How about this for a cycle

[joe d]

Sustanon 250mg 3 times per wk. for 8 wks (750 mg total per wk)

d-bol
Week Dianabol
1 15mg ed
2 25mg ed
3 40mg ed
4 50 mg ed
5 50 mg ed
6 40mg ed
7 25 mg ed
8 15mg ed

milk thistle ed for 10 wk
cycle support ed for 10 wk
nolvadex 10 - 20 mg ed depending on sides for 11 wk
pp test recovery stack for 1 month after cycle ends

will also have adex and letro on hand

this will be my third cycle.
my first was test prop for 6 wk. (what a stupid cluster fuck that was with no pct lol)

my current cycle is:
test prop 150mg eod
winny 50 mg ed
monsterdrol 2 caps ed
with all the anti e's and pct.

stats:
male
30 years old
5'5
my projected weight at the start of cycle is 225 with roghly 20% bf
thats right i said 20% bf this is where it needs to be for me to grow best so no "get your diet in check first" bs you quote whores j/k.
diet, training, and recovery are all good.

my goal is muscle mass
what do you think?

 

[smtimelevi]

dude, 225 at 5'5" . Damn! I would say finish up your current cycle before really getting your heart set on the next. First things first, your never know what may happen in your life. In my opinion thats alot of test for a third cycle. But you should know your body better than I do.

 

[Bigpimpin10]

thats hard on your liver bro..

 

[ALIN]

Sustanon 250mg 3 times per wk. for 8 wks (750 mg total per wk)

d-bol
Week Dianabol
1 15mg ed
2 25mg ed
3 40mg ed
4 50 mg ed
5 50 mg ed
6 40mg ed
7 25 mg ed
8 15mg ed

milk thistle ed for 10 wk
cycle support ed for 10 wk
nolvadex 10 - 20 mg ed depending on sides for 11 wk
pp test recovery stack for 1 month after cycle ends

will also have adex and letro on hand

this will be my third cycle.
my first was test prop for 6 wk. (what a stupid cluster fuck that was with no pct lol)

my current cycle is:
test prop 150mg eod
winny 50 mg ed
monsterdrol 2 caps ed
with all the anti e's and pct.

stats:
male
30 years old
5'5
my projected weight at the start of cycle is 225 with roghly 20% bf
thats right i said 20% bf this is where it needs to be for me to grow best so no "get your diet in check first" bs you quote whores j/k.
diet, training, and recovery are all good.

my goal is muscle mass
what do you think?

i wouldnt run the DBOL for 8wks.
run it the 1st 4 wks of cycle 30-40mg day.

 

[Bigpimpin10]

agreed...the first 4 weeks should be a good jumpstart as well

 

[dabuffguy]

Ther's no reason to run dbol 8 weeks if you're on sust.

There's no reason to stagger up and down your doses. Just do 40mg ED for 4 weeks.

 

[dabuffguy]

And don't use nolvadex for estrogen control. Nolva doesn't reduce estrogen, it only stops it from attaching to etrogen receptors.

Use aromasin with such a high sust and dbol dose.

 

[DJ_UFO]

i wouldnt run the DBOL for 8wks.
run it the 1st 4 wks of cycle 30-40mg day.

That. And I'd say just 30mg ed is enough for dbol.

 

[10001110101]

time for a cut.

 

[Bigpimpin10]

20% bodyfat..bro post up some pics..!! small guy large size..thats what iv e always wanted but im not 5'5 ahah

 

[10001110101]

time for a cut.

run:

test prop @ 100-150mg eod (1-10)
anavar @ 60-80mg ed (4-10)
stepmill 45min eod (start now and don't stop til you see the veins in your abs)


cut cut cut.

you have plenty of mass at 5'5"

 

[Bigpimpin10]

pinning for 10 weeks eod would be hard!! ...well atleast for me..

