Hate that I feel this way.....

[blueta2]

So my friend just emailed me... She is an arab. In her reply, she answered me in Arabic (which she often used to), I replied that she needs to translate. She replied "You're in Canada and since Arabic will be the official language soon, you should learn"
I did not LOL!!!! Now I am distubed!
Growing up, my neighborhood was filled with Italians, Irish, Polish, blacks, French and Pakistan children. I never knew racism. My parents never taught me to hate.
We all laughed at one another’s traditions in a joking manner, but we all played together and were friends. Our parents were friends.
Well I have to say, since the insurgence of the Muslims to my area, city and country, I'm feeling like I may be a racist.
I look at some of them with such distain. How the women must cover up. How the ugly men they are married to do not allow them freedom. How they come here and suck off our system.
How they are given freedoms here that I would not be given in their country.
These women have kid after kid after kid in which our health care system pays for.
My friend who I talk about above is a Christian from Iraq. She came to this country with her entire family (11 ppl) to have a better life.
She assimilated well, but her husband, who is Muslim, is hateful (she converted even though she is against the Muslim religion)
When I met him, he called blacks "slaves" and women "maids". He would always talk about his hate for Jews and Canada and how one day this country would see how much they hate. He only came to Canada b/c his wife was coming w/or w/out his sorry ass.
He also justified (as did she) 9/11. Saying "they" deserved it!
I asked Nora why So much hate?! She said where they are from, they are taught to hate. Her as a Christian was also taught to hate.
I was young and naive then, so didn't quiet get it.
Why doesn't anyone speak out against the hate many of these Muslims breed? Because they will have to fear for their lives if they do?
I’m not so much talking about their religion, b/c I believe ALL religions are a total joke. But who these people are in general.
I'm not saying all Muslims are bad and I am all for diversity (hell I grew up in the largest multi cultural society in North America), but when do we say enough is enough and stop allowing them access to peaceful countries?
I really never thought in my entire life I would be hard core like this. Am I a racist or do I just hate what these ppl stand for?!

 

[EnderJE]

I'm beginning to hate you.

 

[blueta2]

I'm beginning to hate you.

Listen, not posting this so haters like you can spew their hate......no go away!

 

[Faizakafez]

wow!

 

[blueta2]

wow!

don't just wow me, talk to me!

 

[jnevin]

Sometimes feelings like that are justified. It's almost for safety. Having grown up in west Philly, I'm wary of certain types of black folks, but I'm not racist toward all blacks. It's more of a prejudice than anything, and that doesn't only apply to different races. It sucks I guess, but it's reality.

 

[EnderJE]

Racist!

I think people at an older age need to feel 'better' then others. In the case of feeling better, they need to put other down (the poor, blacks, the rich, etc). In extreme cases, this could lead to the hate that you're describing. Sad really. I don't mind hating people as long as you hate them for the right reasons (ie they have somehow directly impacted your life with such a negative force that hate is the only recourse).

As for me, I hate people who don't post up their boobs.

 

[cindylou]

I did not know that so many Muslims were coming to live in your country.

 

[Faizakafez]

I asked Nora why So much hate?! She said where they are from, they are taught to hate. Her as a Christian was also taught to hate.

Where she is from i.e IRAQ

Why doesn't anyone speak out against the hate many of these Muslims breed? Because they will have to fear for their lives if they do?

Maybe in thrid world countries please elobrate on "the hate" that you have experinced from one family (immigrants from war country?

Why doesnt anyone speak out against the slave trade still going in Africa?

Why doesnt anyone speak out against the hate instilled in child soliders?

enough is enough and stop allowing them access to peaceful countries?
I really never thought in my entire life I would be hard core like this. Am I a racist or do I just hate what these ppl stand for?!

you hate what the people stand for and know how have made a brass generalization of an entire religon/people. you and have essentially said lets ban immigrants cause all of these dirty muslims are creating havoc in the streets of toronto and montreal. the daily riots are getting absurd

welcome to the world of racism.. enjoy your stay

 

[blueta2]

Sometimes feelings like that are justified. It's almost for safety. Having grown up in west Philly, I'm wary of certain types of black folks, but I'm not racist toward all blacks. It's more of a prejudice than anything, and that doesn't only apply to different races. It sucks I guess, but it's reality.

