly unpredictable and harmful at worst.

The fact of the matter is silymarin has been effectively used to counteract poisons that directly attack the liver since humans have known enough to utilize it.

 

[jonny jacked]

Can you look into the ingredients in the products of the links I posted above and tell us what you feel will strain the liver further?

These products have been recommended by doctors and experts for years. I'm very interested to hear your your view on the specific ingredients in these products.


Thank You!

Rick, when you say doctors - do you know which ones? or are you just stating this because it is what you have heard? also, do you know what they are basing their statements on? is it medical fact? or, just personal opinion?
is there any actual science backing up the claims made by these doctors and experts? if yes, could you please list these for us so we could look them up?

thanks

 

[jonny jacked]

also Rick, does the products you list have this ingredient that Nelson is mentioning? it sounds legit.

I think it would be very benificial for us - the members here to see some actual science back up the claims made by the products being sold by our sponsors.
It puts to rest the question of 'does this product actually work' - in my opinion, but maybe thats because I come from a science background.

 

[VintageStrat]

Sounds right to me, essentially then, a n y t h i n g we ingest puts a strain on our main detoxifying Organ, the Liver.

Yikes.........time to kick the water up to TWO Gallons........UHHHHHHHH

THX!

 

[Sub-Zero]

would you suggest backing off vitamin supps while on oral cycles?

 

[Big Rick Rock]

Rick, when you say doctors - do you know which ones? or are you just stating this because it is what you have heard? also, do you know what they are basing their statements on? is it medical fact? or, just personal opinion?
is there any actual science backing up the claims made by these doctors and experts? if yes, could you please list these for us so we could look them up?

thanks

Wait... You want a list of Doctors and experts who have prescribed and/or recommended Liv 52 and Essential Forte or other liver support supplements to their patients/clients, along with a description on why each of them decided to do so?

I just want to be clear on what information you are asking for.

I have at least one expert in this thread who seems to be in agreement:

Liv 52 has been a mainstay in the gear using community for decades.

Should I Pm Nelson and ask him about his basis for the above statement and them post it here?

Do you want me to find more experts and doctors like this and repeat the same procedure?



!

 

[dabuffguy]

Good liver supplements like those mentioned are clinically proven, end of story.

 

[centeroiler]

Wait... You want a list of Doctors and experts who have prescribed and/or recommended Liv 52 and Essential Forte or other liver support supplements to their patients/clients, along with a description on why each of them decided to do so?

I just want to be clear on what information you are asking for.

I have at least one expert in this thread who seems to be in agreement:



Should I Pm Nelson and ask him about his basis for the above statement and them post it here?

Do you want me to find more experts and doctors like this and repeat the same procedure?



!

Liv 52 brought my values down from near cirrosis levels. As I said, I swear by it. It has been around since 1955 and has countless studies showing its efficacy. Nuff said.

 

[2evil]

Liv 52 brought my values down from near cirrosis levels. As I said, I swear by it. It has been around since 1955 and has countless studies showing its efficacy. Nuff said.

Was this post cycle bro? I'm glad to hear it worked so well for you...

 

[pdaddyII]

I would like to put forth a different view point. After having studied and examined many liver disease patients I think all of the liver health supps are actually bad for the liver. Everything you injest, that is water soluble and therefor goes into the hepatic portal vein system, places a strain on the liver. There is nothing you can take that will protect your liver. The best way to protect your liver is to not injest things that will harm it. Even spicey foods put strain on the liver. There a was a case in the news a while back of a up and coming chef that made a vary hot hot sauce. He eat some and died in the night. I'm sure it was from liver failure.

So if you are taking things that put a strain on the liver you need blood work regualrly to tell if you are getting into trouble. Blood tests like ALT and AST are not liver funtion tests. They test for inflamation and can give false readings from a heavy leg workout. The test you nee for liver function is a GGT. It costs more but is the only way to get the real information about how your liver is doing.

If you do get blood work and it shows your liver is under to much strain stop everything going into your body. Fast on water with a little lemon juice for a few days. A three day fast will drop much more fat then muscle so don't worry to much about it. After the fast eat foods like white rice or potatoes. After a few days add some veggies that are not acidic. After about a month recheck you liver values. They should be normal or close to normal.

Don't waste your money and put more strain on your liver by stuffing these liver supps down your throat.

This is a bunch of crap, You WILL NOT get liver damage from eating spicy foods. The liver filters toxins from the body and although salsa is spicy it is not a toxin to the body.

I could not find even an ounce of research on any of these supplements causing the direct opposite intended effect. I also asked my girlfriend about this who is a Dr and she said it's rubbish.

So please, if you make such outlandish statements, at least back them up with some proof.

 

[dabuffguy]

This is a bunch of crap, You WILL NOT get liver damage from eating spicy foods. The liver filters toxins from the body and although salsa is spicy it is not a toxin to the body.

I could not find even an ounce of research on any of these supplements causing the direct opposite intended effect. I also asked my girlfriend about this who is a Dr and she said it's rubbish.

So please, if you make such outlandish statements, at least back them up with some proof.

Yup.




Hey sek-c

 

[pdaddyII]

Yup.




Hey sek-c

rawr

 

[centeroiler]

Was this post cycle bro? I'm glad to hear it worked so well for you...

Actually, it was post-substance abuse. Liv 52 may not have been the only reason I got my liver back, but it certainly helped. Values came back from the dead to quite normal in a very short time. Shorter, I am convinced, than without it. That's if they would have come back at all without it. That's my experience.

 

[2evil]

Actually, it was post-substance abuse. Liv 52 may not have been the only reason I got my liver back, but it certainly helped. Values came back from the dead to quite normal in a very short time. Shorter, I am convinced, than without it. That's if they would have come back at all without it. That's my experience.

