I got into a fight...

[tbuz67]

...once again. 23rd street fight I've been in. it sucked. The guy swings at me with a right cross, i dodge to the left of it, counter with 3 punches to his face. He goes to the ground, but not before he grabs onto my shirt on his way down, pulling me on top of him. He tried to flip me off of him, but i keep my base and elbow him in the head 3 times, opening 3 nasty cuts on his head. I jump up, hoping its over while standing above him, ready to counter if he tries anything. He tries to spring up at me, but I roundhouse kick him as he does, sending him back to the ground. its over. I feel like shit because I try for 25 minutes to get out of this fight, but the guy wouldn';t quit. More on this later.

 

[karde]

if you tried for 25 mins to get out of the fight, why hadn't you just left?

There are lots of reasons to avoid a street fight when possible, blood contamination is one, and like you said....cuts were opened.

Also, why are you throwing closed fist punches? Again you risk exchanging blood, since you can easily cut your knuckles, or even break the bones in your hand.


But good that you didn't stay on top of him for a ground and pound, since you never know when a buddy of his is gonna kick you in the face.

 

[tbuz67]

The fight happened in the middle of nowhere, and i couldn't just start walking. There was no chance of anyone jumping in. It happened right on gravel, and my elbows and knees are still scabbed and bruised. The closed fist punches came from my muay thai kickboxing training, they just came without thinking, just reacting. I'm 36 and getting too old for this stuff, and after all these years, and numerous battles, not to mention broken nose three times, chipped teeth, numerous scars and about 22 stitches in my face altogether, I'm really ready to drop my interest in the martial arts. It feels like crap when you get your face pounded for no good reason, but feels pretty crappy when you do it to someone else, too. Sure, there are some good reasons sometimes to have to do it, but for most people, the situation will never come up to actually physically kick someone's ass. Has anyone else ever had "butt-kicker's remorse"?

 

[wtlftr]

a round house. If you had time for it, you had time to leave.

 

[Subzeero]

you all sound like ma dad. The guy kicked ass. props to you. next time do try to get away from it though.

 

[Spanky11]

...once again. 23rd street fight I've been in. it sucked. The guy swings at me with a right cross, i dodge to the left of it, counter with 3 punches to his face. He goes to the ground, but not before he grabs onto my shirt on his way down, pulling me on top of him. He tried to flip me off of him, but i keep my base and elbow him in the head 3 times, opening 3 nasty cuts on his head. I jump up, hoping its over while standing above him, ready to counter if he tries anything. He tries to spring up at me, but I roundhouse kick him as he does, sending him back to the ground. its over. I feel like shit because I try for 25 minutes to get out of this fight, but the guy wouldn';t quit. More on this later.

great story - and good that you reacted so fast.

But, I have a few questions -

1. why did this even start?
2. as alcohol involved?

Another thing, like you mentioned that you are 36, isn't it a bit much that you are still fighting in the street? If it were a mugging situation, or something similiar, I understand, but Jesus...

 

[Demonix]

There are lots of reasons to avoid a street fight when possible, blood contamination is one, and like you said....cuts were opened.

Also, why are you throwing closed fist punches? Again you risk exchanging blood, since you can easily cut your knuckles, or even break the bones in your hand.

Good point. You might as well had sex with the guy with the amount of contamination involved.

 

[illusionofsize]

for most people, the situation will never come up to actually physically kick someone's ass. Has anyone else ever had "butt-kicker's remorse"?

One of my training partners from Kickboxing gave it up becasue he "felt bad" hitting an opponent in the ring. It just wasn't his nature. Too bad since he had a lot of talent.

Note: why did you jump up.? Just choke him out and let him sleep. No blood, no bruises, No real damage and you walk away at leisure.

 

[karde]

One of my training partners from Kickboxing gave it up becasue he "felt bad" hitting an opponent in the ring. It just wasn't his nature. Too bad since he had a lot of talent.

Note: why did you jump up.? Just choke him out and let him sleep. No blood, no bruises, No real damage and you walk away at leisure.

