Heart attack proof!

[BBR100]

Interesting documentary which makes a lot of sense to me.
Maybe not what bodybuilders want to hear.

Gupta: Becoming heart attack proof – The Chart - CNN.com Blogs

 

[digimon7068]

Interesting documentary which makes a lot of sense to me.
Maybe not what bodybuilders want to hear.

Gupta: Becoming heart attack proof – The Chart - CNN.com Blogs

my diet has all kinds of fat in it...lots of red meat and oils and shit, but almost no carbs...my lipid profile is ridiculously low...my hdl is 100 and my ldl is 50...the fact of the matter is that most people (especially americans) just can't give up their carbs so, if you're going to have a carb-rich diet and you want to have a healthy circulatory system, you have to give up all the other stuff...i'd rather give up my carbs, it's easier on me physically and mentally.

 

[TableFun]

does it involve genetic engineering?

 

[digimon7068]

does it involve genetic engineering?

if they clone me, i hope they give me a bigger cawk next time...did i just say that out loud? fvck

 

[BBR100]

Getting older makes me re-think priorities. I limit red meat to maybe once a week and get most carbs from fruit and vegetables. Incredibly strict diet that they are suggesting here> Not even fish..wtf.

I'm not sure of my numbers but LDL is high enough that my dr. put me on lipitor last year. I hate it and want off! My next physical is in October. I'm curious to see where my numbers are then.

 

[digimon7068]

Getting older makes me re-think priorities. I limit red meat to maybe once a week and get most carbs from fruit and vegetables. Incredibly strict diet that they are suggesting heren Not even fish..wtf.

I'm not sure of my numbers but LDL is high enough that my dr. put me on lipitor last year. I hate it and want off! My next physical is in October. I'm curious to see where my numbers are then.

i always had good lipid numbers...but, since i reduced my carb intake, they dropped to stupid-low levels...carbs are the enemy for us aging fucks imho...and they should only be used as treats...even supposed good ones (i.e., fruits and meaty beans).

 

[bakemeacookie]

so basically eat healthy and avoid sugary greasy stuff? Okay.

c

 

[BBR100]

so basically eat healthy and avoid sugary greasy stuff? Okay.

c

Good start but a little more complicated than that.

Significant evidence that shows reversal plaque buildup.

"...it would involve essentially eliminating meat, dairy, eggs and oil – even olive oil. “Nothing with a mother, and nothing with a face."

 

[bakemeacookie]

Good start but a little more complicated than that.

Significant evidence that shows reversal plaque buildup.

"...it would involve essentially eliminating meat, dairy, eggs and oil – even olive oil. “Nothing with a mother, and nothing with a face."

"Simply put, Campbell’s research team found people who ate the most animal-based foods also had the most chronic disease. As important, people who ate the most plant-based foods were the healthiest. "

This is too broad a statement. Al it's saying, is that vegeterians never get heart attacks - but you meat loving bastards will!

and was their focus group of meat lovers - those who kept in shape, worked out, ate healthy, avoided sugars and drink lots of water? How do we know that group didn't also eat tons of hamburgers and fries?

Plenty of meat lovers in china & india and they're not croaking of heart attacks like flies. So these "researchers" try again. I take it these "experts" just wanna sell their books.

c

 

[mrplunkey]

Then we should mandate meat-free diets via BarryCare!

 

[PICK3]

does it recommend a daily dosage of teh cawk?

 

[UA_Iron]

does it recommend a daily dosage of teh cawk?

That falls under the meat category.

homo.

 

[jjtt]

Reminds me a few conversations I had with a cardiologist who told me that people who get Coronary Artery Disease are often chronic and repeat cases because it is not their diet, but rather their specific predisposition to this disease.
They get angioplasties, go on statins, beta blockers, ACE inhibitors, diuretics etc. They eat a heart-healthy diet, and they are back in the ER with chest pains and clogged arteries within a few years.
Their arterial plaque is more "sticky". Some people can eat cheeseburgers all the day long and never have problems. Some people unfortunately are more susceptible to heart disease.
I question Dr. Gupta's motives with this quick fix idea that his brand of vegetarianism would eradicate heart disease. Makes for good TV though I suppose.

