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I got arrested. The DEA seized my computers.
I did a 'disk cleanup' and 'defrag' before they took my computers.
They found incriminating E-mails and internet forms. They claim it was in the Temporary Internet Files on my PC.
How can I be sure shit is off my computer.. like this post?
(I'm using hushmail).
 
from what I understand about computers, when you delete somethign it isnt really removed from the hard drive, just kind of put aside, and labeled as free space so that it can be written over. You never know when it does finally get written over and no longer exists on your hard drive. Once more, because its magnetic media, there are still traces of the previous information underneath the new stuff. I hear they can recover data that has been written over as many as 10 times. Ive seen software products that claim to elimate files from you harddrive by writing over the information with junk data a hundred times or so. I believe the software was called Burn It.
 
beginrjuice said:
from what I understand about computers, when you delete somethign it isnt really removed from the hard drive, just kind of put aside, and labeled as free space so that it can be written over. You never know when it does finally get written over and no longer exists on your hard drive. Once more, because its magnetic media, there are still traces of the previous information underneath the new stuff. I hear they can recover data that has been written over as many as 10 times. Ive seen software products that claim to elimate files from you harddrive by writing over the information with junk data a hundred times or so. I believe the software was called Burn It. Who knows by writing this Im probably gonna get on some FBI list, Big Brother is closer then ever...
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You can say that again. Who says we're living in a free country. You can't go to a fuckin pharmacy and buy syringes anymore in my town and that is no shit
 
I use Window Washer, I paid for it. You can also set how many times you want to write over the files.
Can you give us more information on your arrest?
Second, what exactly did they say when they told you they found stuff on your computer, and how exactly did they say it?
Did they say, you are [email protected] becasue the site is on your hard drive, and the user name was also stored?
 
Also, did they say they read your email? I don't think your emails would be listed in your temp. files... I may be wrong though. I thought only the site would be listed, the main URL. Maybe they are just trying to trick you?
 
defrag won't do shit. as for the disk clean up, I guess that might do something, but not much either. You also need to delete cookies that are stored somewhere on your computer, sometimes from more than one folder. And again, all the info will still be on your hard drive, and DEA will be able to recover it.


Be safe, bros
 
BS....

1. I doubt they found anything in your temp folder. If Hushmail was THAT FLAWED, nobody would use it. If stuff stay there, it's something that needs to be fixed.

2. When you "sanitize" your system....delete all files you need to delete. Go to the temp folder and delete everything, tell IE/Netscape to clear the cache memory (it's faster than doing it manually...don't worry, you'll check to be sure later), go to Temp Internet Files and dump everything. Empty the trash and delete the "protected files" if you run Norton.

3. After you dump files, defrag the system (helps some). Then run something that should erradicate the info. Norton has WipeInfo. It should do the job. You could use the program to delete specific files or to clear the free space. Defraging first speeds it up. However, this isn't fast. I have a 20 GB HD, and to do the free space takes over 8 hours. You have to shut down everything or every interrupting disk write will restart the process.

When all is said and done, I don't know what protection you even have. If the man want's to spend the $$$, they will send out your HD to be recovered by an expert who will find most stuff that should be erradicated. It's all a question of seriousness of the charge and expense they want to spend.
 
Harddrives are made up of several layers. When you delete or format something it does not completely erase all layers. So even if you were to format your drive, then lay it on top of a magnet they would still be able to recover some if not most of the data.
 
re-fromat put on windows 98 re-format put on xp or windows 2,000, the different fat structres (filea llcoation table) shold render you okay, or just runa magnet across teh fuckgin thing and break it in half and burn it but thats an extreme
 
http://www.theabsolute.net/sware/clndisk.html

Clean disk security program. It's free. Once installed, check all the boxes except the clean file slack space (business version only) and the program will do the rest. Choose the 7 pass option on the bottom. This is enough where nothing can be recovered. The clean standard free space takes a while so you might not want to run that until you are going to be away from the computer for a while.
firstenrgy
 
They can detect anything even with all this fancy software. Best bet is two have a hot swapable drive. Pull out the one drive and drill repeated and physically destroy the drive. Other than that they can detect anything, trust me.
 