I don't like feeling this hate.....And you're right, I feel unsafe in my own "home".

 

[velvett]

I never noticed that Muslims were big breeders when I was growing up, can't say I notice it now either. Christians are in my oberservation the biggest breeders and where I live now most of the babies born are not white or black but they'll all good Christians - unless they're white trash.... they're too poor for religion.

I guess what I'm really saying is - everyone is racist.

 

[reno240]

Are you basing your hatred for muslims on one shitty muslim family?

 

[cindylou]

Where she is from i.e IRAQ




Maybe in thrid world countries please elobrate on "the hate" that you have experinced from one family (immigrants from war country?

Why doesnt anyone speak out against the slave trade still going in Africa?

Why doesnt anyone speak out against the hate instilled in child soliders?



you hate what the people stand for and know how have made a brass generalization of an entire religon/people. you and have essentially said lets ban immigrants cause all of these dirty muslims are creating havoc in the streets of toronto and montreal. the daily riots are getting absurd

welcome to the world of racism.. enjoy your stay

Thats not really fair fez...

 

[Faizakafez]

I don't like feeling this hate.....And you're right, I feel unsafe in my own "home".

lol you have to be kidding me right?

i would be more scared of random shooting and stabbing then terrorist attacks in canada.

 

[jnevin]

lol you have to be kidding me right?

i would be more scared of random shooting and stabbing then terrorist attacks in canada.

So get rid of the poor and the Muslims and shit'll be straight.

 

[velvett]

I don't like feeling this hate.....And you're right, I feel unsafe in my own "home".

It's not hate - it's ignorance.



Most people don't understand what love and hate truly represent.

 

[Faizakafez]

Cindy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Canada

its stupid really one family is crazy.. okay lets go down the road a little further and i will meet family two

Hi family two

family two: I fucking came from greece and we hated black, slavery should be brought back.. etc etc

same story ... now she hates greeks...

 

[reno240]

I do have to say this - I HATE when people settle in a new country and then bash it!!

 

[musclemom]

To get to the core of the hatred in Muslims you have to go back CENTURIES to the time of the Crusades. We have a short memory, that's all. When you have nothing but sand and time, you get good at hanging onto grudges. We don't remember why they hate us because we move on and do other things. They sit around in sandstorms, bake in the heat, and remember how entire cities, men, women and children, were massacred nearly 1000 years ago, and they're still pissed about it.

While this is an EXTREME oversimplification of what's going on, it has always made the most sense to me. The thing with European decendents is that we have shifted all over the globe, so we don't have a lot of ancestral grounds, tradition and familial memories get blurred. I think when you stay in the same place your family has always been in, your people has always been in, it almost creates race memories and the other thing I think it does is create sort of a cultural stagnation, people have a hard time moving ahead, mentally.

Just my opinion.

 

[slat1]