 

[blueta2]

Great article!
The liver is where cholesterol is produced and the intestines are where chol, is absorbed. If both liver and intestines are not in balance, cholesterol levels will be out of balance,
Since gut health is dependent on diet, it makes sense that diet is the key factor in balanced chol. levels. If the liver produces more chol, than the intestines can absorb, then you get high chol levels.
If the liver is not getting chol from food, it will make chol on it's own to feed the body.

Statins like Lipitor offer a false sense of security because the drug does't get to the root of the imbalance. They also work against the liver and stop natural production.

Keys to balanced chol, A healthy gut, vegan diet when chol levels are too high, no smoking, no alcohol and cutting down all sugars.

What we use at the clinic is high doses of Niacin (inositol hexaniacinate), which gets us incredible results, of course along with changing the patients diet and balancing the gut.

Gupta is always on the cutting edge.

 

[PICK3]

Great article!
The liver is where cholesterol is produced and the intestines are where chol, is absorbed. If both liver and intestines are not in balance, cholesterol levels will be out of balance,
Since gut health is dependent on diet, it makes sense that diet is the key factor in balanced chol. levels. If the liver produces more chol, than the intestines can absorb, then you get high chol levels.
If the liver is not getting chol from food, it will make chol on it's own to feed the body.

Statins like Lipitor offer a false sense of security because the drug does't get to the root of the imbalance. They also work against the liver and stop natural production.

Keys to balanced chol, A healthy gut, vegan diet when chol levels are too high, no smoking, no alcohol and cutting down all sugars.

What we use at the clinic is high doses of Niacin (inositol hexaniacinate), which gets us incredible results, of course along with changing the patients diet and balancing the gut.

Gupta is always on the cutting edge.

Agreed.

You have "some" control, but as jjtt mentioned it is also strongly influenced by the genetic hand you were dealt.

Structural design flaws as a result of your DNA mapping is hard to overcum.

^^^
The same can be applied to your wiring pertaining to almost every physical and mental disorder.

 

[blueta2]

Agreed.

You have "some" control, but as jjtt mentioned it is also strongly influenced by the genetic hand you were dealt.

Structural design flaws as a result of your DNA mapping is hard to overcum.

^^^
The same can be applied to your wiring pertaining to almost every physical and mental disorder.

I'm a big believer in the biology of belief in that thoughts can create dna re-mapping. But don't get me started!
Mental illness is often (not always) a product of our environment as well as genetically structured.

I agree though about the genetic component. A buddy of mine has super high chol as do his two kids. Both kids had high chol by the time they were pre-teens.
Genetics or not though, both are still controlled by diet and gut health. This family needs to watch everything they eat. They all have normal levels now without statins.

 

[mrplunkey]

Agreed.

You have "some" control, but as jjtt mentioned it is also strongly influenced by the genetic hand you were dealt.

Structural design flaws as a result of your DNA mapping is hard to overcum.

^^^
The same can be applied to your wiring pertaining to almost every physical and mental disorder.

There are quite a few conditions that are more genetically dictated than previously thought. My favorite study right now is spinal discs. If you've got bad disc genetics, you will have a back problem sooner or later.

 

[jjtt]

While diet is an important factor in the control of high cholesterol, it would be medically negligent to suggest that coronary artery disease could be reversed or even drastically improved with only attention to diet and gut health.
I sincerely hope nobody with a potentially fatal disease actually thinks they should forgoe the advice of a real doctor and instead visit a kooky DNA remapping clinic.

 

[blueta2]

While diet is an important factor in the control of high cholesterol, it would be medically negligent to suggest that coronary artery disease could be reversed or even drastically improved with only attention to diet and gut health.
I sincerely hope nobody with a potentially fatal disease actually thinks they should forgoe the advice of a real doctor and instead visit a kooky DNA remapping clinic.

You should probably educate yourself on Natural Medicine and healing before making such an ignorant comment.
ND's are real doctors with just as much medical school as any other doctor. But if you took the time to educate yourself, you would know that.

Our clinic is full of people who come to us once they've been through the gamut of "real" doctors who are clueless on how to actually heal and not just write a rx.

 

[PICK3]

There are quite a few conditions that are more genetically dictated than previously thought. My favorite study right now is spinal discs. If you've got bad disc genetics, you will have a back problem sooner or later.

My interest are rooted (no homo) in why I'm a mental case.

Apparently anxiety/depression etc are part of your hard wiring too.

