How come we dont get caught?

[metalfujimi]

Ok. I have been wondering this for a long time, and I apologize if this is a dumb question. But how does everyone who posts on here about steroids not get caught for posting about illegal activities? cant the feds check our internet and see that we are admitting to illegal drug usage? especially people on here who's real names and indenities are known? I cant imagine that all of these discussions just slip under the radar?

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

You can admit anything you want online, but they cant prove who is using your computer, they would have to PROVE you actually had illegal substances and PROVE that you actually used them, the key word is PROVE and since they can't see who is typing each message it would be very easy for you to say "someone was using my name" or something to that effect. They probably do use US the enduser to go after the suppliers, hence why there is no source talk allowed.

You can walk up to a cop and tell him youre high, but you cant get in trouble unless you actually HAVE drugs on you. Its a fun little american law system we have in which it doesnt make any sense and its really just used for furthering the agenda of big companies and government agendas to line their own pockets.

-Legacy

 

[metalfujimi]

could they not use you're online comments about possessing gear to get a search warrant on your house, then use the actual search for proof?

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

could they not use you're online comments about possessing gear to get a search warrant on your house, then use the actual search for proof?

From what Ive learned from local buddies in law enforcement, the internet is considered hearsay evidence and is not substantiated as enough to warrant any of that. Now if you have money being sent online thats physical proof, message boards are considered "hearsay" and "entertainment" seeing as ANYONE could signup using your name and post things.

-Legacy

 

[metalfujimi]

From what Ive learned from local buddies in law enforcement, the internet is considered hearsay evidence and is not substantiated as enough to warrant any of that. Now if you have money being sent online thats physical proof, message boards are considered "hearsay" and "entertainment" seeing as ANYONE could signup using your name and post things.

-Legacy

true but if they got an ip address the messages were coming from and you can trace years of admitted usage, they know what the truth is. our legal system is weird though, in many good ways

 

[Dial_tone]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[metalfujimi]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

just asking a dumb question, that's all

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

true but if they got an ip address the messages were coming from and you can trace years of admitted usage, they know what the truth is. our legal system is weird though, in many good ways

Do you realize the amount of man power to trace and log ONE user for YEARS to try to get enough actual evidence for them to be able to do nething. They want the big guys high up, not normally the end user, but that doesnt mean I condone any of this stuff, Im just speaking as per the law.

-Legacy

 

[LiftHeavy078]

could they not use you're online comments about possessing gear to get a search warrant on your house, then use the actual search for proof?

It costs money to get a warrant. Everything they will have to do to be able to track/trace you, figure out what you are doing, etc., will cost them a lot of money. They are not going to waste their precious dollars busting someone with 30ml of Test in their house. It's just not worth it. For all they know, the person behind the computer could be lying about everything. They could have never even cycled, or maybe they keep their gear somewhere else.

Everything is about money.

 

[REFORMATA]

I know 3 cops personally that juice moderate to heavily.

And one state trooper.

It IS all about money. Not the "evils" of androgens.

If you're getting rich off this, you will surely pay the price.

 

[nachomscl]

Its a question of motivation. If somebody is motivated to get you then yes your statements can help build probable cause.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Its a question of motivation. If somebody is motivated to get you then yes your statements can help build probable cause.

They would need more physical evidence than internet web postings, they need at least 1 piece of hard physical evidence along with internet postings to even come close to being able to meet the burden's of proof and justify tax dollars to come after you, especially for personal use amounts. Probable cause can not be established due to internet postings alone. If this were the case every guy in an AOL chat room would be arrested as a pedophile lol

-Legacy

 

[nachomscl]

I know. That's why I said your statement can help build probable cause. Not establish it.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

I know. That's why I said your statement can help build probable cause. Not establish it.

I know, Im not getting on yah, just clearing it up in case anyone wasnt sure

-Legacy

 

[nachomscl]

Its all good bro.

 

[joe d]

i just learned recently that when police are in need of evidence to get a warrant they make it up. i had a situation where i pulled up to a dumpster area at a business and removed some used scrap siding that was all piled around the dumpster, there where no signs, no warnings, nothing. an employee was standing right there drinking coffee, smoking and talking with me. he said nothing about not being allowed to take the metal. stupid of me to asume, yes now i see that. so here is what happened. the police came to my house arrested me, the paper they turn into the court to get a warrant said the property was clearly posted, the materials where new and bound ready to be used for construction, and that an employee came out and yelled "hey what are you doing" and i jumped in my truvk and took off.

my wife had to come bail me out. i had to pay a couple grand for a lawyer who did shit to help me. i had to be my own fucking investigator to disprove all of those statements that lead to my charges in the first place. all just to get a stet where i will have to pay again to have removed in a couple more months.
and the best part is. i completely proved with pictures there where no signs at all, i had the video supenad to show that the comnent about the employee was a lie (it magically disapeared even though the police suposidly watched it), and i took pictures of these busted up old materials that where put back where they where found. this was their entire case blown to shit and i could not have any of it heard in court even though it was booked into evidence.

is that just???

i they want you and they are like the people here your screwed.

the police can be evil fucking head hunters whou couldnt give a shit about you, your family, or what is right. im not saying they are all like that but they certainly can be.

 

[djboots]

There should be enough sicko child preditors out there on the web that they dont need to pay attention to a bunch of guys going to the gym and getting big

 

[Nelson Montana]

It's not a dumb question. The short answer is yes, there would be enough to warrant investigation, but "talk" is pretty weak evidence. You can "talk" about killing somebody but if there's no evidence of a crime, it's essentially un-prosecutable.

