How To Con-cocked the PERFECT Cycle....

[Nelson Montana]

...according to message board mentality....

Pick a goal (cutting, bulking, whatever)

Pick 4 steroids. Any 4 steroids. It really doesn't matter. Just make sure you include test and tren otherwise people will yell at you.

Make sure you sound conservative by only using 500 mgs -- of course, that's of each drug.

Let everyone chime in and suggest higher dosages.

Report after 12 weeks on how awesome the results were.

Keep that up for a year and you're an instant guru!

One year later you look the same as when you started.

: Sigh. The sad state of a big portion of the bodybuilding world these days.

 

[AnthonyMarco]

...according to message board mentality....

Pick a goal (cutting, bulking, whatever)

Pick 4 steroids. Any 4 steroids. It really doesn't matter. Just make sure you include test and tren otherwise people will yell at you.

Make sure you sound conservative by only using 500 mgs -- of course, that's of each drug.

Let everyone chime in and suggest higher dosages.

Report after 12 weeks on how awesome the results were.

Keep that up for a year and you're an instant guru!

One year later you look the same as when you started.

: Sigh. The sad state of a big portion of the bodybuilding world these days.

Ha! My favorite part is any 4 as long as tren and test is in there "or people will yell at you" and of course the conservative "500mg/wk each".

You obviously have other ideas, and judging by your pictures it is working.

How about posting a "Nelson Montana's way to bodybuilding success" thread? I would read it.

Also, I would give you karma if I knew how.


Tony.

 

[rustilldown]

It's ok Nelson.
No need to let it stress you out just keep doing what your doing you can only offer so much advice.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Re: How To Concoct the PERFECT Cycle....

Ha! My favorite part is any 4 as long as tren and test is in there "or people will yell at you" and of course the conservative "500mg/wk each".

You obviously have other ideas, and judging by your pictures it is working.

How about posting a "Nelson Montana's way to bodybuilding success" thread? I would read it.

Also, I would give you karma if I knew how.


Tony.

Most people wouldn't like my method, which includes not using any steroids until you've tried everything possible to build as much mass as possible. That means years of training.

All my cycles have been less than 6 weeks in length or less.

I never went over 600 mgs of gear a week.

I took at least 4 months off between cycles. In that pic, that was the first cycle I did in years.

And by the way, I never touched a steroid until I was 42.

 

[zedhed]

Re: How To Concoct the PERFECT Cycle....

I awlays did like your style bro!
Conservative
Sensible
Health Conscious
A complete winner in my book!

 

[AnthonyMarco]

Most people wouldn't like my method, which includes not using any steroids until you've tried everything possible to build as much mass as possible. That means years of training.

All my cycles have been less than 6 weeks in length or less.

I never went over 600 mgs of gear a week.

I took at least 4 months off between cycles. In that pic, that was the first cycle I did in years.

And by the way, I never touched a steroid until I was 42.

Whether they like it or not is of no concern. What matters is it has worked for you. And I personally feel that if people like you (among others here) posted what worked for YOU, and has the pictures to show you have "made it", people might be more willing to do things the right way. Or at least have guidelines based on what has worked for others.

There will always be people looking for "shortcuts" and the "easy" way, but those who are more sensible and/or serious will at least have some good idea of what a "realistic" map looks like.

Then again it might just be a waste of time.


Tony.

 

[NegroPops]

Re: How To Concoct the PERFECT Cycle....

I agree.. Test and Tren has to be in there! lol

 

[Jack steel]

So what is your favorite all time short bulking cycle, Nelson?

 

[RickRock13]

Re: How To Concoct the PERFECT Cycle....

Different strokes for different folks. Nothing wrong with doing short 6 week cycles, one compound, and lower doses if that's what you want to do. You Just can't get mad at the people that want to run a little more. More isn't always better.....but sometimes......it just is.

At the end of the day (no matter what you hear or get recommended) you make your own choice, wipe your own ass, etc...

Through experience you will find out what does and doesn't work for you.

There is definitely nothing cookie cutter "one size fits all" program that works for everyone. Everyone responds to everything differently.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Re: How To Concoct the PERFECT Cycle....

Different strokes for different folks. Nothing wrong with doing short 6 week cycles, one compound, and lower doses if that's what you want to do. You Just can't get mad at the people that want to run a little more. More isn't always better.....but sometimes......it just is.