If you are sure you are alone, then a choke would work nicely. Just make sure you don't get too excited and hold the choke for too long, then he will do more than just sleep.

 

[XBiker]

The fight happened in the middle of nowhere, and i couldn't just start walking. There was no chance of anyone jumping in. It happened right on gravel, and my elbows and knees are still scabbed and bruised. The closed fist punches came from my muay thai kickboxing training, they just came without thinking, just reacting. I'm 36 and getting too old for this stuff, and after all these years, and numerous battles, not to mention broken nose three times, chipped teeth, numerous scars and about 22 stitches in my face altogether, I'm really ready to drop my interest in the martial arts. It feels like crap when you get your face pounded for no good reason, but feels pretty crappy when you do it to someone else, too. Sure, there are some good reasons sometimes to have to do it, but for most people, the situation will never come up to actually physically kick someone's ass. Has anyone else ever had "butt-kicker's remorse"?

It's never really bothered me, kicking someone's ass that deserved it.

Hurts much less than a broken nose, dotted eye, or busted up hand.

 

[KOArtist]

LOL at buttkickers remorse. I never really thought of the whole blood contamination thing though. Scary shit. I'll be sure not to beat any fools up that I know have fucked too many dirty hos. I guess I'll have to stop beating up homeless drug addicts too, lol j/k

 

[phasar]

hmmm. although i took boxing b4, i've always had problems with fighting. it's like i'm too scared to get hurt; although i love to cause pain.... basically, your regular chicken shit. i have a real knack for offense too. although i've only taken boxing in the past, i can do 360 degree jump kicks with force easy. but i always try to wimp my way out of fights.....

any suggestions on the chicken shit issue?

 

[karde]

LOL at buttkickers remorse. I never really thought of the whole blood contamination thing though. Scary shit. I'll be sure not to beat any fools up that I know have fucked too many dirty hos. I guess I'll have to stop beating up homeless drug addicts too, lol j/k

Yeah, there was a heavy handed bouncer here in town who caught hepatitus from splitting his knuckles on some guys head.

 

[tbuz67]

Yeah, I knew that people would be asking about the naked choke as an alternative. At the time I just wanted to stop the action, and it all lasted only about 10 seconds all together. But the guy was bleeding from the head, probably not a good idea to wrap your bare arms around the very area of his body that was bleeding. Besides, the cops showed up about 15 secs after I helped him off the ground. We didn't even have time to get our stories straight. Fortunately, the told the cops that he fell down, and they dropped the matter. I, on the other hand, was taken in on probation violation for alcohol consumption. I have my sentencing tomorrow As for the naked choke, it was probably for the best that it didn't happen. I didn't need the cops pulling up to the scene with a guy unconscoius on the ground. Something about submission holds, I got into a fight about 4 years ago with a guy that started by bringing his arm back about 3 miles, then throwing his punch. I was all about the groundfighting back then, and went in under his punch and took the guy to the ground. Within moments I had the guy in a guillotine choke while I was on my knees with him on his hands and knees in front of me. I cranked backwards and he quit on the spot. I figure the fight was over because, after all, he gave up. As soon as I let go of him he jumped on me and started the ground and pound. I got out of it, but not without taking some good shots that I felt the next few days. Submissions sometimes aren't what they appear to be in the UFC. I learned that the hard way. Oops, time to go back to work.

 

[KOArtist]

Yeah, there was a heavy handed bouncer here in town who caught hepatitus from splitting his knuckles on some guys head.

Wow that would just suck worse than anything I could imagine. I've worked doors before myself, thank god I didn't have to make any dirty fools bleed on me. They should probably give bouncers rubber gloves or some shit now that I think about it. Maybe show up at work with your handwraps on? lol peace

 

[Tom Treutlein]

That'd be awesome - a bouncer just standing there all menacingly, with a pair of dishwashing gloves on.