That's great to hear.

 

[2evil]

This is a bunch of crap, You WILL NOT get liver damage from eating spicy foods. The liver filters toxins from the body and although salsa is spicy it is not a toxin to the body.

I could not find even an ounce of research on any of these supplements causing the direct opposite intended effect. I also asked my girlfriend about this who is a Dr and she said it's rubbish.

So please, if you make such outlandish statements, at least back them up with some proof.

I too could only find the health benefits and positive things about spicy foods and hot peppers.

 

[needtogetaas]

Guys,


Anybody taking orals should be taking something to protect your liver.

Your steroid cycle will en in a few weeks, but your liver you need for LIFE! So take care of it:



Buy LIV52 Online, Liver disease drugs, prescription free


Buy MILK THISTLE (SILYBUM MARIANUM) Online, Liver disease drugs, prescription free


Buy ESSENTIALE FORTE N Online, Liver disease drugs, prescription free


Buy ROFERON A (INTERFERON ALFA-2A.) Online, Liver disease drugs, prescription free


All of these products are essential for your liver to live longer. So take them!


!

This one I am pretty sure is used by the medical community all the time. Comes in injects too.

 

[needtogetaas]

It sounds like Big_joe is an American M.D. They HATE herbs, don't believe in them and consider them useless at best and frighteningly unpredictable and harmful at worst.

The fact of the matter is silymarin has been effectively used to counteract poisons that directly attack the liver since humans have known enough to utilize it.

Well I mean come on. I am sure they must hate the stuff. Anything cutting into there paycheck and kick backs from the drug companies.

I like MM because she knows how much better herbal and natural meds are for you, ANd exactly why anyone in the medical field will say and do everything they can to get you not to use them.

 

[centeroiler]

I would like to put forth a different view point. After having studied and examined many liver disease patients I think all of the liver health supps are actually bad for the liver. Everything you injest, that is water soluble and therefor goes into the hepatic portal vein system, places a strain on the liver. There is nothing you can take that will protect your liver. The best way to protect your liver is to not injest things that will harm it. Even spicey foods put strain on the liver. There a was a case in the news a while back of a up and coming chef that made a vary hot hot sauce. He eat some and died in the night. I'm sure it was from liver failure.

So if you are taking things that put a strain on the liver you need blood work regualrly to tell if you are getting into trouble. Blood tests like ALT and AST are not liver funtion tests. They test for inflamation and can give false readings from a heavy leg workout. The test you nee for liver function is a GGT. It costs more but is the only way to get the real information about how your liver is doing.

If you do get blood work and it shows your liver is under to much strain stop everything going into your body. Fast on water with a little lemon juice for a few days. A three day fast will drop much more fat then muscle so don't worry to much about it. After the fast eat foods like white rice or potatoes. After a few days add some veggies that are not acidic. After about a month recheck you liver values. They should be normal or close to normal.

Don't waste your money and put more strain on your liver by stuffing these liver supps down your throat.

Big_Joe, can you come back on and explain this please? I am very interested in how you came to these conclusions.

 

[2evil]

Well I mean come on. I am sure they must hate the stuff. Anything cutting into there paycheck and kick backs from the drug companies.

I like MM because she knows how much better herbal and natural meds are for you, ANd exactly why anyone in the medical field will say and do everything they can to get you not to use them.

VERY true!

 

[terrapin]

no need to bust on all Drs. herbs don't have anything to do with paychecks. some people like them, some don't. lets not generalize.

 

[needtogetaas]

no need to bust on all Drs. herbs don't have anything to do with paychecks. some people like them, some don't. lets not generalize.

AAAHHH god I love your posts. Because each one gives me another chance to see that girls hot bod.

 

[terrapin]

thanks man. i haven't been on in some time. i just was checking out my avy- god i'd love to get that. peace needto

 

[needtogetaas]

thanks man. i haven't been on in some time. i just was checking out my avy- god i'd love to get that. peace needto

Peace bro.

 

[sensational]

There is very little scientific basis for any liver supps...

But, if it works for people, and they have seen results in blood tests (Placebo effect?) then it is good for them.

Liver Detox is the only way in my opinion...which could be wrong, but I have yet to be persuaded to buy liver supps.

 

[Big Rick Rock]

would you suggest backing off vitamin supps while on oral cycles?

I think it is VERY important to get all of your required vitamins and minerals while taking gear or even just training.



!

 

[Ruca]

4l8r

 

[njmuscleguy]

I can only speak from personal experience, I tried Liv52, Tyler's, etc. several times and then had my liver enzymes checked and none of them brought the values down andy lower than those times when I hadn't...

I do think that it's a good idea to take r-ALA and N-Acetyl-Cystein because there is a ton of favorable research on them for good overall liver health.

Just my 2 cents

 

[cooltrouble]

wuzz up gang:

I dont care what big joe say I aint giving up my curry chicken with rice and beans, with a side of plantains for no body!!!! Shit! my liver will survive. I do however believe in herbal supplements for cleaning the blood and removing toxins from the system.

my life insurance co. wanted me to take another physical to continue my policy this year. Back then i was swalling halodrol 50 like freaking gumballs. What's a brother. suppose to do. Hell! I laid off the product a week before the nurse came to my house and cleaned myself real nice. You'all woulda been proud. I was even to cute looking lady nurse that came to do my blood work, yayaya

Insurance man called me up a week later and said "Damn boy!!" i dont no how you do it for a cat your age. Docs can't beleive you are the age you are and everything working like a youth. Hey all i did was tell my insurance man " I keep tellin up to meet me at the gym some time to break a sweat. it does the body good." We both laughed.

Furthermore, that lamb curry vindaloo and chick peas with black rice is the best with a glass of wine on a friday after work.

hehehehehe.
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