I was arresrted for fraud. The DEA claims I fraudulantly accuired medication from drug stores. 4 months after the arrest my attorney was sent printouts of what was (allagedly) found on computers in my house. The printouts included Email addresses exactly like displayed on my monitor when they were typed. They were from the life of the computer (new and old shit). It made me look like a thug.

Thanks for the information. I think I will throw my hard drive in the neighbors yard.

They found drugs, syringes and an assult weapon in the search. Makes me look like a gun slinging drug dealer. I'm looking at no jail time. First offense.
 
actually, there are hacker programs just for this situation. A friend of mine is giving me a disk to load. When you type a code, everything is erased that only a PROFESSIONAL hacker could find, but if set a password, when the computer turns on, and someone types the wrong password twice, the whole harddrive gets fried! I've seen it works so I know it does!
 
Erasing a HD has nothing to do with software bro. The only way to truly destroy data with 100% success is to phsically destroy the drive.
 
ulter said:
goliath.jr Is exactly right. Even removing the partition and beating it with a hammer will not protect you. If you need to get rid of the information then you need to remove the drive and get dispose of it.
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Formatting it a few times will work too ...

You just need to write "0's" all over the HD.

-sk
 
reformating the disk will get rid of everything and then do a clean install of you operating system.
 
Let me make this clearer. NOTHING will keep the technicians at IBM Labs from removing your disk in a clean room from the drive, removing the layers one at a time, and retreiving any information that was ever put on the drive. NOTHING.
The last time I talked to them it was approx $10,000 an hour with a two hour minimum. But that was two years ago so the price may have changed.
Your local prosecutor probably won't spend that much time and money to do this. But it CAN be done.
 
Temporary Internet Files hold simply a record of the sites visited or the cookies from those sites. If the cookies were used to gain access to your private email accounts or other private things, you have a case against them for intrusion of your privacy. You may want to contact the owner of 2600.com who seemingly loves to fight government intrusion into privacy. Good luck man.
 
If you want complete destruction of any incriminating evidence you must sacrifice everything on the hard drive. There are several tools for this job which you can find if you look hard enough. They'll rewrite over the entire harddrive several times with garbage data and make it unfeasible for such a small investigation to uncover anything. I've had a friend successfully use such tools when under investigation twice. His offenses were not enough to warrant the cost of more advanced investigation. If you're a big time case on the other hand, they would obviously go through much more effort to retrieve the data.
 
ulter is right. The only way to really get rid of the info on your hard drive (and I'm serious) is to melt it. remove your hard disk, put in an iron bucket or something similar. Drop some kerosen (or anything that can bring high temperature) and there you go. As long as you can reach 600 degrees Celsius you're Ok.
 
That's the key....

ulter said:
Let me make this clearer. NOTHING will keep the technicians at IBM Labs from removing your disk in a clean room from the drive, removing the layers one at a time, and retreiving any information that was ever put on the drive. NOTHING.
....Your local prosecutor probably won't spend that much time and money to do this. But it CAN be done.
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That's all it comes down to. A very good sanitation program will eradicate the data so most common efforts won't get it back. However, you gamble that they don't want the info bad enough to spend the $$$ for it.

In your case, it sounds like most of their case is built on what they found in your house. If you did the HD right, they wouldn't bother spending the $$$ since they had enough without it. If they suspected bigger things, they might pay out for it.
 
Wait a second.

First off what you do next time is remove the partition and format. Defrag and Disk Cleanup doesn't do it. Or Clean up temp internet folder. Secondly, in order to recover the data you need to bring the drive to a recovery center. Which costs lots of money. Who knows if they take it that far. Third even if you physically damage the drive, chances of them recovering it and brining it to a recovery center and retrieving data is also good. They can recover drives that have been submerged in water and exposed to prolonged heat and fire. The extent of recover depends on how much damage. If you open the drive and stratching the metal plates would do the trick.
 
What about a really strong magnet near the hard drive... Heard from some computer techs that this would wreak havoc on all the information within it.
 
TraxZBT said:
What about a really strong magnet near the hard drive... Heard from some computer techs that this would wreak havoc on all the information within it.
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It's a lottery. It could work on 20, 50, 70 or even 100% of the HD surface...... burn it. It's the only way.
 
get yourself a propane torch.
remove harddrive from your tower.
proceed to torch till completely melted.
evidence eliminated (unlike the program by a similar name)
 
Damn, all this shit you people are talking about is really making me uneasy about my computer. I have had some incriminating shit stored on it. But I deleted it long time ago. And now you all are telling me it's a bomb, that can explode any moment.. :( Not good, not good.
 
