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if AAS do not burn fat...

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then why are primo, winny and var used during a cutting cycle? i dont see any reason to spend money on expensive AAS if you are on a calorie restricted diet. the only reason i would see to use them is to harden up for those who compete. but for the recreational bber? wouldnt test, deca, eq or fina be a better option since they are cheaper?
 
The first 3 drugs are commonly thought of as cutting drugs because they cause less water retention...but with the advent of aromatose inhibitors I think it makes them alot less appealing, even for those who are "cutting"...(simply because of price and availability)
 
hey term i wan t those tits on my face that are in your pic who they belong too?
 
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ALL juice will help you keep your mass while on a resricted calorie diet as when training for a competition. some hold more waters than others so like the terminator said, expensive gear like primo and sometimes winny, might be out of the question when on a budget. thats where arimidex...etc comes into play.
 
Fina burns fat, in my opinion. It's happened to me twice. And I've heard several huge vets say that over a gram of test will burn fat.
 
This is a post from www.muscletalk.co.uk where this subject was discussed with a medical report.

You may find it interesting

Steroids are generally classified as those used for bulking and those for cutting.

Cutting steroids such as anavar for example are known to give lean hard muscle if used correctly and this is generally put down to the properties of the drug such as minimal water retention and smaller quality gains in combination with a good diet.

This may be the case but it is often stated that no steroids will actually reduce body fat which as the following study shows is a misnomer.



Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord

Oral anabolic steroid treatment, but not parenteral androgen treatment, decreases abdominal fat in obese, older men.

Lovejoy JC, Bray GA, Greeson CS, Klemperer M, Morris J, Partington C, Tulley R.

Pennington Biomedical Research Center, Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70808-4124, USA.

OBJECTIVE: To compare the effects of testosterone enanthate (TE), anabolic steroid (AS) or placebo (PL) on regional fat distribution and health risk factors in obese middle-aged men undergoing weight loss by dietary means.

DESIGN: Randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trial, carried out for 9 months with primary assessments at 3 month intervals. Due to adverse blood lipid changes, the AS group was switched from oral oxandrolone (ASOX) to parenteral nandrolone decaoate (ASND) after the 3 month assessment point.

SUBJECTS: Thirty healthy, obese men, aged 40-60 years, with serum testosterone (T) levels in the low-normal range (2-5 ng/mL).

MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Abdominal fat distribution and thigh muscle volume by CT scan, body composition by dual energy X-ray absorptiometry (DEXA), insulin sensitivity by the Minimal Model method, blood lipids, blood chemistry, blood pressure, thyroid hormones and urological parameters.

RESULTS: After 3 months, there was a significantly greater decrease in subcutaneous (SQ) abdominal fat in the ASOX group compared to the TE and PL groups although body weight changes did not differ by treatment group. There was also a tendency for the ASOX group to exhibit greater losses in visceral fat, and the absolute level of visceral fat in this group was significantly lower at 3 months than in the TE and PL groups.

There was a significant decrease in HDL-C, and increase in LDL-C in the ASOX group, which led to their being switched to the parenteral nandrolone decanoate (ASND) after 3 months.

ASND had opposite effects on visceral fat from ASOX, producing a significant increase from 3 to 9 months while continuing to decrease SQ abdominal fat.

The previously reported effect of T to decrease visceral fat was not observed, in fact, visceral fat in the TE group increased slightly from 3 to 9 months, although SQ fat continued to decrease.


CONCLUSIONS: Oral oxandrolone decreased SQ abdominal fat more than TE or weight loss alone and also tended to produce favorable changes in visceral fat. TE and ASND injections given every 2 weeks had similar effects to weight loss alone on regional body fat. Most of the beneficial effects observed on metabolic and cardiovascular risk factors were due to weight loss per se. These results suggest that SQ and visceral abdominal fat can be independently modulated by androgens and that at least some anabolic steroids are capable of influencing abdominal fat.



TheDoctors notes:

Oxandrolone is Anavar.
Subcutaneous fat is fat under the skin.
Visceral fat is deep abdominal fat.
Potential for adverse lipid profile using anavar.
Would be interesting to know the dosing schedule used.
The title of the study could have been better and is slightly misleading.

Bottom line for reducing body fat, diet and cardio are imperative but it seems that some AS can help in actually reducing fat, in addition to their other properties


Wrongun!
 
slobberknocker said:
Fina burns fat, in my opinion. It's happened to me twice. And I've heard several huge vets say that over a gram of test will burn fat.

Here is another report again posted on same thread at www.muscletalk.co.uk

StJohn LC, Ekeren PA, Crouse JD, Schanbacher BD, Smith SB, lipogenesis in adipose tissue from ovariectomized and intact heifers immunized against estradiol and/or implanted with trenbolone acetate, J Anim Sci 1987 May, 64 (5) : 1428-33

Lipogenesis in adipose tissue from ovariectomized and intact heifers immunized against estradiol and (or) implanted with trenbolone acetate.

St John LC, Ekeren PA, Crouse JD, Schanbacher BD, Smith SB.

Forty-two heifers were allotted randomly to six treatment groups: intact controls, intact heifers implanted with trenbolone acetate, ovariectomized heifers, ovariectomized heifers implanted with trenbolone acetate, intact heifers immunized against estradiol and intact heifers immunized against estradiol and implanted with trenbolone acetate. Blood titers of estradiol-17 beta were increased over 100-fold in heifers immunized against estradiol in Freund's complete adjuvant or saline:squalene/arlacel containing Mycobacterium. Lipogenic enzyme activities and acetate incorporation into fatty acids were increased in subcutaneous adipose tissue obtained at slaughter from heifers receiving immunization or the combination of immunization and trenbolone acetate. The increased lipogenic capacity was not reflected in either cell diameter or cells per gram adipose tissue. Ovariectomy in combination with trenbolone acetate caused the lowest activities for all enzymes measured. This treatments also caused the greatest decrease in cell diameter, which resulted in the largest number of cells per gram of adipose tissue. Trenbolone acetate alone had no detectable effect on lipogenesis in the intact heifer, but the combination of ovariectomy and trenbolone acetate caused substantial decreases in enzyme activities, in most cases a significant decrease as compared with ovariectomized heifers. The data suggest that trenbolone acetate is able to depress lipogenesis only when not competing with the effects of circulating estradiol.

Wrongun!
 
thanks for posting those reports bro. im at work right now so i cant read them entirely yet.

correct me if im wrong but excess water is caused with with high carbs and sodium right? on a low carb diet, test should not give much, if any, bloating...?
 
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