"I pity the fool...who ain't got a pair o' deez here oven mits"

 

[karde]

Wow that would just suck worse than anything I could imagine. I've worked doors before myself, thank god I didn't have to make any dirty fools bleed on me. They should probably give bouncers rubber gloves or some shit now that I think about it. Maybe show up at work with your handwraps on? lol peace

These days, I am commonly seeing bouncers who work the floor wearing rubber gloves like a paramedic. You are right, they should all be wearing them, like many other jobs, some amount of protective gear should be used.

 

[deltreefitness]

23 fights? What trailer park do you hang at?

 

[tbuz67]

Lol. Its not a trailor park, but a small town in the midwest. We haven't moved up to knives and guns, yet. Pretty conservative, actually. Several years back, some guy moved back to town after living for years in Minneapolis. It was found out that the guy caught aids while he was away, and he was basically driven out of town! He wrote a pretty nasty letter to the editor of the local newspaper about it. Yup, Hicksville, USA, I guess you can call this place.

 

[nsashbl01]

Tbuz, let it go and stop worring about it. No one got long term injuries from it, or killed. Just be carefull bro. I know assholes that will let their revenge brew for years, then show up and put a bullet in someones head. What is you have a family around ya, and some crazy fuck has a bad day and happens to remember ya? Not worth it. It happened, so forget it and move on.

 

[Spanky11]

Yeah, I knew that people would be asking about the naked choke as an alternative. At the time I just wanted to stop the action, and it all lasted only about 10 seconds all together. But the guy was bleeding from the head, probably not a good idea to wrap your bare arms around the very area of his body that was bleeding. Besides, the cops showed up about 15 secs after I helped him off the ground. We didn't even have time to get our stories straight. Fortunately, the told the cops that he fell down, and they dropped the matter. I, on the other hand, was taken in on probation violation for alcohol consumption. I have my sentencing tomorrow As for the naked choke, it was probably for the best that it didn't happen. I didn't need the cops pulling up to the scene with a guy unconscoius on the ground. Something about submission holds, I got into a fight about 4 years ago with a guy that started by bringing his arm back about 3 miles, then throwing his punch. I was all about the groundfighting back then, and went in under his punch and took the guy to the ground. Within moments I had the guy in a guillotine choke while I was on my knees with him on his hands and knees in front of me. I cranked backwards and he quit on the spot. I figure the fight was over because, after all, he gave up. As soon as I let go of him he jumped on me and started the ground and pound. I got out of it, but not without taking some good shots that I felt the next few days. Submissions sometimes aren't what they appear to be in the UFC. I learned that the hard way. Oops, time to go back to work.

again, you didn't even bother to answer my questions, and took the opportunity to say how to tough you are.

you are an idiot - only trash gets into fights on the street at 36.

grow up.

 

[Billyd1]

I call bs, there is no reason in hell you should be getting into street fights. Grow up. Yeah, you are really trying to stay out of trouble. what a crock.

 

[Billyd1]

Hey spanky, I didn't even see your post before I posted mine, amen brother, he is either full of crap and an internet warrior, or a trouble maker , either way, bs thread.

 

[Billyd1]

Last one,
Ahem,
I got into a fight, in the ring, a sponsored event. Umm, we both hit each other,went to the ground, lot's of people saw it, police were there(for the crowd). At the end, we shook hands and congratulated each other. There was trophy for the winner. The loser vowed to train harder next time. No one was seriously hurt, no assault charges were ever in the picture.

End of story.

Better version of your story I think, cya.

 

[bluetwistedsteel67]

Bro, I find it hard to believe that you spent 25 minutes trying to avoid a fight and were drunk enough to go to jail for an alchohol related probation offense. I think you're probably making all this shit up. Nobody uses a roundhouse in a street fight. I'm surprised you didn't claim to use the "crane teqnique" ala Dainel Laruso. If you aren't full of shit you need to grow up. 23 street fights? We're the same age and although I'm not a martial artist I can kick most peoples ass. Probably about 90%. I have been in a total of 4 real fights in my adult life. 3 were in my early 20's and all 3 I went looking for and the 4th was a drunk guy in Cabo San Lucas that put his hands on my wife.

