I need more than just steroids because of my lowsy genetics

[daveyboy2345]

Being built very tall(6-6) 193 lbs with 6.5" wrists narrow shoulders, long torso and legs albeit with mediocre BF 14-15%.

I believe I need more muscle cells first before I continue on with AS, cause even test+dbol didn't do much for me after all was said and done. But i ate enough, cause I sent my BF to 19%.

I am lost and confused on what to do. Growth hormone+insulin for more cells or what?

 

[Tatyana]

AAS is not going to do anything if you are not training in a way that is going to stimulate your muscles.

You may have a different ratio of fast to slow twitch, more of one or the other, and some training is just not going to cut it.



What has your training been like?


Also, if you are honest with yourself, what has your diet been like?

 

[GUARDIAN]

it is very discouraging sometimes being tall and a bb. i am not nearly as tall as you (6'2") but it took forever for my legs and arms and such to fill out. It was a very slow and long process. U just have to hang in there and attack your training and diet.

 

[Mavafanculo]

1) if you trained properly, ate alot and were taking a high enough dose of test/d-bol and all you did was get fat, then:

a) your diet sucked, or
b) your gear sucked

did you "feel" your gear? you know, bigger pumps, increased libido, increased vasculature, better recovery, etc

what was your diet like?


as to more muscle cells (hyperplasia vs hypertrophy):

a) take creatine before during and after training - some studies show it increases sattelite cell activity. those SC's "become" new muscle cells. a sort of hyperplasia

b) do stretch position excercizes with static holds or x-reps/burns at the strech position. there is some indication of hyperplasia in animal studies using this technique.

c) it sounds like ur an ectomorph from your brief description ie prone to overtraining - did your newly gained fat concentrate itself around your abdomen? could be an indication of cortisol excess from over-training. if yes, you would likely do better with less rather than more training.

also, if you are in fact an ectomorph, your muscle fiber concentration is likely type II biased (slow twitch) - which means you would do better with higher rep slow continuous tension work rather than low rep explosive movements.

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[BigBastard]

I would say insulin, igf and mgf!

 

[Tatyana]

Being built very tall(6-6) 193 lbs with 6.5" wrists narrow shoulders, long torso and legs albeit with mediocre BF 14-15%.

I believe I need more muscle cells first before I continue on with AS, cause even test+dbol didn't do much for me after all was said and done. But i ate enough, cause I sent my BF to 19%.

I am lost and confused on what to do. Growth hormone+insulin for more cells or what?

You don't get more muscle cells, you are more or less born with a set number and type of muscle cell (slow and fast twitch).

There are muscle stem cells, there are actually stem cells for most tissues, but they don't really contribute much to new tissue.

You can also slightly alter your type of muscle fiber with training.

Slow twich fibers are mostly stimulated lifting with 58-65% intensity, so light training for more than 90 sec (this is the muscle long distance runners have more of), rep range 12-20

Fast twitch (type 2A) is mostly stimulated at 70-85% intensity, so moderate training for 30-90 sec, rep range 6-12

Fast twitch (type 2B) is mostly stimulated at 85-100 % intensity, so heavy training no more than 25 sec, rep range 6-12

'ectomorphs', the tall and thin ones often have more slow twitch, so if you are always training heavy, you are not stimulating the muscle type you have the most of.

Fast twitch does have the greater capacity for hypertrophy, or getting BIGGER muscle cells, which is really all you can do with muscle, make it bigger or smaller, you don't get more muscle cells.

 

[str8nubin]

I would say insulin, igf and mgf!

lies

 

[Tatyana]

lies

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, so many red blobs.

I wonder why?

Must be all the great advice he gives.

 

[splperformance]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, so many red blobs.

I wonder why?

Must be all the great advice he gives.

+1 must be bombed alot for being an AAS genius or something like that...

but to the main topic, by the sounds of it, you say your BF went to 19%...i'm assuming that's up from a lower number??? if that is the case, you may have eaten alot, which is a necessity of growing whether on aas or not, but if you don't eat clean, you're wasting your time and money...like i've always said and everyone else will point out, gear is an AID to muscle building and peaking past natural growth plateaus...it's not some miracle drug and can't ever be used as one...if i were you, i would train like a bastard in the gym and check out the diet forum on here...eat like an elephant but make sure it's a clean and healthy diet and over time, you will eventually grow...maybe not alot, but you will grow naturally if all is done right!!!

 

[daveyboy2345]

when I gain BF it goes mainly around my waist and chest. I never workout more than 3x's a week because I burnout quickly.

I can bench 185 for sets of 6-7 reps, squat 225 for sets of 10-15. 10 years (ago age 19) I couldn't even budge 100lbs off the uprights on bench squat 95lbs for few reps.

If I could just get to 230 lbs with 10% Bf I would be very happy.

Maybe i'll try higher reps from now on, sets of 8-15 for a month and see how that goes. I usually try for more weight from 4-8 rep training.