I need more than just steroids because of my lowsy genetics

[eddymerckx]

I am an ectomorph, too. It took 10 years of serious ass busting to go from 185 to 250. And I was natural. How long have you been seriously training?

with my genetics, if i did not train or do cardio, i would go from 185 to 250 in a year....

 

[the_alcatraz]

with my genetics, if i did not train or do cardio, i would go from 185 to 250 in a year....

lol....good bro encouragement material

 

[lartinos]

Obviously diet is going to be the cornerstone of everything, but I'd give tren a shot bro.

 

[dabuffguy]

Being built very tall(6-6) 193 lbs with 6.5" wrists narrow shoulders, long torso and legs albeit with mediocre BF 14-15%.

I believe I need more muscle cells first before I continue on with AS, cause even test+dbol didn't do much for me after all was said and done. But i ate enough, cause I sent my BF to 19%.

I am lost and confused on what to do. Growth hormone+insulin for more cells or what?

It could be worse.

I have a cousin, 26 years old, 6'5 and 175, has been lifting for 6 months straight and has managed to gain 5 lbs since then.

One of the reasons you could have gained a lot of fat could be too much estrogen.

Just keep eating and eating. Eat complex carbs, not simple ones, high protein, regular amounts fat.

I'm 6'2" like 8and20, and my legs are not like his. They are still skinny, but making improvement slowly. Just keep your head up and stay after it.

 

[Mavafanculo]

You don't get more muscle cells, you are more or less born with a set number and type of muscle cell (slow and fast twitch).
........... which is really all you can do with muscle, make it bigger or smaller, you don't get more muscle cells.

Tat - some recent writings have indicated hyperplasia (ie adding more muscle cells) MAY play more of a role in size gains then previously thought. Its a fact in animal skeletal muscles, its still controversial in humans.



I- Stretch position Overload

1) here the author (john lawson) references "animal studies". I know one of the studies he's talking about but cant find it - it showed something like a 300% size incvrease over the control in 30 days by hanging a weight on a stretched position muscle - similar to a strech position static hold.

JL: Well, hyperplasia is still a controversial topic, but animal-based research has shown that it occurred as a result of stretch overload. What’s interesting is that a lot of the biggest bodybuilders use what we call X Reps to get stretch overload. For example, Tom Platz, who had some of the freakiest legs ever, did a lot of partials in the stretch position of specific quad exercises. One of his favorite spots was near the bottom of a hack squat, pulsing at the end of a set of full-range reps till he couldn’t stand the burn. Could that stretch overload have caused fiber splitting in his quads, and could it explain why he got such mind-numbing development? It could be partly responsible. The same goes for Arnold Schwarzenegger and those heavy partial flyes he used to do for his chest. By only moving through the bottom of the stroke, he created stretch overload—slightly exaggerated X Reps on a stretch-position exercise.

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cach...position+hyperplasia&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us


2) here's charles polliquin on the subject:
Interestingly enough, newer evidence from lab research indicates that exercises that overload the stretch position that contribute to hyperplasia, more than hypertrophy

http://www.charlespoliquin.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=884&Itemid=10029


3) in humans:

Scientists by the name Tesch and Larsson, in 1982 did a fine needle biopsy comparison of 3 groups of athletes: competitive bodybuilders, powerlifters, untrained individuals. Interesting enough the muscle fibers were found smaller in the competitive bodybuilders than in powerlifters and the same size as the untrained. The study was confirmed again when redone in 1986. If hyperplasia is not possible, then how can large bodybuilders have the same muscle fiber diameter as untrained individuals?