Also, the police don't investigate crimes. They're more enforcement and protection. The F.B.I does investigation and if they want to do a bust, it's going to be against those who are committing the biggest felony. In other words, would they invest in breaking in the door of some guy who had some gear for personal use that would result in a misdomeanor or would it be more worth their time busting some source that was trafficing and pulling in a few mill a year on which they're paying no taxes? THAT is who has to worry, and yes, it's amazing more of them don't get caught.

But again, it isn't a huge threat. Most steroid busts are for "show." It looks good. And as was witnessed a couple of years back , it can happen. And it will again.

 

[kx250rider]

I'm not taking anything that I don't have a valid prescription for, but I see your point. The answer is, that the Feds are too busy prosecuting people for causing an Act of God (aka global warming) to worry about a bunch of people who just want to take their goals to the limit. I'm sure that if any member here is found out to be a celebrity or sports figure, there would be trouble.

And there's also freedom of speech; at least some of it left. We can still discuss anything except to make public or private threats. When we discuss dosages or Test, or whatever, it's "assumed" that we're just discussing what to ask our doctors

Charles

 

[Ezekiel]

It's not a dumb question. The short answer is yes, there would be enough to warrant investigation, but "talk" is pretty weak evidence. You can "talk" about killing somebody but if there's no evidence of a crime, it's essentially un-prosecutable.

Also, the police don't investigate crimes. They're more enforcement and protection. The F.B.I does investigation and if they want to do a bust, it's going to be against those who are committing the biggest felony. In other words, would they invest in breaking in the door of some guy who had some gear for personal use that would result in a misdomeanor or would it be more worth their time busting some source that was trafficing and pulling in a few mill a year on which they're paying no taxes? THAT is who has to worry, and yes, it's amazing more of them don't get caught.

But again, it isn't a huge threat. Most steroid busts are for "show." It looks good. And as was witnessed a couple of years back , it can happen. And it will again.

+1

Also note; that if you ost something on the internet, the police indeed can use that as probable cause and arrest you. This has been done many times already. If you post on my space or facebook or what have you that you are going to kill ppl at your school, you'll be arrested count on it..

W/ your IP address leading to your house, you'll have to prove it wasn't you on your computer, not them having to prove it was you!

I work for IBM and this kinda shit happens more then you might think!

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

+1

Also note; that if you ost something on the internet, the police indeed can use that as probable cause and arrest you. This has been done many times already. If you post on my space or facebook or what have you that you are going to kill ppl at your school, you'll be arrested count on it..

W/ your IP address leading to your house, you'll have to prove it wasn't you on your computer, not them having to prove it was you!

I work for IBM and this kinda shit happens more then you might think!

Difference is saying that you are going to shoot up your school is taken as a "direct threat on others" and saying "I ran 2 grams of gear once" is not something they can prove unless they can time date and go back in time and catch you actually doing it.

-Legacy

 

[Nelson Montana]

+1

Also note; that if you ost something on the internet, the police indeed can use that as probable cause and arrest you. This has been done many times already. If you post on my space or facebook or what have you that you are going to kill ppl at your school, you'll be arrested count on it..

W/ your IP address leading to your house, you'll have to prove it wasn't you on your computer, not them having to prove it was you!

I work for IBM and this kinda shit happens more then you might think!

Good point. "Plotting" is probable cause. I should have clarified that by "just talking" I meant more in a hypothetical sense -- which is what we all do here anyway.

 

[RADAR]

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DJLegacy2k1 is in no way associated with any medical field. No advice from DJLegacy2k1 should be taken in place of advice from a professional doctor. Any AAS related advice is directed in a hypothetical manner. DJLegacy2k1 does not advocate the use of Illegal Performance Enhancing Drugs.


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[smtimelevi]

bigger fish to fry. lota cops juice.

 

[Nelson Montana]

bigger fish to fry. lota cops juice.

But it's not their decision.

 

[-SD-]

So what about a low level internet based dealer making a couple grand a month selling gear through emails?

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

So what about a low level internet based dealer making a couple grand a month selling gear through emails?

He should run...Emails are EASY for them to obtain from the servers and even those "encrypted" emails, seriously, its the government they can bypass that easily. So if they are on to them they are most likely building a case, if they arent on to him, well then so far so good haha

-Legacy

 

[KenBraggofCarroltonGA]

true but if they got an ip address the messages were coming from and you can trace years of admitted usage, they know what the truth is. our legal system is weird though, in many good ways

99% of us use dhcp protocol which is dynamic ip's. they change everytime you log on to the net.
unless you are at a company or school with private networks then you would have a static ip(same ip no matter what) but then again, you are with in a private network and they will see down to the server.
Your computer does have a "name" when you first load your software. mine is a random alphanumeric. if you load your windows and put billybob's computer, then they may know your billy bob. wow..
like my username. . . totally not real.. . . my city/state in my user name. . . only at one point in my life when I was in school. the city in my user name, I think about 60,000 residents.
now if you sell to a cop online with a promise of hooking him up with 20k in gear. Then the police can track you down no matter what.

 

[-SD-]

He should run...Emails are EASY for them to obtain from the servers and even those "encrypted" emails, seriously, its the government they can bypass that easily. So if they are on to them they are most likely building a case, if they arent on to him, well then so far so good haha

-Legacy

What if email and everything was set up and used only from something like a public library or university computer?

 

[Nelson Montana]

What if email and everything was set up and used only from something like a public library or university computer?

Now we're getting into touchy territory. Sure. And I guess someone dealing can keep all the gear in some sort of storage so even if the feds break into their home, they'll find nothing. I really don't know. This is all speculation.

As for the people here, I always tell everybody who wants to use anabolics, NEVER sell anything to ANYBODY. Not even a friend. Because if he's caught and asked where he got it -- even if it's one pill, he can tell them it was you. And then you're fucked.

The law is funny. Sale makes all the difference.

 

[needtogetaas]

because no one here is doing anything e-legal thats why