At the end of the day (no matter what you hear or get recommended) you make your own choice, wipe your own ass, etc...

Through experience you will find out what does and doesn't work for you.

There is definitely nothing cookie cutter "one size fits all" program that works for everyone. Everyone responds to everything differently.

That has nothing to do with that. I'm not mad at anyone. I don't give a rats ass if someone wants to mainline a gram of tren every 10 minutes. I was just showing the absurdity of people designing cycles when there's no rhyme or reason for it other than what they like and what some strangers on a message boards like , and very often it's not the wisest choice in regard to both health and efficacy.

 

[RickRock13]

Re: How To Concoct the PERFECT Cycle....

It has nothing to do with that. I'm not mad at anyone. I don't give a rats ass if someone wants to mainline a gram of tren every 10 minutes. I was just showing the absurdity of people designing cycles when there's no rhyme or reason for it other than what people like, and very often it's not the wisest choice in regard to both health and efficacy.

Agreed, but if health "really" was anyone's primary concern, we wouldn't run AAS at all would we? If you run anything over normal hormone levels you carry risk with it. The higher the dose the higher the risk sure.

Everyone has to decide the,selves with how much risk they are willing to take for a given benefit.

I think cycle designs can get ridiculous at times also when they are put together, but its just a judgement call we all have to make when recommending cycles to people.

Recommendations will change based on the individual. Obviously for a first cycle, it shouldn't take much. A typical first cycle I would recommend would be a 10-12 week test cycle with an oral kickstart at most. Sometimes its just an oral only cycle for 4-6 weeks. If a guy has been cycling a few years and has a lot of size on him, he probably wants run a decent amount of juice with 2-3 compounds. I don't see anything wrong with that if that's what he wants. I will run 3 compounds together myself. I did it for the first time this summer, and plan to do it again this winter.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Re: How To Concoct the PERFECT Cycle....

Agreed, but if health "really" was anyone's primary concern, we wouldn't run AAS at all would we? If you run anything over normal hormone levels you carry risk with it. The higher the dose the higher the risk sure.

Everyone has to decide the,selves with how much risk they are willing to take for a given benefit.

I think cycle designs can get ridiculous at times also when they are put together, but its just a judgement call we all have to make when recommending cycles to people.

Recommendations will change based on the individual. Obviously for a first cycle, it shouldn't take much. A typical first cycle I would recommend would be a 10-12 week test cycle with an oral kickstart at most. Sometimes its just an oral only cycle for 4-6 weeks. If a guy has been cycling a few years and has a lot of size on him, he probably wants run a decent amount of juice with 2-3 compounds. I don't see anything wrong with that if that's what he wants. I will run 3 compounds together myself. I did it for the first time this summer, and plan to do it again this winter.

I don't look at steroid use as an automatic "not healthy" activity. In fact one of the first articles I ever got published back in 1996 was "Steroids For Health."

yes, everyone has to decide for themselves what they think is best, but that doesn't make all choices equally valid. Many choose badly.

I aslo don't see anything wrong with the experienced lifter running a few compounds. But the experienced guy knows what he's going for. Or should. I just think it's silly how many "cutting" and "bulking threads there are when cutting and bulking is about diet, not which combination of drugs work best.

 

[RickRock13]

Re: How To Concoct the PERFECT Cycle....

I don't look at steroid use as an automatic "not healthy" activity. In fact one of the first articles I ever got published back in 1996 was "Steroids For Health."

yes, everyone has to decide for themselves what they think is best, but that doesn't make all choices equally valid. Many choose badly.

I aslo don't see anything wrong with the experienced lifter running a few compounds. But the experienced guy knows what he's going for. Or should. I just think it's silly how many "cutting" and "bulking threads there are when cutting and bulking is about diet, not which combination of drugs work best.

Absolutely agree with you on people confusing bulks or cuts with a specific steroid. It doesn't matter what you run, you can use them for all goals. Some may work better than others for a specific goal, and others may be better if water retention is an issue, or if you are looking for hardness and vascularity. But in the end, your diet and training does the talking

 

[stevesmi]

Re: How To Concoct the PERFECT Cycle....

Or should. I just think it's silly how many "cutting" and "bulking threads there are when cutting and bulking is about diet, not which combination of drugs work best.

this is a good point.