Another interesting study done by the American College of Sports Medicine’s Medicine and Science in Sport and Exercise found it in powerlifters who use steroids.

http://www.bodybuildingweb.net/blog/does-hyperplasia-cause-growth-in-human-skeletal-muscles/


4) If I recall DC training author (Doggcrapp lol?) also subscribes to the stretch overload/hyperplasia theory and incorportaes applicable excercizes in his reccomended routines



II. Sattelite Cell activity and Creatine:

By Rea

Creatine And Muscle Hyperplasia

How many times have you heard some gym supplement expert say that the weight gained from creatine is just water? Well, researchers wrote an interesting paper concerning creatine called: Dangott, B. Schulz, E. Mozdziak, P.E. "Dietary Creatine Monohydrate supplementation increases satellite cell mitotic activity during compensatory hypertrophy" in International Journal of Sports Medicine 21:13-16,2000.

Satellite-cells are the "stem cells" of skeletal muscle which the body utilizes to produce or add new cells and fibers to existing cells. This means satellite-cells are used to:

Repair damaged muscle fibers from training
To add cells to existing fibers to make them larger
To form new muscle fibers through an action called muscle fiber hyperplasia.
These researchers cut off the soleus and gastrocnemius (calve) muscle on a bunch of rats, then split them into two groups.

One group received a creatine/glucose/water mixture and the other did not. Then they exercised the poor rodents in a manner that the plantaris leg muscles had to compensate for the missing calve muscles.

In both groups, the plantaris showed significant hypertrophy (growth). But the creatine/dextrose supplemental group showed much higher satellite-cell activity. In simple terms, the creatine appears to have increased hyperplasia and total muscle cell numbers.

2) There are a few studies on this, if you search on creatine and sattelite cells.


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I look at it his way, both the stretch position excercizes and added creatine are low cost/risk high potential benefit -- so might as well !

and just from personal experiemce, I make some of my best gains using x-reps (partials/burns) at the stretch position by whatever the mechanism is.

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[JLowe02]

if test + dbol didnt do anything for you, and you know for a 100% fact that you ate and trained right, then not only do have crappy genetics, but you also have bunk gear. Im not gonna discuss your genetics because i dont know you personally, but it sounds like bunk gear for sure. I've seen absolutely horrible genetics grow from test dbol, and they ate like shit and half ass trained. Its nearly impossible not to grow with that cycle...

 

[Tatyana]

Mava,

I wouldn't be surprised, as they also found stem cells in the brain, so we could grow more brain.

The issue with the brain is that where the stem cells are/grow (this central cavity in the brain, forget the name), most of them die before reaching the area that they are needed.

Muscle may face a similar problem as there is a lot of fascia around each myofibril bundle.

 

[airsmith2k]

Dude I am in the same boat as you were.....I am 6'6 and when I first started lifting I was 190 to 195......I went natural for about three years and Got to about 210....I just made sure I ate good foods and ate as much as I could during the day...and stay hydrated..... just make sure u stay on a strict work out plan...one thing that helped me also was cutting the cardio down...I am a pretty active guy..so that was hard but that helped much...I also took weight gain shakes....This was just my ride.now I am about 225 but people say I look more..If u have any questions just let me know and I help u the best I can....I know how hard it can be for us tall dudes....6'2= not tall...6'6 weight lifting is a whole new world...hence all the comp body builders are short....but chicks dig the tall dark and handsome guys..?

im 6'4 and i was like 180 and it is soo damn hard for us guys to build a great body but yes the chics to luv tall jacked guys

 

[daveyboy2345]

The gear was/is real 20cc satchets, sex drive was rediculous for weeks on end. Paper dbol from redicat feel it workin in 3 days.

Feels like by body recognizes the higher test levels and negates them soon after I start though, like my body says nope you ain't foolin me...and compensates some how.

 

[splperformance]

after reading through your posts here, one thing that worries me is the fact that you get burnt out too quickly hence only working out 3x per week...if you only workout 3x per week while on juice, there is a very good chance you're gonna gain a fuck load of water weight, ie. bloating and BF% going up...if i were you and being that your stuck on doing juice again and again, try splitting up your workouts to 2x per day because you need to blast the shit out of your muscles in order to see the proper gains/benefits from gear and you're definitely not doing that on 3 tiny workouts per week!!!