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how do I drop BF% and not lose LBM???

outlawthe1

outlawthe1

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stats
5'8
183lb ----started about 198lb when started diet and cyc
14-15% bf
current cyc
375 test e 1-15
400 EQ 1-14
30/mg anavar ed 9-17
now on 5th wk of current cyc no change yet
I'm wanting to drop my BF% to about 8-11% and keep my weight at about 190-195lb
maintain or maybe even gain a few lbs in LMB

I've been dieting and working out 5 times awk and have lost weight almost 15lbs but only1-2 % BF....:(

Need advice on diet and workout plan to attain my goals....Plus when do you all think cyc will kick in and do you think this will help me reach my goals...thanks for advice
 
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No gains yet?? You have lost 20lbs, you are not trying to gain. You are trying to maintain your LBM, while dropping BF.

Your gear is just starting to get to its peak. You should be adding muscle now, as long as you are eating enough protien.

Keep doing what you are doing. Its early in your cycle. You will be fine.
 
Stacemranger said:
You can't bulk and cut at the same time. Sorry.
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"bulking" and "cutting" in the typical sense that they are used isn't possible to do together. However, one can add lean mass and drop bf% at the same time. You're just not going to see huge swings in either direction, that's all.
 
well, I'm losing weight but not BF% so thats not good...I was hoping this cyc would help atleast maintain LBM and my diet help lose BF% If you all have any good advise on this karma will be giving
 
Sounds like your diet is not exactly right--

Post your typical diet for a day-- ratio of carbs/protein/fats and the total cals is the key-- You need to eat high protein, low-moderate carbs(wheat bread, oatmeal, etc) and low-moderate fat.

As far as calorie intake.. Basically I take my bodyweight and mult. it by 15---there is where I start when I diet and then slowly lower it to 11X bodyweight..

Cardio varies for everyone-I personally can lose weight without cardio.. I would start out by simply reducing the calories and then when the fat loss slows or stops add some cardio in.. 30 minutes daily 3-5 times weekly

I would also bump the test up to atleast 500mg(for me I need higher doses when dieting, to help preserve the muscle)-- As for the EQ, I really dont like it ...So I would use tren and winny

ex-- my next fat loss cycle will be very similar to this
week 1-15 test e 500-750mg
Week 5-15 tren e 375mg
Week 10-17 winny 50mg daily-- anavar can be used here also...but I think winny will harden you more..

hope this helps...
 
outlawthe1 said:
well, I'm losing weight but not BF% so thats not good...I was hoping this cyc would help atleast maintain LBM and my diet help lose BF% If you all have any good advise on this karma will be giving
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I really dont think the test you took for BF was accurate. You have not lost 20lbs of muscle...
 
well I started about 198lbs and now I'm about 182 lbs=16lbs lost
my BF% was about16-17% and now 14-15%
I did a biomancanic(spelling) and eletronic caliper skindex and both came up with about the same %
I work as a PT so I check myself obssesively
But I knew to my own cutting been trying to bulk for too long
 
LAWNSAVER said:
I really dont think the test you took for BF was accurate. You have not lost 20lbs of muscle...
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I do hope your right...I really don't look that mch smaller and I do seem to be more cut but I don't want to lose anymore scale weight just BF%
 
Well, if you're currently 183 and want to drop 5% BF you're looking at 9lbs of fat, which would bring you down to ~174...but you want to be 190+ @11% so you need to gain at least 16lbs of lean mass while dropping 9lbs of fat. I won't say it can't be done, but that's a tall order. Best bet is to cut, maybe with a CKD diet and a little test /clen to help maintain muscle mass and then clean bulk with a near perfect diet and a well thought out cycle...maybe including winny, test, var, Tbol, fina...not all together, just examples.
 