I think if a dude is skinny he will run A, B, and C to 'bulk up' .. in other words he needs steroids to motivate his lazy ass to go to the gym and lift and eat

and if a dude is fat he will also run the identical A, B, and C to 'cut' .. or in his case stop eating hot dogs, pizza, and ice cream everyday and actually do some cardio

part of it could be a placebo effect. let me inject this and pray to the steroid gods to do whatever and just imagining it gives them to motivation to get there

a lot of the youtube guru's think water weight from dbol, test, nans is bulking.. and running a DHT and drying up is cutting. when its just fluid manipulation.. saw one idiot claim tren isn't a good bulker, i guess cause it doesn't aromatize? which is the biggest crock of shit ever.. and newbs actually listen to this guy

 

[UA_Iron]

Re: How To Concoct the PERFECT Cycle....

If you're complaining about these things exist in the present, then how did you avoid having a stroke 8-10 years ago?

Time under the bar with the right amount of drugs and nutrition - it's different for everyone.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Re: How To Concoct the PERFECT Cycle....

If you're complaining about these things exist in the present, then how did you avoid having a stroke 8-10 years ago?

Time under the bar with the right amount of drugs and nutrition - it's different for everyone.

??? Not sure what you're trying to say here.

 

[UA_Iron]

Re: How To Concoct the PERFECT Cycle....

??? Not sure what you're trying to say here.

I'm saying it used to be a lot less conservative, perhaps?

 

[bonacris]

Must young guys want to look like zyzz so there can get some dumb bitch at a festival saying he has a nice body.. They dont think about the future.. thats why they will be running all sorts of stupid cycles

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[stevesmi]

Re: How To Concoct the PERFECT Cycle....

Must young guys want to look like zyzz so there can get some dumb bitch at a festival saying he has a nice body.. They dont think about the future.. thats why they will be running all sorts of stupid cycles

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much like Omar from Scarface... zyzz is fertilizer

 

[RickRock13]

The thing I think is important no matter what you decide, is to always do bloodwork and give yourself enough time off. Even those that blast and cruise need to cruise at a dose not too high to let everything normalize in the body. The higher your blasts, the longer your cruises should be.

Last month a guy I know from the gym dropped dead from a heart attack at 46. He was HUGE and shredded. He was a former AAS source that got busted. From what I know he had been juicing nearly 30 years straight and never cruised. He ran high doses all the time, and it all caught up with him in the end. I'm sure his blood was thick as oil and RBC count was through the roof.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Re: How To Concoct the PERFECT Cycle....

I'm saying it used to be a lot less conservative, perhaps?

Less conservative?

 

[stevesmi]

Re: How To Concoct the PERFECT Cycle....

The thing I think is important no matter what you decide, is to always do bloodwork and give yourself enough time off. Even those that blast and cruise need to cruise at a dose not too high to let everything normalize in the body. The higher your blasts, the longer your cruises should be.

Last month a guy I know from the gym dropped dead from a heart attack at 46. He was HUGE and shredded. He was a former AAS source that got busted. From what I know he had been juicing nearly 30 years straight and never cruised. He ran high doses all the time, and it all caught up with him in the end. I'm sure his blood was thick as oil and RBC count was through the roof.

absolutely. if i run a long cycle and run moderate doses I can feel lipid strain, i know its time to come off and allow my body to catch up

a lot of guys even if they have been in fitness for years and years still have no clue how to listen to the bodies signals or they just ignore them. hey if you are single and no kids its one thing but if you've got a family that is a selfish act.. i know a guy who left behind a 1 year old baby and a gf who can barely afford to make ends meet. now that kid grows up never knowing their dad all because he was on an ego trip at the gym?

 

[UA_Iron]

Re: How To Concoct the PERFECT Cycle....

Less conservative?

This used to be more of a hardcore forum. Now its about pushing supplements.

Got anymore questions?

 

[C0LUMB0]

Re: How To Concoct the PERFECT Cycle....

Nelson , you are goin to hate me when i post up my next cycle.

I apologise in advance

 

[RickRock13]

Re: How To Concoct the PERFECT Cycle....

Nelson , you are goin to hate me when i post up my next cycle.

I apologise in advance

LMAO.....COLUMBO, the abuser!

 

[ultimate100]

Re: How To Concoct the PERFECT Cycle....

It really doesn't matter. Just make sure you include test and tren otherwise people will yell at you.

LOL hahahah !