Luckily my genome mapping and the resulting 100 billion neurons with 100 trillion connections combination got the str8 thing right.


just sayin'

100 Trillion Connections: New Efforts Probe and Map the Brain's Detailed Architecture: Scientific American

 

[RottenWillow]

Genetics definitely a huge part in heart disease. I don't think dietary cholesterol and saturated fat are the villains we used to think they were . It's just that many of us unfortunately are very poor equipped to efficiently process that stuff.

Malnourishment is so common it sure as shit potentiates these genetic factors that predispose so many people to heart disease.

Also, christ enough with the sugar people. That stuff is probably jacking up your lipids more than the cheeseburgers.

 

[PICK3]

If I were a gambling man (and I am), I'd bet on the genetic component.

I had several uncles that smoked from their teens & regularly got their daily alcohol swerve on who lasted til their mid/late 80's.

Pretty sure they didn't research longitudinal longevity studies or subscribe to teh Okinawa or Mediterranean diets.



just sayin'

 

[nimbus]

While diet is an important factor in the control of high cholesterol, it would be medically negligent to suggest that coronary artery disease could be reversed or even drastically improved with only attention to diet and gut health.
I sincerely hope nobody with a potentially fatal disease actually thinks they should forgoe the advice of a real doctor and instead visit a kooky DNA remapping clinic.

omg please stay <3

 

[-SD-]

when japs start dropping from heart attacks let me know, otherwise STFU about my diet.

 

[BBR100]

While diet is an important factor in the control of high cholesterol, it would be medically negligent to suggest that coronary artery disease could be reversed or even drastically improved with only attention to diet and gut health.
I sincerely hope nobody with a potentially fatal disease actually thinks they should forgoe the advice of a real doctor and instead visit a kooky DNA remapping clinic.

Diet and exercise have proven to control and reduce bad cholesterol. That's no longer a question.
Why would it be impossible to improve partial arterial blockages?
Genetics play a huge role in determining who is more prone to coronary heart disease, obviously. All things being equal, I don't think any realdoctor with knowledge of nutrition would discourage this diet.

 

[TK777]

I could go on and on about this topic, but I'll sum it up in 3 things.
1. "The Cholesterol Myths" is an awesome book. Just the facts.
2. Two studies were performed in 2009 (I think) showing that there is no link between saturated fat and heart disease.
3. There is no link between low carb diets and cardiovascular disease. This cannot be said regarding high carb diets.

Posted with my Droid EO Forum App

 

[jjtt]

You should probably educate yourself on Natural Medicine and healing before making such an ignorant comment.
ND's are real doctors with just as much medical school as any other doctor. But if you took the time to educate yourself, you would know that.

Our clinic is full of people who come to us once they've been through the gamut of "real" doctors who are clueless on how to actually heal and not just write a rx.

LOL oh, OK I'll refer my friend with lung cancer to your clinic- yeah right.

 

[jjtt]

Diet and exercise have proven to control and reduce bad cholesterol. That's no longer a question.
Why would it be impossible to improve partial arterial blockages?
Genetics play a huge role in determining who is more prone to coronary heart disease, obviously. All things being equal, I don't think any realdoctor with knowledge of nutrition would discourage this diet.

I'm just saying that medication is important, and that vegetarianism/veganism is not a cure all. That diet alone isn't the answer for 2 out of 3 people with high cholesterol.
In fact a diet high in grains substantially increases inflammation and C reactive protein, which is a marker for heart disease.
Fish/Fish oil can reduce this inflammation, and as far as I know fish have both a face and a mother.
Saturated fat can in fact increase your large LDL without incrase in your small LDL. The small LDL is the one that causes problems and sticks to your arteries.
When it comes to diet, I am afraid most dieticians are not seeing great results with the general poplulace. If a vegetarian diet was a cure-all for the Western world's rates of heart disease and obesity, then the rates of these dieases would have plummeted, given the popularity of vegetarianism.

 

[PICK3]

Is there a diet to cure teh geigh

 

[TableFun]

ND's are real doctors

LOLOLOLOLOL oh dear

 

[nangiggles]

ohoh, here it comes... round one FIGHT!!!

 

[TableFun]

hahahahahaha

 

[nangiggles]

 

[TableFun]

lol

 

[nangiggles]

what a let down...

 

[-SD-]

Finish him!

 

[PICK3]

Finish him!