 

[joe d]

ok how about this

Sustanon 250mg eod for 8 wk.
d-bol 40 mg ed wk 1-4
adex .5 eod wk 1-8
nolvadex 10mg ed wk 1-8
plus the pct already posted

i need to have the nolva because i am gyno prone. i have actually had a mild case of it since my early teens. im running .5 adex now on my current cycle and still got the sensitive nips so i am going to run nolva from day 1.

and fuck cutting im still gaining mass. when i cant get my muscles any bigger i will cut. or once i hit 300lb.
thanks for the helpful replies so far.

 

[dabuffguy]

ok how about this

Sustanon 250mg eod for 8 wk.
d-bol 40 mg ed wk 1-4
adex .5 eod wk 1-8
nolvadex 10mg ed wk 1-8
plus the pct already posted

i need to have the nolva because i am gyno prone. i have actually had a mild case of it since my early teens. im running .5 adex now on my current cycle and still got the sensitive nips so i am going to run nolva from day 1.

and fuck cutting im still gaining mass. when i cant get my muscles any bigger i will cut. or once i hit 300lb.
thanks for the helpful replies so far.

You won't hit 300 lbs @ 5'5" unless you are a hippo.

 

[sweed]

250mgs eod is 875mgs/week averaged out over the 8 weeks. waaay too much.

lol dabuffguy!

 

[dabuffguy]

250mgs eod is 875mgs/week averaged out over the 8 weeks. waaay too much.

lol dabuffguy!

it's not that bad considering his weight and height. I'd only drop it to 250 E3D. I personally don't use over 500mg, because I find it is plenty for me.

 

[joe d]

You won't hit 300 lbs @ 5'5" unless you are a hippo.

i like setting high/impossible goals. i dont know how big i will get until i stop growing but until i do i am not waisting any time cutting.

i may drop the test to 200 eod but not lower. i am on 150 eod now and think i might be able to go higher and get more out of it. if not i will drop it down and know that i dont need that much.

 

[Bigpimpin10]

obviously youll get more out of it bro..its a higher dose...go with what dabuffguy said.

 

[HAYEZ]

pinning for 10 weeks eod would be hard!! ...well atleast for me..

pinning ed is actually more motivating i feel!

 

[HAYEZ]

Sustanon 250mg 3 times per wk. for 8 wks (

i would do this
750 sust 1-8
dbol 30-50mg ed 1-6
adex .25 eod if bloat arises..adjust dose from there if needed

hcg 500iu ed last 10 days before pct
nolva
60 mg 7 days
40 mg 14 days
pp test recovery stack
milk thistle ed for 10 wk
cycle support ed for 10 wk
nolvadex 10 - 20 mg ed depending on sides for 11 wk
pp test recovery stack for 1 month after cycle ends

will also have adex and letro on hand

this will be my third cycle.
my first was test prop for 6 wk. (what a stupid cluster fuck that was with no pct lol)

my current cycle is:
test prop 150mg eod
winny 50 mg ed
monsterdrol 2 caps ed
with all the anti e's and pct.

stats:
male
30 years old
5'5
my projected weight at the start of cycle is 225 with roghly 20% bf
thats right i said 20% bf this is where it needs to be for me to grow best so no "get your diet in check first" bs you quote whores j/k.
diet, training, and recovery are all good.

my goal is muscle mass
what do you think?

id make it simple man...check above

 

[AAP]

Well all we can do is comment on your cycle here. You obviously have made up your mind about the BF% thing.

However, I would like to point out that even if you wanted to keep your BF% that high "to grow" there is a big difference between muscle growth and water retention. Needing excessive calories is not the same as needing edema due to things like sust and dbol. And I will tell you that your body composition will certainly contribute to more water retention than it would if you were lean.

Steroids are not magic, basically what they give you is more of the same. Whatever you got, you get more. They don't change your body state, they only enhance the current state your body is in. A lot of people don't realize this and this is why we still have drugs classified as cutting and bulking.