So my friend just emailed me... She is an arab. In her reply, she answered me in Arabic (which she often used to), I replied that she needs to translate. She replied "You're in Canada and since Arabic will be the official language soon, you should learn"
I did not LOL!!!! Now I am distubed!
Growing up, my neighborhood was filled with Italians, Irish, Polish, blacks, French and Pakistan children. I never knew racism. My parents never taught me to hate.
We all laughed at one another’s traditions in a joking manner, but we all played together and were friends. Our parents were friends.
Well I have to say, since the insurgence of the Muslims to my area, city and country, I'm feeling like I may be a racist.
I look at some of them with such distain. How the women must cover up. How the ugly men they are married to do not allow them freedom. How they come here and suck off our system.
How they are given freedoms here that I would not be given in their country.
These women have kid after kid after kid in which our health care system pays for.
My friend who I talk about above is a Christian from Iraq. She came to this country with her entire family (11 ppl) to have a better life.
She assimilated well, but her husband, who is Muslim, is hateful (she converted even though she is against the Muslim religion)
When I met him, he called blacks "slaves" and women "maids". He would always talk about his hate for Jews and Canada and how one day this country would see how much they hate. He only came to Canada b/c his wife was coming w/or w/out his sorry ass.
He also justified (as did she) 9/11. Saying "they" deserved it!
I asked Nora why So much hate?! She said where they are from, they are taught to hate. Her as a Christian was also taught to hate.
I was young and naive then, so didn't quiet get it.
Why doesn't anyone speak out against the hate many of these Muslims breed? Because they will have to fear for their lives if they do?
I’m not so much talking about their religion, b/c I believe ALL religions are a total joke. But who these people are in general.
I'm not saying all Muslims are bad and I am all for diversity (hell I grew up in the largest multi cultural society in North America), but when do we say enough is enough and stop allowing them access to peaceful countries?
I really never thought in my entire life I would be hard core like this. Am I a racist or do I just hate what these ppl stand for?!

One question...

Why are you friends with her?

You are surounding yourself with people you don't even like. That makes no sense.
Move on!

 

[blueta2]

Where she is from i.e IRAQ

Oh God, I'm not sure, I would have to ask. She moved to Kuwait when she was in her late teens. Her Dad was a solider in the Iraq army

Maybe in thrid world countries please elobrate on "the hate" that you have experinced from one family (immigrants from war country?

I never personally experienced any "hate" from them (other than what I said about my friends husband), but I think they have given the world a good view on how they hate

Why doesnt anyone speak out against the slave trade still going in Africa?

It does't affect me

Why doesnt anyone speak out against the hate instilled in child soliders?

Aren't muslims notorious for having child suicide bombers?!



you hate what the people stand for and know how have made a brass generalization of an entire religon/people. you and have essentially said lets ban immigrants cause all of these dirty muslims are creating havoc in the streets of toronto and montreal. the daily riots are getting absurd

welcome to the world of racism.. enjoy your stay


Not sure why you're getting angry...I'm really just trying to understand why I feel this way

 

[blueta2]

I never noticed that Muslims were big breeders when I was growing up, can't say I notice it now either. Christians are in my oberservation the biggest breeders and where I live now most of the babies born are not white or black but they'll all good Christians - unless they're white trash.... they're too poor for religion.

I guess what I'm really saying is - everyone is racist.

are you in a big city?

 

[blueta2]

Are you basing your hatred for muslims on one shitty muslim family?

No, her family is not shitty, Her husband is.
I'm basing it on what I wrote and from all the terrorism that has gone on

 

[velvett]

are you in a big city?

Yes, NYC - First 30 years of my life now I'm outside the city.

 

[blueta2]

lol you have to be kidding me right?

i would be more scared of random shooting and stabbing then terrorist attacks in canada.

Yes, that makes me feel unsafe as well. But I meant as a whole. As a nation. I don't want to be forced to wear a burka and speak arabic in 30 years.
Mind you, in 30 yrs, I will prob be bald so a burka wouldn't be horrible.
And I do know some arabic.....Kazzebie ;-)

 

[cindylou]

Cindy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Canada

its stupid really one family is crazy.. okay lets go down the road a little further and i will meet family two

Hi family two

family two: I fucking came from greece and we hated black, slavery should be brought back.. etc etc

same story ... now she hates greeks...

I understand, but I think the word, hate or racist is too strong of a word for bleuta because I dont really think the "uncomfortable" feeling she is feeling is hate, or racism. She's not really a racist type from the posts I've read from her. Or hateful.

 

[Faizakafez]

Why doesnt anyone speak out against the slave trade still going in Africa?

It does't affect me

How does this effect, you hate certain people, did they come out and say blueta i fucking hate you? no thats their view point are they going to act on it no.. if we judged people on their thoughts.. think about that for a second

Why doesnt anyone speak out against the hate instilled in child soliders?