QUESTION

TO ALL,


A good friend of mine who majored in computer science once told me that he fucked up his friends computer/hard drive (as a prank.) by simply attaching a couple of magnets on it (the Hard drive itself inside the comp.) and then turning it on and letting it run. I don know if this was the real reason my friends PC was messed up but he did have a fried hard drive after this incident. Can anyone back this claim?


Ray
 
Fucking bunch of idiots, I feel like I am talking out of my ass. You don't wanna listen to me then fine, but believe me this is one subject I know better than any of you. :rolleyes:

-sk
 
ulter said:
Let me make this clearer. NOTHING will keep the technicians at IBM Labs from removing your disk in a clean room from the drive, removing the layers one at a time, and retreiving any information that was ever put on the drive. NOTHING.
The last time I talked to them it was approx $10,000 an hour with a two hour minimum. But that was two years ago so the price may have changed.
Your local prosecutor probably won't spend that much time and money to do this. But it CAN be done.
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doesn't a low level format totally clean a disk?
 
The Nature Boy said:


doesn't a low level format totally clean a disk?
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NO. It puts pointers to "trick" the computer in thinking as if there is no data from that point on. This is done to make format very fast, otherwise it would take a long time.

-sk
 
I'm convinced! My hard drive is a big loose end. I'll replace it every week or so. Thats cheeper than my attorney, bail and prison. Thanks.
 
goheavygo said:
I'm convinced! My hard drive is a big loose end. I'll replace it every week or so. Thats cheeper than my attorney, bail and prison. Thanks.
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:rolleyes:

What do you propose you will do with all the data? Ohh lemme guess, copy it? Oh and I guess you didn't think that it's possible that incriminating data from your old hd can transfer to your new one if you do just one thing wrong?

-sk
 
trojan

Tell your lawyer that you downloaded a trojan by mistake and a "hacker" downloaded the information on your computer remotely. They could trace IPs and shit through your ISP but that would be near impossible. Might be too late anyway since they found stuff in your house.
 
Re: trojan

Release said:
Tell your lawyer that you downloaded a trojan by mistake and a "hacker" downloaded the information on your computer remotely. They could trace IPs and shit through your ISP but that would be near impossible. Might be too late anyway since they found stuff in your house.
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Too far fetched, and how do you prusume proving a trojan on his computer if they looked and saw it was clean?

-sk
 
Try something real simple.

I have 2 hard drives set up on my system

C: for my system files (windows)

and

D: for storage of personal files (Music, pictures, papers, you know)

All you do is DELETE THE PARTITION of the C: Drive. CREATE A NEW PARTITION and REFORMAT. THat should kill most if not all data. If you have XP its even better because XP will work on a FAT32 AND NTFS file system. So just bounce between the two with every Repartion/Format you do.
 
sk* said:


:rolleyes:

What do you propose you will do with all the data? Ohh lemme guess, copy it? Oh and I guess you didn't think that it's possible that incriminating data from your old hd can transfer to your new one if you do just one thing wrong?

-sk
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so what do you do so that if you take your hd out, the old incriminating info doesn't get transferred onto your new hd?
 
The DEA can do what every they want because they are the law. Just next time use a public computer like the library or a school's computer. How will they track that?
 
Keep it beefy said:


so what do you do so that if you take your hd out, the old incriminating info doesn't get transferred onto your new hd?
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Save all the incriminating data in one sector of your harddrive and if you need to erase it then run norton erase (I think that's the name) or some other program that will erase completely all the date (meaning write all 0's on the harddrive).

-sk
 
swoldier said:
The DEA can do what every they want because they are the law.
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No they can't, everything has its limits. If you erase all traces than they can't do shit ... simple as that.

-sk
 
PGP isn’t secure since they were sold. The windows based version that worked on Windows 2000 (doesn’t work with XP) is hackable. The first time my systems were seized they broke into a few PGP files. They at least said they did and told me what they were about anyway. I am not sure 100% if they were just reading off the temp directory.

