Hey Nelson!

[fast_lane]

Ok i'm mainly looking for answers from Nelson but bros can join i,d like to here ur opinions as well.

Here wee go,i want try out some new ways of doing things,and i,m still inspired by the books Nelson wrote a few years ago talking about short cycles...so i'm thinkin of doing a short 4 or 5 weeks cycle and following the hcg protocole during the cycle.It would go like this: oral turanabol only cycle(keeping it simple...)50 mgs/day starting hcg at week 2-100 iu/day and stoping it 10 days before end of cycle.staying off for a 4 or 5 weeks and doing the cycle again.Planing of doing this for at least 6 months or maybe a year if things go well.

I'm shoosing oral turanabol since i have a alot left and also for the reputation it has to stop being efficient after around 28 days,and having experiemented with it,i belive it is quite true,I get like 10 pounds heavier in the first 2 or 3 weeks and after no matter how much i take and for how long i eventualy get some kind of a plateau.

 

[RADAR]

OH! Shit! Don't wake the sleeping Giant.




THe answer to your question is in my opinion is Quick to gain=quick to loose!
I'm a fan of long cycles!
I'm sure you will get mixed opinions on this!

RADAR

 

[micksnowdog]

radar, as far as my lack of knowledge leads me i think long hpta shutdown would lead to more chance of permanent problems. i have read the old school blokes only did 6 week cycles with no pct and they mostly are fine. just asking please correct me

sorry for hijacking thread

 

[fast_lane]

radar, as far as my lack of knowledge leads me i think long hpta shutdown would lead to more chance of permanent problems. i have read the old school blokes only did 6 week cycles with no pct and they mostly are fine. just asking please correct me

sorry for hijacking thread

Whats that?Talkin about what??

 

[Barch]

One thing you need to realize is that the 4 on 4 off concept isn't exactly like it sounds. You need to think about the 4-5 weeks on cycle PLUS time on PCT (for instance, 4 weeks), then add them together for time off... So, 8 weeks off, before starting another cycle. Of course, some can rebound their HPTA faster or slower, so blood tests would be the best gauge.

 

[daveyboy2345]

isn't 6 weeks on short enough? 6 on 10 off would be cool imho.
t-bol 1-4
prop 1-6

 

[Nelson Montana]

A lot of confusion here. The short cycle approach was intended as a supplement to natural training. I believe you can do two or three 4-6 weeks cycles a year, make solid gains that are kept and still have a functional HPTA. If you're going to jump back on in a month, you might as well stay on.

 

[1999TL]

A lot of confusion here. The short cycle approach was intended as a supplement to natural training. I believe you can do two or three 4-6 weeks cycles a year, make solid gains that are kept and still have a functional HPTA. If you're going to jump back on in a month, you might as well stay on.

that actually clears it up for me.

 

[fast_lane]

A lot of confusion here. The short cycle approach was intended as a supplement to natural training. I believe you can do two or three 4-6 weeks cycles a year, make solid gains that are kept and still have a functional HPTA. If you're going to jump back on in a month, you might as well stay on.

I see what u mean,but i'm thinkin that since the cycles are so short and i'm using hcg right from the start,my hpta wouldn't even have the chance too 'realise' i'm on a cycle and so a month off would be sufficient to recover from theses shorts cycles(the point of clasique prototocles being to stay off 2 x the time of the cycle to permit the hpta to recover but if it was never shut down...)Am i wrong tinking this way guys and if so whats ur arguments?

 

[Nelson Montana]

I see what u mean,but i'm thinkin that since the cycles are so short and i'm using hcg right from the start,my hpta wouldn't even have the chance too 'realise' i'm on a cycle and so a month off would be sufficient to recover from theses shorts cycles(the point of clasique prototocles being to stay off 2 x the time of the cycle to permit the hpta to recover but if it was never shut down...)Am i wrong tinking this way guys and if so whats ur arguments?

Your thinking is logical, but here's where it derails.

Every moment you're on, you're suppressed. It takes a few months to recover fully...BUT...if you hit it again too soon even though you're "recovered" you haven;t really established a functional HPTA for too long. So in essence, you're sending a signal to your body that it really doesn't need to work on its own. Do that too often and there's a culmative effect.

Look at it this way. Let's say you broke your arm. And then after it's completely healed, you broke it again. And then it healed, and you break it again. After a while, it'll never heal completely even if you never break it again.

 

[lartinos]

short cycles never worked for me, tried them but the hormone flucuation is not worth it IMO.

 

[Nelson Montana]

short cycles never worked for me, tried them but the hormone flucuation is not worth it IMO.

So staying suppressed longer creates less fluctuation? That's one way of looking at it.

 

[needtogetaas]

radar, as far as my lack of knowledge leads me i think long hpta shutdown would lead to more chance of permanent problems. i have read the old school blokes only did 6 week cycles with no pct and they mostly are fine. just asking please correct me

sorry for hijacking thread

Of course the shorter the cycle the less shut down. Also the dose has a lot to do with it too. I mean a short 6 week 1 gram cycle will deff shut you down just as much if not more then 10 weeks test 500mg ew

 

[fast_lane]

Your thinking is logical, but here's where it derails.

Every moment you're on, you're suppressed. It takes a few months to recover fully...BUT...if you hit it again too soon even though you're "recovered" you haven;t really established a functional HPTA for too long. So in essence, you're sending a signal to your body that it really doesn't need to work on its own. Do that too often and there's a culmative effect.

Look at it this way. Let's say you broke your arm. And then after it's completely healed, you broke it again. And then it healed, and you break it again. After a while, it'll never heal completely even if you never break it again.

Good point Nelson,so if i here u,its not a good idea?should i try anyways and see what happens?

 

[fast_lane]

Of course the shorter the cycle the less shut down. Also the dose has a lot to do with it too. I mean a short 6 week 1 gram cycle will deff shut you down just as much if not more then 10 weeks test 500mg ew

It wont be too big doses,i'm a bigginer in that feild (did 3 cycles yet,2 orals only,and the last was EQ and turanabol)so i'm takin it easy,and trying to lear how things work...