How quickly do you have to load carbs/protein after lifitng?

[ruggermu]

Swordfish if I understand you right your talking about a shake in your stomach messing up cardio. If so try this. Start about half way into you workout sipping the recovery shake a little at a time. This will get it in your system with out water logging you right before cardio.

 

[PatBateman3]

Swordfish if I understand you right your talking about a shake in your stomach messing up cardio. If so try this. Start about half way into you workout sipping the recovery shake a little at a time. This will get it in your system with out water logging you right before cardio.

Good pt. You wouldn't have to slug the whole thing down at once, you could feed it in the first 10 min or so of the cardio. Again, thanks to all!!

 

[lacoste]

My suggestion would be do cardio first if you are not trying to bulk. The whole point of doing cardio last when bulking is to be on your top game while lifting and treat cardio secondary. But while cutting you are merely trying to maintain what muscle mass you have and loose body fat, so cardio becomes primary and the lifing is to maintain. By doing cardio first you will have plenty of time post workout to suck down the the protein and carbs and most of the nurtrients will go to whatever muscle group you worked that day.

 

[wellbilt]

i have had good results doing cardio after my lifting.i will usually do 10-15 minutes of moderate intensity cardio after finishing my workout then i have my pw shake.
i believe this way gives you the benefits of being able to hit the weights hard so you dont loose much muscle mass while cutting and you deplete glycogen levels before starting cardio which should make the cardio more effective.i will do 30-45 minutes of pretty high intensity cardio on my off days .some days i will not do aNy cardio after my workout and i will have my shake right after my workout either way its never more than 30 minutes after my workout that i have my shake .i have read that the window of opportunity is 45 minutes after heavy training .so i recommend getting the shake in asap
i use 50 grms whey and 40 grams dex when cutting when bulking i will bump the dex to 80 grams

 

[will b huge]

NO NO NO!!!!

YOU MUST workout first, then Cardio......If you did Cardio first, your workout will suck ----if you workout first, you will still force yourself through the cardio......Also, if you drain yourself with an hour of cardio, you will be 10 times more SORE from your workout in the morning!!!!! Your recovery shake needs to be based on you, limit the simple cals to as little as possible, just dont let your system crash-----

 

[cgombos]

Thanks for your reply, but you're missing my question. I am wondering:

Is it necessary to load protein and/or carbs IMMEDIATELY after lifting, or will waiting 1 hr to do so hamper my results?

I read an article about this very subject 2 years ago
a study was done with twin brothers..... same food intake ,same workout
but one brother ingested 40 grams of protein imediatley following workout
and saw much better results than the brother that did not

i have been following that advice ever since as well as trying to do my cardio in the morning instead of after lifting.
when i am able to follow the separate cardio and lifting schedule
i find i retain more muscle while trying to shed bf

 

[PatBateman3]

NO NO NO!!!!

YOU MUST workout first, then Cardio......If you did Cardio first, your workout will suck ----if you workout first, you will still force yourself through the cardio......Also, if you drain yourself with an hour of cardio, you will be 10 times more SORE from your workout in the morning!!!!! Your recovery shake needs to be based on you, limit the simple cals to as little as possible, just dont let your system crash-----

Yeah, for the past few days I tried doing the cardio first and it's just not going to happen. So I'm either going to slug down the Isopure in between Lifting first and then cardio (plus, take a 15min breather) OR I am going to just find time to do cardio in the AM.

 

[krishna]

i have had good results doing cardio after my lifting.i will usually do 10-15 minutes of moderate intensity cardio after finishing my workout then i have my pw shake.
i believe this way gives you the benefits of being able to hit the weights hard so you dont loose much muscle mass while cutting and you deplete glycogen levels before starting cardio which should make the cardio more effective.i will do 30-45 minutes of pretty high intensity cardio on my off days .some days i will not do aNy cardio after my workout and i will have my shake right after my workout either way its never more than 30 minutes after my workout that i have my shake .i have read that the window of opportunity is 45 minutes after heavy training .so i recommend getting the shake in asap
i use 50 grms whey and 40 grams dex when cutting when bulking i will bump the dex to 80 grams

This is what I do. Makes total sense to me, and it works better than the other ways (for me anyway). I've tried every other way, and just kind of fell into this routine on account of getting the best results out of it. Good post wellbilt - you put it in perspective for me.

 

[Deltroit]

Okay few things. My statements here only apply if your doing cardio & weights together(as I believe was the question) & your cutting. You should be eating a slow burning carb meal right before you lift ie: bowl of oatmeal. Normally this would carry us for 2.5-3hrs(BB's should always eat that often) but were factoring in weights and cardio so theoretically this time period will be diminished due to strenuous activity and depletion of glycogen stores. You should be lifting for 45-1hr and then doing cardio for and additional 25-45mins. Either way your still under two hours. Therefore first rule is never do cardio before you lift. Glycogen should be used for putting your full effort into your workout at which point your stores will be depleted and you will be in a prime state to burn fat instead. So to get the maximum fat burning benefit from your workout lift-cardio-immediate shake. Remember you should think of many of these things and +'s and -'s rather than good or bad. There are benefits and drawbacks to all of them. This is the point where personalization comes in and you need to do just enough to keep the fat coming off. If by chance you find the negatives out weigh the positives for you then eat it between. But I would say save that for bulking. Get the fat off as quickly as possible so you can spend more time bulking. My 2 cents...

 

[PatBateman3]

Okay few things. My statements here only apply if your doing cardio & weights together(as I believe was the question) & your cutting. You should be eating a slow burning carb meal right before you lift ie: bowl of oatmeal. Normally this would carry us for 2.5-3hrs(BB's should always eat that often) but were factoring in weights and cardio so theoretically this time period will be diminished due to strenuous activity and depletion of glycogen stores. You should be lifting for 45-1hr and then doing cardio for and additional 25-45mins. Either way your still under two hours. Therefore first rule is never do cardio before you lift. Glycogen should be used for putting your full effort into your workout at which point your stores will be depleted and you will be in a prime state to burn fat instead. So to get the maximum fat burning benefit from your workout lift-cardio-immediate shake. Remember you should think of many of these things and +'s and -'s rather than good or bad. There are benefits and drawbacks to all of them. This is the point where personalization comes in and you need to do just enough to keep the fat coming off. If by chance you find the negatives out weigh the positives for you then eat it between. But I would say save that for bulking. Get the fat off as quickly as possible so you can spend more time bulking. My 2 cents...

Great post man. I'm curious how soon before lifitng you should have the oatmeal type meal?? Also, still have the oatmeal/complex carb before lifting even if you do it in the PM (like you start your lifts at 9pm)???