I use evidence eliminator and set the swap file to be deleted every time. If the big boys are looking at you and they have your system you are fucked either way. The PC info just gives them more to hold over your head.

I beat the assault with firearm bullshit, but got clipped on some computer misdemeanor charge. Thank God the warrant got thrown out.

Now I just keep a loaded 45 next to the machine. The wife has instructions too. Someone crashes in, point right here, pull trigger 10X. Also, they better yell POLICE real loud or they’ll be a real party!
 
I bought a new DELL after the DEA took all my PC's. It came with a cd that installs all the programs (incase the hard drive fails). The hard drive broke 3 months after I bought it. DELL sent me a replacement hard drive. I physically installed it, inserted the 'install cd' from DELL. In a few minutes it is just like new, (all the Windows programs are loaded). If I don't stick in a floppy with backup data then aren't I safe???
 
When you delete a file (and empty the recycle bin) the actual file doesn’t get deleted.
What actually happens is that the OS removes the reference to the file from the File Allocation Table (FAT). This reference had the details such as where on the disk the file was. So when the Operating System doesn’t see this it marks that area of the disk as “free space”, but the data physically remains on the disk. Even though the data remains on the disk the OS believes it’s not there, thus the file remains on the disk until another file is created over it, and even after that it might be possible to recover data by studying the magnetic fields on the platter surface.
You can use software like PowerQuest "Lost and Found" or OnTrack "EasyRecovery Professional" to retrive the files you deleted, even if you reformatted the partition...


Here's some info about securely deleting your files

Securely Deleting Files

There are several software tools that will “securely” delete your files. Let’s examine them to see how they work. Rather than deleting your file normally you use a secure deletion tool to do the job. What it actually does is it removes the reference to the file (as Windows does). Then the tool inspects the clusters on which the data exists and overwrites them with random data which is determined by complex mathematic algorithms. One “pass” means overwriting the clusters once and will render most commercial recovery tools useless. However even one pass is considered weak as agencies such as the FBI or CIA (who have the money) can probably recover most of the data. 7 passes is what’s considered as “military” grade. As the number of passes increase the chance of actually recovering the file with today’s technology decreases close to an exponential rate. Most tools allow you to delete files using it, and also “wipe” free space – that is over writing clusters that were marked as free space. The more passes you select the longer it takes for the task to complete. Also note that most of the on the shelf tools require strict rules to operate. Basically the data you want to recover has to be “perfectly” there on the disk (even though it’s not referenced). Take that 14KB deleted file mentioned earlier and remember how we assumed it was stored on two clusters. Say that you saved another file, and it was saved on one of those clusters. Suddenly for most on the shelf tools that file can no longer be recovered although law enforcement agencies can still recover parts of the file and inspect it for vital evidence.

Your best chance of recovering a file is when it hasn't been deleted via a secure deletion tool and when you use a recover tool just after the file was deleted normally. The longer you wait the higher the chance that the operating system has placed a new file over the area you want recovered.

Formatting the hard disk simply re-creates the file system, again the old data remains on the disk (but the OS can't see it). Some recover tools can dig into "old" deleted partitions and recover the files that use to be in them.
 
MrMakaveli said:
Just use PGP to encrypt your hard-drive..if they actually take the time to break it, more power to them.
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Hate to bust any bubbles, but I used to work at McAfee/Network Associates.

All PGP products have a government "back door" key that can and will break any commercial PGP product.

Before McAfee bought the product from Philip Zimmermann, he used to put out a source code version that you could compile yourself. In the source code was the section with the Government back door. You could then remove this section and stop the ability of the government to use this key.

Our call center gets a few calls each month from the FBI requesting a key for someones laptop they confiscated.
 
Really....

Mr.Evil said:
Hate to bust any bubbles, but I used to work at McAfee/Network Associates....

....Our call center gets a few calls each month from the FBI requesting a key for someones laptop they confiscated.
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I have PC Crypto. Does it have a backdoor code?

Likewise, do they need a warrant to obtain that backdoor code? Is it a set code (works everywhere) or just works for a set system (I'm presuming each system install has some variable...otherwise the Feds would just need this code once and fax it everywhere)?
 
http://www.heidi.ie/eraser/

it is GNU which means it is free. it overwrites sectors of your hard disk 35 times. it attaches an option to your recycle bin so that when you empty it, you ERASE it instead.

clean out your caches, temp directories, histories, etc. then run this. they will not be able to recover your info.