 

[tbuz67]

First of all, it wasn't a roundhouse in where you jump up, spin around and throw a kick in midair; I'm talking a regular roundhouse muay thai kick. Second, I never said that I've always made a serious attempt to stay out of trouble. I never try to get into it either, but I don't remember claiming to be an angel, either. If you can find it, quote it. And so what if I was drinking? If I don't care, why should you? Until you have any importance in my life, your opinions have no value to me. So I felt bad about the incident a few days ago, so I posted about it on here. That feeling is gone now, but since there have been several responses about it, I keep replying. What am I supposed to do if you don't believe me? Care? This thread is just going to get more and more ugly, but what does it matter? So keep flaming if you want about any self-righteous tangent, but remember, its all just words on a screen to me.

 

[bluetwistedsteel67]

I just think the fact that you included that you had been in 23 fights was silly and something a 20 yr old would do not a 36 yr old. Hey, don't get me wrong, some people deserve to get there ass kicked and the guy in your 23rd street fight probably DID deserve it.

 

[tbuz67]

That was the point, that it was silly. I sat there thinking, "jeez, 23 times? How the hell did it come to that?" It sure wasn't meant to sound arrogant. I could see how someone would interpret it that way, by just seeing the words, without the tone of distain behind it. But most of them happened in my teens and early twenties. I'm certainly not trying to sound invincible by making that statement. I certainly didn't WIN 23 fights. Many of them were pure ass-whoopin's that put me in my place, and some of them I had coming to me. For example, when I was 17, I was so drunk that I hit a guy that was talking to my girlfriend. Turns out, he was talking to someone that was sitting by my girlfriend. I was a senior in HS, and that beating put me out of school for a week. Excessive? probably. Did i deserve it? probably. Some of you will have your opinions about that little tale, but it was 19 years ago. No need to flame. Point is, being at the ripe old age of 36 now, I realize that most people can go through life without getting into ANY fights. But after growing up in the wrong crowd, I got my shit together and am doing well. So for this thing to happen a few weeks ago, its like all too familiar. But like someone said on here, don't worry about it, so I won't, and i'm not. Actually, I was hoping for some discussion with others about any incidents they've experienced, good or bad. YOu know, like how much training did you have at the time it happened, was it usefull, etc. Not a judging of others about why it happened, but the self-defense aspect of it. I figured, this is a martial arts board, there should be some pretty interesting things from others here. Maybe a good idea for a whole new thread.

 

[Spanky11]

Actually, I was hoping for some discussion with others about any incidents they've experienced, good or bad. YOu know, like how much training did you have at the time it happened, was it usefull, etc. Not a judging of others about why it happened, but the self-defense aspect of it. I figured, this is a martial arts board, there should be some pretty interesting things from others here. Maybe a good idea for a whole new thread.

Ok, I have trained in kyokushin karate (full contact) for 12 years - did one year as a full time karate student in Osaka, was a sparring partner for some big name k1 fighters, and now done aikido for 1 year....that said, I don't bother getting into fights on the street - as its not a fair fight for the other guy. If someone in a bar swears at me, or says something to a friend of mine, I don't care. Sure, I could take 99% of the population out with a single hit, but its not worth getting a bullet in the head over.

If there is a sitiuation where a fight could start, or a dark alley, whatever, I walk the other way. Avoiding conflict is always the smartest way to go. I have nothing to prove to anyone.

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

Maybe I'm being a dick, but there have been VERY few situations that I couldn't talk my way out of.

I am capable of doing some serious dammage to someone if I wanted to, but usually I just let them talk their shit and I go about my business because overall I'm a peaceful person and I don't like to hurt people even if maybe they should get their ass kicked, but if you touch me or anyone I care about, then you're fucked.

Most guys that think their tough shit can't fight worth a damn. 99% of what goes on before a fight is all intimidation tactics. If the guy isn't saying much or appears calm, then you should worry.

If I were you I'd maybe just watch how I present myself around others. Very rarely do I get messed with and even rarer still I can't talk my way out of it. Alot of it has to do with how you carry yourself. When I walk around I'm loose and relaxed, but strong at the same time and anyone with half a brain usually registers it as maybe not a good idea to mess with this person.

