Human grade versus vet grade?

[Guvna]

Guvna, agree on all but the last point. 250mg of test should equal 250mg of test.... but as well all know, some brands work better than others b/c they have better delivery systems. Take andriol vs methyltest.

while i agree with you somewhat, this is not a fair comparison. MT and andriol are not the same drug. Dbol is methylated boldenone, and we all know how different they are.


I also believe that arguing delivery systems is confined to oral methods. I just cant see arguing that 250mgs of test enathate, BA, and oil (human) is any different that 250mgs of test E, BA, and oil (vet). It just doesnt make any sense.



I also think that part (not all) of the reason that some of the vets got better gains of ludwigs, is because they were tried FIRST. I suspect that is pinks were tried first, the gains would have been more similar.

 

[Guvna]

But you do have the time to break up my post and give me some answers to my questions..whatever! What mexican lab did you see? You may have seen some pictures of a lab, but i highly doubt you were inside. Unless of course the mexican public school system has field trips for kids and teachers to visit the QV Headquarters!

when did i say I was inside?

 

[Tux]

I'd give ya K for that Guvna but I can't till I spread it around. I definitely agree that the difference in potency is much more noticeable with oral delivery systems. However, your comparison of boldenone and dbol isn't a good one. It may be "basically" methylated EQ, but it's not the same chemical. Methyltest and andriol are both test, just different delivery systems. I also agree though, that I don't think the delivery systems matter as much with oil-based gear. And water-based, like micronized vs non-micronized, somewhere in the middle. If human-grade oils have NOTHING going for them though, why do people continue to use them? Are they truly that paranoid and that prone to the placebo effect? Eh who knows, but nice response

 

[Guvna]

Methyltest and andriol are both test, just different delivery systems.

in theory it is, but the methylation causes the drug to be nothing like its parent compund. andriol is just test undeconate in oil, but the METHYL part of methyltest changes test into methyltest, which completely changes its characteristics. It IS a DIFFERENT drug altogether.



"you must sread karma before giving it to tux again"

 

[Tux]

Hmm... but methyltest RAISES test levels... just like andriol. No other compound and it's methylated version exert ANY effects in common at the same level that I'm aware of. Granted, methyltest will raise test levels much faster and higher than andriol, but that's really all the either will do. They both raise test levels, and that's it as far as my research can determine. They raise test levels, and nothing else. Dbol gives mad water retention, huge back pumps, aromatizes alot. EQ, the non-methylated "dbol", does not give much water retention at all, very few low-back pumps if any, and yields substantial increases in erythropoeisis, which dbol does not as far as I know. So, methylating MOST compounds changes them a lot, methylating testosterone however, only makes it work faster and stronger, raising test levels higher and faster for aggression and being far worse on the liver. This is an interesting convo Guvna, you're one smart-ass guy... i'm gonna PM you to talk about stuff like this later

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

when did i say I was inside?

you have never seen a mex lab. I have. the one i saw looked like it was making human stuff. Post number 30, this is what you said!


What lab did you see? You made it sound like you were inside. Did you only see a pic? How could you tell they were making human stuff? Please explain..

IM

 

[Guvna]

Hmm... but methyltest RAISES test levels...

since when?


Sebum production and plasma testosterone levels in man after high-dose medroxyprogesterone acetate treatment and androgen administration.

Novak E, Hendrix JW, Chen TT, Seckman CE, Royer GL, Pochi PE.

PIP: In 47 healthy male volunteers, the administration of 100 mg of oral (MPA) medroxyprogesterone acetate daily for 42 consecutive days caused a modest 16.7% decrease in sebum production from a baseline mean of 2.28 mg to a posttreatment mean of 1.90 mg. This represented a considerably smaller decrement than had been reported in the literature. Immediately following the period of MPA administration, the addition of daily oral doses of either 50 mg of fluoxymesterone, methyltestosterone, or calusterone to the 100 mg daily dose of MPA for 42 additional days resulted in the return of sebum production to essentially presuppression values. A statistically significant decrease in serum testosterone levels from a pretreatment mean of 862 ng/100 ml to a posttreatment mean of 251 ng/100 ml, was seen in all groups treated during the first 42 days with 100 mg of MPA daily (P0.05). The addition of 50 mg of fluoxymesterone, methyltestosterone, or calusterone to the 100 mg of MPA for another 42 day period caused a further decrease in serum testosterone levels (P0.001); the fluoxymesterone-MPA combination produced the greatest decrease of serum testosterone levels, from a pretreatment mean value of 932.8 ng/100 ml (Day 1), to a posttreatment mean value of 70.6 ng/100 ml (Day 85). The daily dose of 20 mg of MPA for 42 consecutive days caused less suppression of serum testosterone levels (from 831 ng/100 ml to a mean of 585 ng/100 ml) than 100 mg of MPA from 831 ng/100 ml to a more than that of placebo (pretreatment mean of 886 ng/100 ml to a posttreatment mean of 871 ng/100 ml). Except for changes in hemoglobin, hematocrit, and haptoglobin values, no other medically significant changes were seen in the routine screening chemistries and urine analyses for any of the drug groups. These changes were not unexpected, as they are known to occur with androgen therapy. Of potentially clinical importance was the absence of any effect of antithrombin-3 levels during the study period. No major side effects were reported other than in 1 patient who developed gynecomastia of his right breast on Day 42 of MPA therapy. After his being removed from the study, the gynecomastia disappeared rapidly.

PMID: 6449127 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

 

[Guvna]

How could you tell they were making human stuff?

IM

I am sorry, but for now I am ignoring all of your other questions. Why? Because you are ignoring all my answers. When and where did I EVER say they were making human stuff? And, since we both know I said that the facilities i saw LOOKED like the COULD be producing human stuff, it was BETTER than UG labs that are made in someones HOME or OFFICE. The ONLY referrence to human stuff that I EVER made was how "good" the lab "looked" COMPARED (inferred) to UG stuff. that is ALL. you then start on a tirade about how human is better than vet, etc. etc.



Why do you still think that I believe these vet labs to be making human products? I don't understand.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

I am sorry, but for now I am ignoring all of your other questions. Why? Because you are ignoring all my answers. When and where did I EVER say they were making human stuff? And, since we both know I said that the facilities i saw LOOKED like the COULD be producing human stuff, it was BETTER than UG labs that are made in someones HOME or OFFICE. The ONLY referrence to human stuff that I EVER made was how "good" the lab "looked" COMPARED (inferred) to UG stuff. that is ALL. you then start on a tirade about how human is better than vet, etc. etc.



Why do you still think that I believe these vet labs to be making human products? I don't understand.

READ POST #30, THIS IS YOUR POST! THIS IS A QUOTE FROM YOU..

you have never seen a mex lab. I have. the one i saw looked like it was making human stuff.


NOW, WHAT MEXICAN LAB HAVE YOU SEEN, THAT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS MAKING HUMAN STUFF?

ANSWER THE QUESTION PLEEEZE!

IM..

 

[The Terminator]

READ POST #30, THIS IS YOUR POST! THIS IS A QUOTE FROM YOU..

you have never seen a mex lab. I have. the one i saw looked like it was making human stuff.


NOW, WHAT MEXICAN LAB HAVE YOU SEEN, THAT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS MAKING HUMAN STUFF?

ANSWER THE QUESTION PLEEEZE!

IM..

Maybe he wasnt sure which one of your multiple identities to reply to?
italianmuscle27, or Psychobolan?