WHY, because each overwrite makes the data that was once stored in that sector harder to get to. The more times you overwrite something (particularly with patterns that are designed to be "heavier" than the previous data) the harder it is to get to. don't listen to the girls who say to burn it.

The issue is, how deep do you go? there is a functional limit that even the guberment cannot exceed. But that limit is deep. If you are a terrorist, run the eraser twice or three times. You will be safe.
 
By the time the DEA gets around to raiding your house they wont really care what is on your hard drive. New laws give the government the right to monitor all digital traffic, by the time you realize they are coming for you they have already probably gotten enough evidence from say a wiretapp on a phone line or monitoring your traffic through your ISP.

Oh btw if your using windows, your fucked regardless, use linux :p
 
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Baby Gorilla said:


I have PC Crypto. Does it have a backdoor code?

Likewise, do they need a warrant to obtain that backdoor code? Is it a set code (works everywhere) or just works for a set system (I'm presuming each system install has some variable...otherwise the Feds would just need this code once and fax it everywhere)?
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Yes. Any commercial encryption product is required to have a back door to allow the government the abililty to monitor the communications if they feel it is necassary, or to break encrypted seized hard drives, messages, etc.

They either need a warrant to give them a wiretap or for the seized equipment. If thats been given, thats good enough to warrant a Commerical Company to give up the back door for that product/user.

Each back door key is unique to the installation / user. So one key doesnt fit all fortunately.
 
There is an evidence eliminator program... it will wipe out the clear parts of your HD by writing and writing over it with 0's and 1's, until any old impressions are unreadable...

Although, if you have cookies in your windows directory, or HAD cookies there, they could show your e-mail, and then the feds can get a warrant to check that e-mail.

C-ditty
 
the only way to reassure that shit is off your email is to reformat... even if you clear your history and everything, there are often ways to find traces of emails, etc. through the registry.
 
Ulter is right here but unless you are some major criminal they are not goingto spend thousands of dollars to find info if you have erased and overwritten it 12 times or more, they can do it bvut for alot of cases they wont do it for instance time and money!

Just use a program they dont guarantee anything butthey dont hurt! Chances are if you are a big crimninal they can watch your screen anyways and have everything digitally recorded so erasing or encryption is a waste!!
 
bigbench said:
when the computer turns on, and someone types the wrong password twice, the whole harddrive gets fried! I've seen it works so I know it does!
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wow, if i had that, my girlfriend would surely fry my comp unintentionally.
 
reformatting once twice three times will not to shit to keep files from being recovered on your hard drive (by the way I’m a computer consultant and own my own business) you must use some soft of software to clean your hard drive the preferred software package for cleaning your hard drive and encrypting files is PGP (PGP-Wipe to clean up) But if you are very paroinoid you should keep your cookies cleared and your temp Internet files then Run the wipe program after all these things are deleted. To clean up your internet files try something like cyberscrub.com but for doing the actually hard drive wipe use PGP.
 
Personally, if you are SUPER paranoid, I would use FreeBSD or Linux, get some good encryption software that you CAN REVIEW THE SOURCE on (check for the back door crap) and get a good wipe program to use in conjunction with the encryption program. Also, get a good lenth of iron, wrap some cooper coils around it as many times as you can and keep 2 car batteries in parallel next to the end of the wires. Put this electro-magnet near your drive. After doing the above, if the feds come, attach the wires to the car batteries - USE THICK RUBBER GLOVES AND BE cAREFUL you'll prolkly end up killing yourself by electrocuting yourself - so you may noit want to bother

OH, in case you guys didn't pick up on the sarcasm here - there is very little you can do to fully protect yourself. In the event that you are "busted", the cops will probably grab your computer/hard drive before you can "melt" it or drop it in acid or generate a high enough electro-magnetic charge to move all of the magnetic layers to a different (and nonsensical) state.

Consistant with what you know SK?
 
... or you could have explosives surrounding your computer hooked up to a hair trigger switch that you could activate when they kick your door in.
 