I would go with some clen and t-3 along with what you are doing, you should see very good results with these two drugs used together.
 
outlawthe1 said:
stats
5'8
183lb ----started about 198lb when started diet and cyc
14-15% bf
current cyc
375 test e 1-15
400 EQ 1-14
30/mg anavar ed 9-17
now on 5th wk of current cyc no change yet
I'm wanting to drop my BF% to about 8-11% and keep my weight at about 190-195lb
maintain or maybe even gain a few lbs in LMB

I've been dieting and working out 5 times awk and have lost weight almost 15lbs but only1-2 % BF....:(

Need advice on diet and workout plan to attain my goals....Plus when do you all think cyc will kick in and do you think this will help me reach my goals...thanks for advice
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LOL, if there was a single answer to that question, we'd all be happy. Ain't that easy, either you're bulking, or cutting. Any steroid can be used to achieve either goal.
 
TraxZBT said:
cut fat and add muscle???? simple.. answer is dbol. :)
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wouldnt say dbol because water weight is an issue. tren may a good AAS to help in your goal but you also gotta cut the fatty foods and eat clean, lots of protein and vegetables like brocolli. and you may actually have to break a sweat and do some cardio fatboy.

(jk, we know you are not fat).
 
Apexx said:
"bulking" and "cutting" in the typical sense that they are used isn't possible to do together. However, one can add lean mass and drop bf% at the same time. You're just not going to see huge swings in either direction, that's all.
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I agree - I am doing this as we speak...Since the beginning of my cutter on Jan 1 I have only lost about 4 pounds, but my waist dropped almost 2 inches while all my muscle measurements stayed the same or went up (legs).

It was not my goal to cut BF and gain LBM, I was just focused on the BF part - but I was so paranoid about losing muscle that I hit my HST like a madman (and I'm paying for it now in my 3rd week of 5's) and ate a lot of protein.

You get out of it what you put into it...

Man I can't wait to start bulking again with 5x5 the 1st week of March...


Bluesman
 
glennds said:
wouldnt say dbol because water weight is an issue. tren may a good AAS to help in your goal but you also gotta cut the fatty foods and eat clean, lots of protein and vegetables like brocolli. and you may actually have to break a sweat and do some cardio fatboy.

(jk, we know you are not fat).
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you'd be surprised.... dbol is pretty damn powerful and controlling the water weight with 1mg/day of arimidex, you can see pretty decent gains on a calorie deficit. I've gained 5 lbs over a 6 week period and my abs have come out. I'm holding some water i'll admit, but I can tell by my body comp that i've gained a decent amount of muscle.
 
I eat a lot of protein... take MASS AMINOS and ULTRA 40. I dropped my bf% and gained a few lbs... takes some time. Your diet must be in check too!
 
Stacemranger said:
You can't bulk and cut at the same time. Sorry.
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WRONG.
Bionic
 
Apexx said:
"bulking" and "cutting" in the typical sense that they are used isn't possible to do together. However, one can add lean mass and drop bf% at the same time. You're just not going to see huge swings in either direction, that's all.
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RIGHT.
Bionic
 
CKD I am telling ya... in one month i have lost 2 inches in my waist.. gained 1/2 in on my arms.... weight went from 200 to 190 and i have added muscle... chest is bigger back is bigger... or you can just listen to the ones doing it wrong..
 
Apexx said:
"bulking" and "cutting" in the typical sense that they are used isn't possible to do together. However, one can add lean mass and drop bf% at the same time. You're just not going to see huge swings in either direction, that's all.
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Agreed. "Bulk" and "Cutting" are undertood as "getting big" and " getting small" which is fkn stupid. Building mass doesn't mean getting fat. And toning doesn't mean losing muscle. I might not be a fkn gear guru, but I know that much about training. Does anyone think Arnold or Haney got "fat" while putting on mass? Hell no. They still had low BF and did cardio. Maybe not 4% BF but low enough to still get down to that level in a couple of weeks. Do cardio, just don't over do it. 30-40/ 3-4x a week. Or 20 min HIIT 3x a week. As long as you don't lift 5lb dumbells you will gain LBM.
 