Guys that appear calm and strong are the ones that are the most confident and don't have to walk around acting like a tough guy and getting into fights.

I don't even like touching people I don't know well because venereal diseases and HIV/AIDS are all around man. That's part of the reason I quit BJJ, because it seemed at least once a week someone would get a cut or bloddy nose and get it on you. Not cool, especially since HIV testing isn't required to participate in full contact training.

Be CAREFULL.

 

[tbuz67]

I'm pretty much the quiet, reserved type. I don't mess with anyone, and am pretty tolerant of many things other people get so easily upset about. With this guy, however, he used to be able to tear me apart easily. We both knew it. But that day, he started saying some negative things to me. I told him to just not even mess with me and settle down. This spurred him on, because he didn't like me talking to him like that. He started threatening to "knock me out", as he put it. I told him that if he did try to mess with me, that I wouldn't back down from him, not anymore. He stopped the car, got out and started to come over to my side. The windows were down, and the car was shut off. I didn't feel like getting cornered in my seat, so I got out, too. That turned into a 25 minute argument, with me trying everything from joking around with him to apologizing to him. It was my car, he had my keys, and I wasn't about to start walking and leave my car with him. You know the rest of the story.

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

Well your supposed friend sounds like a real insecure fruit cake. Maybe he did deserve to get his ass kicked. Might have mentioned that in your earlier posts lol.

I would not associate with him anymore after something like that.

 

[JohnRobHolmes]

tbuz, sounds like your in the ozarks, no?

 

[Spanky11]

I'm pretty much the quiet, reserved type. I don't mess with anyone, and am pretty tolerant of many things other people get so easily upset about. With this guy, however, he used to be able to tear me apart easily. We both knew it. But that day, he started saying some negative things to me. I told him to just not even mess with me and settle down. This spurred him on, because he didn't like me talking to him like that. He started threatening to "knock me out", as he put it. I told him that if he did try to mess with me, that I wouldn't back down from him, not anymore. He stopped the car, got out and started to come over to my side. The windows were down, and the car was shut off. I didn't feel like getting cornered in my seat, so I got out, too. That turned into a 25 minute argument, with me trying everything from joking around with him to apologizing to him. It was my car, he had my keys, and I wasn't about to start walking and leave my car with him. You know the rest of the story.

 

[Billyd1]

Is this the technique you used on that fight you just couldn't get out of?

 

[Ruca]

i am 30 and have not been in a fight in many years. i learned a couple of hard ass lessons early in my life. growing up i was pretty much a smart ass and not worried about shit. my best friend was the exact same way and we had our share of squabbles with other people. we didn't give a shit! long story short....in 1990 my best friend got into a squabble, and i was not there, thank god. he took 2 rounds from a 357 to the chest, and one to the head. R.I.P. bylo 1990...that fucked me up pretty bad. his brother, anthony, another one of my best friends took it pretty hard also. in 1991 anthony got in a fight at a club and took one round from a 22 to the heart. R.I.P. anthony 1991...these incidents have forever changed my life. i have never been in a fight since, and never will be unless it is 100% unavoidable.

 

[AEKDB]

Ummm......I call BS as well. I have never seen a roundhouse in a street fight except in a video game. If this story is true you went looking for the fight and picked a kid that had no chance. The fact that you count and track the fights you have been in is proof that you are probably the aggressor.

 

[tbuz67]

I'd better re-define my words, since people are missing my explanation earlier in this thread. When i referred to "roundhouse", most of you know it simply as a "round kick". No jumping up or spinning around involved (<waste of time & energy). And like i said earlier, believe what you want about the incident or my intentions, it doesn't matter to me either way. I'm not going to put any effort into any arguments. Besides, its been almost 2 months since it happened. I don't give it any more thought. Good to have a huge response to the post, though, positive or negative.

 

[H_T_]

i'm so glad to hear the opposition to facial striking with closed fists, i was a bouncer for over 13 years and never got sued, mostly due to not caving peoples faces in, but relying on locks and chokes, nice to know there are educated people passing on their knowledge here.