DESTROY IT

The only TRUE way to keep the info from them is to DESTROY the hardrive. They can also retrieve bits of info from yuor RAM, believe it or not. Go to TechTV/ screensavers/archives and look it up they did a whole segment on it with a former FBI Investigator. Also remember, for them to lie to you in order to extract info from you is a recommended technique. As long as you are not coerced or promised anything. moral of the story. deny,. deny, deny. The burden of proof is ALWAYS on Law Enforcement.
 
STUDY

They did a study where they took numerous HDD used, recycled, refurbished, and adddes some that used everyknown scrubbing technique. They mixed em all up and then ran tests.they were able to retrieve significant amounts of data off of everyone. Anything can be significant. The smallest piece of data can be used to corraborate other evidence. You never know. Best advice is to not break the law.:angel:
 
I don't think

To cause them harm or death is quite right when they are doing their job. Even the thought of it is pretty distasteful, anyone dying over AS. Police officers dying for your right to get big is a bunch of crap. Also, use your head. If you don't think that type of talk will get you targeted by the law you need to think again. Think before you post. Not flaming you, just some advice.
 
Whatever happend to a sledge hammer and a furnace?


Just my 2 cents
 
I meant ISN'T quite right

I would be ashamed to be associated with anyone who would consider taking a father or a husband, son or daughter away form loved ones forever simply because an AS user or dealer was stupid and got caught. I have met coke and hard core drug dealers with more character. Don't drag everyone else which are otherwise normal individuals down to that level on this board. And if you are talking out your A*** then don't bring that kind of attention to the board. It takes the members to a level in which everyone is considered a group of harcore radicals that support violence against law enforcement and radical , criminal views. If you think that doesn't draw attention, you are wrong.
 
i agree with ulter. I graduate in August with a degree in the Information Technology. No matter wether u format your drive or not, they can get any info that was ever written to it. Best bet is open the hard drive up, take some plyers and squeeze the circular disks together. Do this repeatedly and it will destroy the drive and nothing can be recovered. I know this for a fact.
 
I was having problems with my pc and just bought a new hardrive. They can check the dump if they want to read my old info.
---PEACE---Mad Max
 
mmmmm

lets see. New hard drive 99.99$ for 60 gigs plus a 20 dollar mail in rebate.

Lawyer for a case where it is helped by evidence on you hard drive, plus fines if convicted easily into the thousands of dollars.

Logical choice, burn the hard drive forget all the "washer programs", why risk it?
 
Get evidence eliminator, it works wonderfully. I think it cost 150.00 but you can download it from kaza with a key generator.
 
just wondering goheavy,was you ordering large amounts? i just dont see the dea spending the time and money to investigate someone that orders a couple cycles a year for personal use.but i am sure it happens from time to time
 
freakazoid said:
just wondering goheavy,was you ordering large amounts? i just dont see the dea spending the time and money to investigate someone that orders a couple cycles a year for personal use.but i am sure it happens from time to time
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They use little guys to help nail the big guys. For them the law is the law and if you read collins book you will see that some people have gotten insane punishments for insanely small amounts of product. Hell one guy had to cop a plea and plead to avoid LIFE in prison.

As for the hard drive, with the proper equipment they can read stuff off a HD that been overwritten many times. They are cheap now so if in doubt pull it out, smash it up and put it someplace that they would never think of looking.
 
best way to erase a hard drive is a 5lb magnet, unless u reformat about 10 times
 
Great threat!

lmbooksm.jpg

"Robby was 34 years old, married with two children. He ordered some D-bol and Winny from an online source."

"Customs got the local police on board and wired a package for delivery with an AT-4 transmitter (an electronic signaling device used to confirm that a target has opened his package). Pre-raid surveillance was set up, the delivery was made, and Robby signed for the package."

"When Robby opened the package, he saw the little black device. Panicking, he took out the batteries and ran out to his car. He was stopped by the raid team, who took him back to the house and searched it -- seizing everything connected with bodybuilding including an Arnold Schwarzenegger book. They found 19 Sustanon preloads in his garbage."

"In custody, Robby waived his rights, admitted four previous Internet juice orders, and was even pressured into saying that 600 tablets is more than one person could use. [The deputy prosecuting attorney refused to plea bargain the case below a felony level...]"