roidpuple said:
CKD I am telling ya... in one month i have lost 2 inches in my waist.. gained 1/2 in on my arms.... weight went from 200 to 190 and i have added muscle... chest is bigger back is bigger... or you can just listen to the ones doing it wrong..
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I told ya bro! People don't believe it until they try it. Anyway I'm currently dieting for a show and I've gained a significant amount of muscle in my first 6 weeks of the diet(I diet for 16 weeks) and lost a lot of fat while on test, EQ, and D-Bol-Yes D-Bol. I'm not holding very much water if any at all. I'm vascular and pretty hard. The key is not dropping your calories too much and doing cardio for fat burning. Food for thought.
 
Makavelli said:
I told ya bro! People don't believe it until they try it. Anyway I'm currently dieting for a show and I've gained a significant amount of muscle in my first 6 weeks of the diet(I diet for 16 weeks) and lost a lot of fat while on test, EQ, and D-Bol-Yes D-Bol. I'm not holding very much water if any at all. I'm vascular and pretty hard. The key is not dropping your calories too much and doing cardio for fat burning. Food for thought.
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What's the lowest calories you take in so your body doesn't go into starvation mode? High protein diet, keto, or normal?
 
toxicsambo said:
What's the lowest calories you take in so your body doesn't go into starvation mode? High protein diet, keto, or normal?
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I started my diet 6 weeks ago at 3200 calories a day. I just lowered them 2 days ago to 2950. I drop them slowly and only drop them if I need to. I felt my metabolism drop slightly so I added 25 mcgs of T3 and dropped my cals by 250 a day. I'm currently using a high protein, moderate to low carb(depending on the day), and moderate fat. Works the best for me. I also have a high carb day once every 6 days where I'll take in about 750 g of carbs to fill out.
I recommend a keto diet to those that are natural and those whose BF is higher than 10% when they start dieting.
 
thanks all that help I'll be dropin k ..1 more ? my strength has went down alot since started diet do you think my cyc will help bring it up some...thanks
 
outlawthe1 said:
thanks all that help I'll be dropin k ..1 more ? my strength has went down alot since started diet do you think my cyc will help bring it up some...thanks
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yes, but if you're getting easily exhausted and losing strength then you're either not getting enough calories or carbs. You don't want to go in the wrong direction.
 
Makavelli said:
I told ya bro! People don't believe it until they try it. Anyway I'm currently dieting for a show and I've gained a significant amount of muscle in my first 6 weeks of the diet(I diet for 16 weeks) and lost a lot of fat while on test, EQ, and D-Bol-Yes D-Bol. I'm not holding very much water if any at all. I'm vascular and pretty hard. The key is not dropping your calories too much and doing cardio for fat burning. Food for thought.
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you are definitly right about that... but i am a keeper that is for sure...
thanks for your help from before....
 
roidpuple said:
you are definitly right about that... but i am a keeper that is for sure...
thanks for your help from before....
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No problem bro. Sounds like you're doing well on it. Keep at it.
 
you are just looking for the CKD he has a calculater and eveything... you can just type in you lbm and it will give you everything... and he explains the process...
you can also ask Makavelli he is a pro... he has been doing it of and on for about 6 years.... he knows all about it...
 
slat1 said:
I eat a lot of protein... take MASS AMINOS and ULTRA 40. I dropped my bf% and gained a few lbs... takes some time. Your diet must be in check too!
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Just wanted to put in my 2 cents any time my bf was sluggish you have to look at what you are doing . 9 time out of 10 it was always my diet! make sure you are getting enough meals in. when I am dieting I never use meal replacement shakes I always thought that my metabolic rate was faster when I ate all meals the only time I drank a shake was if I got in to a jam time wise. Chicken,Turkey, sweet potatoes, brown rice ,brocolli ,coliflower I almost forgot cream of rice. That is what I eat when I diet thats what works for me every boby's body asimilates food differently but that is what works for me. Get those meals in and keep that cardio up!!!
 
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