HCG - Human Chorionic Gonadotrophin

[GaryWary]

That is what I thought (below). My cycle will be 12 weeks. That 12 week mark is 4 weeks away. Surely if I take a little hcg during the last 2 weeks my body's hpta axis will recover quicker? Clomid as normal for post-cycle... I just figured that atrophied balls were slower to recover? Perhaps a few shots of hcg helps lh to function quicker when it does recover? Who know's.... I am going to do some anyway.... but not post-cycle.. just at the end... in the last stages of the cycle...

IG,

One should use both HCG and clomid together, since they do work differently the combo would be quite good. I think using HCG during the last 2 weeks of a cycle which will mimic LH and directly stimulate the testes, can make clomid use more efficient. If the testes are not in an atrophied state and an estrogen agonist is introduced, the dual action of blocking estrogen from the hpta while producing ur natural test can increase recovery significantly. HCG only needs to be used in doses of 500iu/day, because too much can cause LH receptor downregulation thus becoming counterproductive, also using HCG post cycle is not a good idea, as it will increase androgen and estrogen levels thus delaying recovery and increasing estrogen related side effects.

 

[STORM SHADOW]

Iron Game......you are totally correct.........HCG only delays the inevitable..........I use it only to reverse testicular atrophy during and at the end of long cycles......as for doing it at the sametime as Clomid at the end of a cycle.....I wouldn't do it......the reports I've read show that HCG works against Clomid.....Clomid should be the last thing in a cycle after all......HCG including......have worn off.

 

[GaryWary]

So should I do it or not................

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaghghghghgh!

Confused....

 

[Widi]

I've finished my cycles with and without HCG and definitively I feel better when I use it. Specially when I've used Deca. It brings back my sex drive alot faster then Clomid alone!

In spite of the ones who say it will delay recuperation I disagree because for me that statement is NOT true. And I didnt have any problems with Gyno either (using doses up to 2500 iu)

 

[Jan]

In the past I used it, but now I know why I suddenly suffered from GYNO after my cycle, not in the cycle.

Because of HCG. It brings me GYNO and acne in just a one day.

Now I know that it is not wise to use it AFTER a cycle, if you want, ok, but DURING a cycle.

Clomid should be your choice after you finished your cycle.

 

[GaryWary]

For the last 4 week of my cycle I will be using enanthate (have been using sustanon). Cycle is 8 weeks old at this point.

I was going to use 1500iu's per week during that last 4 weeks.. and another 1500iu's x 2 for the two weeks following my last injection of enanthate...

Then clomid for 4 weeks or 5....

Is this better than clomid on it's own? Is the logic sound for using hcg just to get the balls 'working' prior to their regaining their proper functioning..

i.e. a quick spurt of bollick activity and size regain surely helps?

 

[goldsbull]

Iron Game can I get some help? If I use hcg during my cycle, which weeks should it be used. Should I use nolv/proviron during this time? If I wait 3 weeks after deca/sus shot to take clomid, should I use anavar or winny tabs during this time or nothing at all? Any other opinions would be extremely helpful!

 

[Ulter]

Unless he is going to feel your balls there is no way for IG to know when you should use it during a long cycle. You will know when they are smaller than you want them to be, it "should" be around the 8th week. No on anavar and winny. You can use anavar AFTER you finish the clomid. It doesn't shut you down and you can restart your HPTA while taking it but it will be harder for your body to do that so wait.

 

[Ulter]

madmax

I read what Bill Llewellyn has to say and that's his opinion. I get my dosing information from a physician who works with body builders using AS. Hundreds of them. If Bill Llewellyn thinks that test will shut you down harder that Deca I really have nothing else I want to hear from him. That's riduculous.

 

[Your_Moms_Kneepads]

If someone was to use hcg then it should be used before the cycle ends, this is without a doubt. Clomid + HCG means you cannot start natural test production until you come off the HCG. It is pure cosmetics. I never really have understood the use of hcg but after reading a little up on it I am even more lost as to why anyone would wish to use it. Nimrod25, you are absolutely correct if it is going to be used doses should be kept very low. Unfortunately it doesnt, well I havent seen it come in 500iu amps, I have only seen 1500, 2500 and 5000. Many people do not split this, they have a 2500 iu amp and they will shoot it all.

"I am not convinced that even arimidex or like can help prevent the production of estradiol, or its side effects, caused by hCG use. This is because the estrogen production happens within the balls rather than in peripheral tissue"

Doc Mark

Who exactly is "Doc Mark"? If its a guy who runs a website that guy IS NOT A PHYSICIAN.
HCG as you said is GREAT for gyno