Read more!
 
bullshit you can tell teh coputer to read othe hardrive 1 million time s per second and it will burn a whole into the metla disk there is code that does that and melts disks int eh a drive and there is code fro trh hardrive to shit starts smoking
 
Yes I like this idea. I am going to get a portable HD here soon so I can destroy it fast if i have to. I have a barrell outside with a 5gallons of gas near by. I get the slightest hind they are comming I throw my HD in the barrell and dump some gas on it and and use my elec ignitor I took off an old grill to start it up. Flames will shoot 20' in that air and the HD will be compleatly waxed.


oneandthesame said:
get yourself a propane torch.
remove harddrive from your tower.
proceed to torch till completely melted.
evidence eliminated (unlike the program by a similar name)
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Geeez!

I can't believe the amount of mis-information on this board!

O.K. from Canada here's some info:

First off, never mind your hard drive, if your on the internet, CARNIVORE (or similar programs) are what the DEA tracks your email and surfing with often enough. These are at you ISP anyway so they can track your email without your computer hard drive anyway. THAT'S how they got that guys emails!! Never mind the hidden .dat files and history files on your computer and all that other kiddie stuff.

Also as for wiping your hard drive, the only sure way is to get one of the LEO's programs themselves. In Canada the RCMP has a program that totally wipes hard drives. They use it when they dispose of thier OWN computers. A fellow in my office (a non-enforcement govt. department) borrowed the program to erase (really erase) his hard drive before surplusing it. The officer he got it from told him that it definately worked cause the RCMP couldn't even recover data after it was used (that's why they use it themselves). However, it is also a criminal offense to have possession of this program anyway (or so he was told). He had to return the program after use (on an "uncopyable"CD).

Unless your surfing through multiple proxy, the DEA can track your websites anyway (and they do from your ISP anyway) let alone your email. If your surfing www.sellingbaddrugs.com likely they will start monitoring your email after a few visits. Ahhh the wonders of a "free country"! Hello Mr. Orwell!

Want to find out alot of the "real" stuff? Hang around the pot-grower's forums (some are good, some suck). They have ALOT more to loose than guys selling steriods. They are treated much more harshly too by the courts. These guys are indeed on top of things as far as computers go and are quite willing to give out what they do know.

My 2cents.
 
Griz said:
Geeez!

I can't believe the amount of mis-information on this board!

O.K. from Canada here's some info:

First off, never mind your hard drive, if your on the internet, CARNIVORE (or similar programs) are what the DEA tracks your email and surfing with often enough. These are at you ISP anyway so they can track your email without your computer hard drive anyway. THAT'S how they got that guys emails!! Never mind the hidden .dat files and history files on your computer and all that other kiddie stuff.

Also as for wiping your hard drive, the only sure way is to get one of the LEO's programs themselves. In Canada the RCMP has a program that totally wipes hard drives. They use it when they dispose of thier OWN computers. A fellow in my office (a non-enforcement govt. department) borrowed the program to erase (really erase) his hard drive before surplusing it. The officer he got it from told him that it definately worked cause the RCMP couldn't even recover data after it was used (that's why they use it themselves). However, it is also a criminal offense to have possession of this program anyway (or so he was told). He had to return the program after use (on an "uncopyable"CD).

Unless your surfing through multiple proxy, the DEA can track your websites anyway (and they do from your ISP anyway) let alone your email. If your surfing www.sellingbaddrugs.com likely they will start monitoring your email after a few visits. Ahhh the wonders of a "free country"! Hello Mr. Orwell!

Want to find out alot of the "real" stuff? Hang around the pot-grower's forums (some are good, some suck). They have ALOT more to loose than guys selling steriods. They are treated much more harshly too by the courts. These guys are indeed on top of things as far as computers go and are quite willing to give out what they do know.

My 2cents.
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How does this information relate to a situation where someone uses a public computer at a local library, as opposed to a home computer? Also, what about making transactions through a secure elitefitness.com or hushmail.com account? Can the DEA/FEDS still read that? I thought that EF mail was encrypted and not be able to be read while "traveling the internet" to it's destination. Is this security that's advertised with EF mail as true as it's advertised, or is it suspectible to the DEA reading it? This is extremely important, and we need answers. So all of you super-techno computer bros need to help us other bros out, PLEASE!!
 