 

[Maverick]

your tough

 

[Tom Treutlein]

You're helpful.

 

[Judo Tom]

thats why i like my style.. i can just subdue someone without really hurting them if need be.. just choke them out and walk away..or if need be execute a more damaging technique

but in all honesty i just walk away from any situation.. if im forced to defend myself thats when i do it..

i dont want to fight on the street for self defense.. its ridiculous

glad you werent hurt

 

[PlayaPimp]

thats why i like my style.. i can just subdue someone without really hurting them if need be.. just choke them out and walk away..or if need be execute a more damaging technique

but in all honesty i just walk away from any situation.. if im forced to defend myself thats when i do it..

i dont want to fight on the street for self defense.. its ridiculous

glad you werent hurt

how long can you choke someone before it gets real dangerous?

 

[Judo Tom]

a good choke that fully restricts the blood flow to the brain will knock someone out in 2-3 seconds..

you can continue to hold this for up to 1 min without any chance of brain damage.

there has never been a fatality in any modern martial arts competition due to a choke.

 

[theoak01]

a good choke that fully restricts the blood flow to the brain will knock someone out in 2-3 seconds..

you can continue to hold this for up to 1 min without any chance of brain damage.

there has never been a fatality in any modern martial arts competition due to a choke.

very true but these guys are highly trained so if anyone reading this wants to be a tough guy and think its cool to choke a guy out in a fight DONT,because its real easy to kill someone in a choke especially with adrenaline pumping and next thing ya know 30secs has gone by and buddy is dead and your gonna be Bubba's bitch for 20yrs to life

 

[Judo Tom]

some bouncers in chicago are going to do time for murder...

they held a choke on a guy for 13 mins!!!!! and he died

there is really no point in holding the choke after teh guy is out..
just get out of there

 

[theoak01]

some bouncers in chicago are going to do time for murder...

they held a choke on a guy for 13 mins!!!!! and he died

there is really no point in holding the choke after teh guy is out..
just get out of there

ya I read about that on a doormen forum I goto aswell, four guys on one,I hope the shitheads do life, there was no need at all for that force with four of them

 

[PICK3]

some bouncers in chicago are going to do time for murder...

they held a choke on a guy for 13 mins!!!!! and he died

there is really no point in holding the choke after teh guy is out..
just get out of there

Same thing happened in New Orleans on Christmas Eve.

 

[USMC fighter]

I got a staff infection from a guys tooth and nearly had my finger amputated because of it, so be carefull and dont be afraid of going to the ER if things start to look ugly.

 

[shamrock11]

Ok nobody else said anything, but you keep a number of how many fights you have been in. Sounds to like you kinds wanted to fight. I've been in a lot of fights, but I don't keep count. Also, you said you couldn't walk away, but then you said the police were there in like fifteen sec. after the fight so you couldn't have been that far out. Something doesn't smell right here. I think too much alcohol and ego was involved in this and that is why you feel bad. You knew you didn't have to fight, but you did anyway.

 

[USMC fighter]

Hey pick i thought the death at razoos was mor recent than that

 

[Saintinistic]

The tendons in the knee are way easy to dislodge with a good kick. take out his platform.

no mess, no blood, and you can walk away. also easier to do under pressure than stand up tit for tat.

we all use it, and my mate calls it his "3 second equalizer"

nice. its always about vision, airway or mobility. take out one of these and its time for him to re-assess his life of being an asshole.

 

[Tom Treutlein]

Airway?

 

[Saintinistic]

Airway.. i was referring to the throat.
give yourself a tap on the throat. its fragile. easy to hurt, and easier to drop an opponent by hitting it. too hard an they will die from lack of oxygen, moderate impact crumples them. its hard wired into the brain to panic when the throat gets hit. try it next time. knife edge chop is a fast carrier of doom.

if the odds are against you, dont use strength or pain to deter your opponent. if they are crazed, pain wont affect them, so use vital strikes.