Now that I have said that piece, my advice for you would be to forget that cycle. If you are comfortable/content with your body in it's current state, there is really no reason to bitch and gripe about your diet and such. However that isn't to say you shouldn't give up your quest for more muscle, but you should go about it smarter. Make sure the weight you add is truly muscle and not just body mass, fat and water.

To accomplish this, I would suggest you going with :

200mg Test prop
200mg NPP
Mon Wed and Fri

This will give you 600mg test weekly and 600mg NPP weekly. Both of these are relatively fast acting so that would eliminate the need for dbol in your cycle and also eliminate the risk for higher BP that taking dbol (orals) may bring about. (of course not saying it will, just that it might and has been known to do so, especially with people with higher BF%) You won't see any bloat for this (or minimal if any, not like you would with sust and dbol)

Keep up with the liver protection while on cycle. Glad to see you are doing that. I would also include NAC, r-ala and biotin in addition to the milk thistle.

Soon there will be a complete liver detox and protector on the market for everyone that will be the bomb. But in the mean time, go with the supps above as they are really cheap and there is no reason not too.

Get PPs recovery cycle and PCT protocol down and make sure you are recovering. Know that muscle recovery and CNS recovery are two different things and coordinate your rest accordingly.

And why not start a training log here on EF to record your progress start to finish? It's a shame not many people do that enough for everyone to have some in depth observations about another's training and cycling methods so we all learn from it.

 

[joe d]

some interesting things to consider here. i realy do not want to sound like my mind is all set. if it was i wouldnt post. some of the replies are definately geared towards my goals and some are and they are all different lol. so i am only questioning to try to figure out what would be best to try. heres a little more elaboration on my goals. size, size, and more size. right now i dont care at all about looks i just want more muscle size. being a mesa/endo. my body likes to stay around 20% i do know how to stay more lean but i do not grow as fast. all out bulking works best for me. i can cut pre contest when that time comes. as far as aas i want to get the most growth from every cycle as i can keeping the sides managible. not minimal. so far i have cycled keeping the sides minimal now i want to try bumping it up. my ultimate goal is to compete in the ifbb pro's although i know it is unlikely i will strive for the olympia. i know there are some dangerous factors involved slin, gh at high doses eventually. so this cycle #3 is meant to be an increase and every cycle will be gradually more for a while any way. i will not go into extremely high doses or on slin and gh for a while and i will not do it without a doctor monitoring. i know i am verry young to the aas game and have a lot to learn still.

 

[joe d]

id make it simple man...check above

I like the looks of this maybe with maybe running the dbol at 30mg for 6 wk or 40-50 for 4 wk. i need to learn more about this hcg thing i dont know shit about it yet lol i will search the board. do you see it as a definate need in this cycle hayes?

 

[HAYEZ]

I like the looks of this maybe with maybe running the dbol at 30mg for 6 wk or 40-50 for 4 wk. i need to learn more about this hcg thing i dont know shit about it yet lol i will search the board. do you see it as a definate need in this cycle hayes?

hcg is a great tool to help in recovery...makes pct easier making more gains stick...point of cycleing is to get bigger and stronger...no sense in not retaining the most you can out of it!

dbol i wouldnt run it over 6 weeks...whatever dose you choose go for it..be it 30-50 ed if dose is to high lower it..same as if it seems to low

 

[joe d]

hcg is a great tool to help in recovery...makes pct easier making more gains stick...point of cycleing is to get bigger and stronger...no sense in not retaining the most you can out of it!

dbol i wouldnt run it over 6 weeks...whatever dose you choose go for it..be it 30-50 ed if dose is to high lower it..same as if it seems to low

thanks man. i have a few months before i start so i will start looking into hcg now

 

[Bigpimpin10]

thanks man. i have a few months before i start so i will start looking into hcg now

yeah definetly...look into hcg...for me its a must..or otherwise i dont feel safe haha

 

[joe d]

yeah definetly...look into hcg...for me its a must..or otherwise i dont feel safe haha

thanks