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ArizonaFeeds said:
To cause them harm or death is quite right when they are doing their job. Even the thought of it is pretty distasteful, anyone dying over AS. Police officers dying for your right to get big is a bunch of crap. Also, use your head. If you don't think that type of talk will get you targeted by the law you need to think again. Think before you post. Not flaming you, just some advice.
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Are you sure your username is ArizonaFeeds? I think it should be ArizonaFEDS!!!!!!!
 
Yup defragmenting ur pc will do absolutely nothing for u.

Defragmenting is used to organize ur hard drive again after u have been using it for a while and now theres little pieces of programs seperated on ur hard drive..
It gets them all together again and makes ur pc run a little faster and better..

Now the best thing i could think about doing in a situation like urs is to get the windows cd and re install it making ur pc blank like when u first bought it..

What also could have happened was that maybe they seen the stuff u wrote and copied it and saved it.. Or they jsut looked for it on ur pc since u didnt reformat ur hard drive and found everything there.......

I wouldnt take any chances with that shyt, i would have opened my pc and yanked the old hard drive out and put a new one in.
Thats the best thing to do i think....
 
OK. Simple solution. Get an OS that works from your CD drive and writes nothing to disk when performing an activity that you don't want people to find out about. They are free. Check out this site:

www.knoppix.org
 
Yep. I have a 50 gallon drum in my back yard with 5 gallon gas can beside it. Shit hits the fan I rip my hard drive out and torch it. I can’t get the drive out fast enough I torch the whole computer.

Incase someone decides to get me by surprise I guess I have to hope drive crypt and bc wipe have helped me out some at least. My whole fucking operating system is encrypted so least I did not make it easy for them.




manny78 said:
ulter is right. The only way to really get rid of the info on your hard drive (and I'm serious) is to melt it. remove your hard disk, put in an iron bucket or something similar. Drop some kerosen (or anything that can bring high temperature) and there you go. As long as you can reach 600 degrees Celsius you're Ok.
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Yep. I get a new raptor 10k rpm HD every other month. :)

me2dammit said:
lets see. New hard drive 99.99$ for 60 gigs plus a 20 dollar mail in rebate.

Lawyer for a case where it is helped by evidence on you hard drive, plus fines if convicted easily into the thousands of dollars.

Logical choice, burn the hard drive forget all the "washer programs", why risk it?
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If its important (real shit situation, and you are pretty sure somethings up)

then fuck all this software and programs, and do the simpliest and most effective way----smash the bitch up, throw it in a metal drum, throw some garbage in there (just for sustaining the fire) add gas, light it up, keep adding more trash, problem solved. (however if you are paranoid this could get quite pricey)
 
From now on, make sure that any computer you use has hotswappable drives as your primary hard drive. You simply have one hard drive that has legit stuff and one hard drive that has all of you legally suspect stuff. If you sense or find out that you are going to be in trouble, pull out the bad hard drive and smash the hell out of it with a sledge hammer and put in the legit hard drive. They can search through your IP but if it isn't on your hard drive, they would have a tough time proving you did something wrong.
 
If were buying stuff over the net, etc., I would do the simplest route....use a public computer at a coffee shop or library, etc.
Like the Canadian said, they don't need your home computer, they can track everything from your ISP. And while hushmail may be safer than MS Outlook, I've read many times that LE can crack that too.
 
f4209211 said:
You can say that again. Who says we're living in a free country. You can't go to a fuckin pharmacy and buy syringes anymore in my town and that is no shit
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no doubt, our freedoms are taken away all the time. all we can do is sit back and watch our rights slilp away...one at a time. they make 1-ad illegal, they take away our firearm freedom :worried: s i am sure many more freedomes will be removed :worried:
 
there is a reason cryptologic facilities keep a small sledge hammer, a crowbar, and a blender/shredder in each "closed area"..

ONLY physical destruction of the the drive will keep prying eyes from seeing what is on it... Trust me...

Our drives are the "pull out" type.. With a little handle attached, for instant removal and destruction.. That is the only way to get rid of data and make it unaccessable..Period..

Anything you write on a drive is somewhat re-readable ubtil the drive is physically destroyed by smashing, burning, or other methods..

all the "washer" programs are good for is from keeping your wife or husband from seeimg what you have viewed..
 
Want to destroy a hard drive then what you need to do is Drill as many holes as you can through it where the drill goes through the layers of disk, i have been told this is a pretty good way to make sure the data cannot be retrived from it.
 
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