Human grade versus vet grade?

[nishnish]

Not completely right, it also has to do with the conditions the drugs are being made, air/filtration process, & powders and their impurites. Most of their powders are coming from china mixed with fillers, and whatever else. Their standards do not have to be high as other companies like your organon, schering, lilly, norma etc. They are more concerened on pumping out quanity rather than quality!

absolutely right. i would never dispute that the quality control standards of pharmaceutical companies who manufacture drugs designed for human consumption are higher than those of companies who make veterinary products in mexico...

however, as an experienced user of both veterinary and human drugs, i am hard pressed to tell the difference, excluding total shit like brovel and the like.

i have just finished up an 8 week cycle of QV deca 300 and winstrol (tabs). at most, i took 1.5ml a week of the deca (and QV claims that this particular batch tested out at 328mg/ml) and 25mg of winstrol a day. i only ran the winny for the first six weeks...

i gained 18 pounds and while reducing my bodyfat by a good 4-5%; on a very strict diet.

i know deca, i know what it feels like. i know what it makes me look like. i know what it does for my joints as well. by all accounts this particular vial worked extremely well. and if it doesn't prove to be 328mg/ml as QV claims, then this supports my viewpoint even more, as it would mean that i took a lower dose and got the same results.

and, if anything, the winstrol, especially at such a low dose would have kept the weight off of me rather than put it on me, especially in conjunction with deca, as it would limit water retention.

believe me bro i would rather have organon or norma if i could get it for the same price; but as long as this stuff keeps working i'm going with it as i can get twice the amount for half the price.

 

[Rob_]

My experiance with Britsh Dragon had been amazing so far. To my knowledge they are one of the best companies out there.

 

[nishnish]

My experiance with Britsh Dragon had been amazing so far. To my knowledge they are one of the best companies out there.

british dragon makes me drool.

 

[big_boy_1]

There is a difference between vet grad and REPUTABLE human grade gear.
By reputable I mean Schering-AG, Organon, this companies have decades in business and their business isnt the anabolic market, so they are very stringent.
Quality in stuff like QV, British-Dragon isnt much better than vet gear, their business is the anabolic market.

I have used both human and vet without problems, so I think stuff quality isnt the real problem FAKES ARE THE PROBLEM.

 

[Tux]

Big Boy, you realize QV IS vet gear, and British Dragon is UG gear right? Obviously you need to do more research if you're trying to say that Vet quality doesn't equal Vet quality, for the same exact brand. And btw, except for a few people saying some products like Andropen are painful, I don't believe I've ever heard a complaint about BD? They may technically be UG but they produce more gear than most US companies ever will, I think they know what they're doing.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

absolutely right. i would never dispute that the quality control standards of pharmaceutical companies who manufacture drugs designed for human consumption are higher than those of companies who make veterinary products in mexico...

however, as an experienced user of both veterinary and human drugs, i am hard pressed to tell the difference, excluding total shit like brovel and the like.

i have just finished up an 8 week cycle of QV deca 300 and winstrol (tabs). at most, i took 1.5ml a week of the deca (and QV claims that this particular batch tested out at 328mg/ml) and 25mg of winstrol a day. i only ran the winny for the first six weeks...

i gained 18 pounds and while reducing my bodyfat by a good 4-5%; on a very strict diet.

i know deca, i know what it feels like. i know what it makes me look like. i know what it does for my joints as well. by all accounts this particular vial worked extremely well. and if it doesn't prove to be 328mg/ml as QV claims, then this supports my viewpoint even more, as it would mean that i took a lower dose and got the same results.

and, if anything, the winstrol, especially at such a low dose would have kept the weight off of me rather than put it on me, especially in conjunction with deca, as it would limit water retention.

believe me bro i would rather have organon or norma if i could get it for the same price; but as long as this stuff keeps working i'm going with it as i can get twice the amount for half the price.

Well Im glad were starting to get along and agree on somethings. Ive used all QV, UG, and human grade and from my experience Ill stick with human grade. I can totally notice a significant difference. I pay a little more for some things, but its well worth it. If you only have access to certain products, well thats a different story. Get what you can get, and if it works for ya, use it up...no hard feelins!

 

[nishnish]

Well Im glad were starting to get along and agree on somethings. Ive used all QV, UG, and human grade and from my experience Ill stick with human grade. I can totally notice a significant difference. I pay a little more for some things, but its well worth it. If you only have access to certain products, well thats a different story. Get what you can get, and if it works for ya, use it up...no hard feelins!

absolutely no hard feelings whatsoever.

 

[Guvna]

You say you have seen a mexican lab, great! Have you seen a human grade lab like schering or organon? How would you know they are producing human grade stuff?

I do not need to see Schering; they are set to international standards. I would trust one of their depots more than the chicken that i buy from the store.

You said so yourself its looks that way. Looking likes it being produced that way, doesnt mean its sanitary.

I dont understand what you mean here. I said VET looks like it. Not human. You were talking about human, are you still talking about human? or vet? Though that is true, looking sterile doesnt mean it is. However, in my orginal post I was ONLY speaking on vet versus UG. NOT human grade. See the pics of Zencall? Pathetic. And I used their test and thought it was great. Being great (in terms of gains) has nothing to do with sterility, either.


Please post some pics or explain the standards set to insure low impurities, and the best possible product. What about the advanced filtration and air sanitation system please explain what you saw with this as well?


I dont have the time nor the energy to do this. If you believe me, fine. If not, fine. Doesnt matter to me one way or the other.

Mexican labs like QV, Denakall, Syd, are not producing human grade gear. I have used that stuff in the past, and wouldnt use it again. Strange how I can feel within a few days a shot of Delatestryl, but when using a mexican brand it takes weeks or if at all.


They absolutely are not. They dont even stand in the same room with human grade stuff. ....But i said nothing about human stuff in my post. I only said it VET was better than most, if not all UG labs. And vet LOOKS like it could be producing human grade. UG LOOKS like it is producing shit in an office with a whatman or a stericup. Which IS usually the case. Also, I have to disagree with your last statement. Yes human grade is superior in terms of sterility, but 250mgs of test is 250mgs of test, no matter how sterile it is (unless you got underdosed stuff, of course)

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[Tux]

Guvna, agree on all but the last point. 250mg of test should equal 250mg of test.... but as well all know, some brands work better than others b/c they have better delivery systems. Take andriol vs methyltest. Both deliver test to the system via ingestion, but methyltest works a HELL of a lot better. Injectables are likely nowhere near this amount of difference, but who's to say that the patents most legit pharm companies have on their hormone products don't include a good delivery system? Explains why Ciba dbol, which was US pharm grade back in the day, worked at 5-10mg/day. Or why Radar and other older guys say the german "Ludwigs" I think worked superbly at 15-20mg/day and they got better gains than today at 50mg/day of thai pinks. All about delivery system. So, pharm companies, legit ones, probably have a better delivery system. Maybe they don't, but that would explain the frequent discrepancies even when the products test out to have very close to the same amount of active ingredient. Just my .02, i'm going to bed now, 5am cardio starts tomorrow

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

123456

I dont have the time nor the energy to do this. If you believe me, fine. If not, fine. Doesnt matter to me one way or the other.



But you do have the time to break up my post and give me some answers to my questions..whatever! What mexican lab did you see? You may have seen some pictures of a lab, but i highly doubt you were inside. Unless of course the mexican public school system has field trips for kids and teachers to visit the QV Headquarters!