Aren't muslims notorious for having child suicide bombers?!

Yes, but where ? in countries where they are at war, if canada is in some war im not aware of and children are blowing up people at the EX please fill me in.

 

[blueta2]

One question...

Why are you friends with her?

You are surounding yourself with people you don't even like. That makes no sense.
Move on!

Because she is a good soul. She was taught to hate but doesn't hate. Her believes are becoming kooky lately though.
She came here in 1986 and kissed the tarmac when she landed in Montreal.
She loves Canada and the ppl.
Her Mom raised her and her two sisters alone. She is well educated and doesn't believe what her husband does. She is also 15 yrs younger than him.
She did agree with 9/11 which is when I started to question her.
She felt that it was time the West "wake up".
Her and I never talk about politics.....it was always just better this way.
But again, she was raised as a Christiain and was also raised by a loving family that told her hate was wrong.

 

[wootoom]

fuckin arabs

 

[blueta2]

I understand, but I think the word, hate or racist is too strong of a word for bleuta because I dont really think the "uncomfortable" feeling she is feeling is hate, or racism. She's not really a racist type from the posts I've read from her. Or hateful.

Thank you....I am far from hateful.....well cept when it comes to my ex ;-)
And the word "uncomfortable" explains it perfectly

 

[velvett]

I understand, but I think the word, hate or racist is too strong of a word for bleuta because I dont really think the "uncomfortable" feeling she is feeling is hate, or racism. She's not really a racist type from the posts I've read from her. Or hateful.

Is it?

(No offense Blueta)

Racism is a belief or concept that inherent differences between people, in particular those upon which the concept of race is based, significantly influence cultural or individual achievement, and may involve the idea that one's self-identified race or ethnic group or others' race or ethnic group is superior.

Hate
Racism
Discrimination
and
Prejudice

All cover different yet similarly grouped behaviors.


Even the best people, most kind and honorable have had thoughts such as those run through their minds. It's not the thought that one should fear within themselves its what brought it there and what will you do in response that poses great weight.

It's much like jealousy and envy - no one wants to admit to such feelings but you must ask yourself why you might feel such things when you do and what you can do to change it.

 

[wootoom]

just kiddin about the arab thing

 

[blueta2]

How does this effect, you hate certain people, did they come out and say blueta i fucking hate you? no thats their view point are they going to act on it no.. if we judged people on their thoughts.. think about that for a second



Yes, but where ? in countries where they are at war, if canada is in some war im not aware of and children are blowing up people at the EX please fill me in.

you're not making sense (and please stop taking this so personally).
I am sure many ppl hate me for my thoughts and that is ok, but if I went to let's say Iraq and preached my religion, I would be killed. If I did not cover up, I can be killed. If I commited adultry, I will be killed. This is not just thoughts, these are real actions from the muslim faith and their ppl.
I "hate' b/c of their actions, not thoughts.


Wednesday, 18 July, 2001, 22:04 GMT 23:04 UK
School trains suicide bombers


A boy draws himself with explosives tied to his body
By Jeremy Cooke in Gaza
The Islamic Jihad is running a summer school - to teach boys the benefits of becoming suicide bombers.

A new generation of children, Palestinian boys aged between 12 and 15 years old, is growing up amid conflict and violence.


Teacher Mohammed el Hattab: Suicide bombers go to the highest state in paradise

The militant group has a sworn mission to wage a holy war against Israel.

The boys are told not only that it is good to kill, but also that it is good to die.

They learn that suicide bomb attacks have proved the most deadly way to hit the Israelis.

Part of the revolution

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"Yes," he says, when asked if he wants to be a suicide bomber. "I want to liberate Palestine and be part of the revolution."


The boys are told that it is good to kill and good to die

The boys are shown pictures of those who have already died in the conflict with Israel.

They are taught that to give their lives is to be guaranteed a place in heaven.

And to be a suicide bomber is one of the highest forms of martyrdom.

They will be greeted in paradise by 70 virgins.

"We are teaching the children that suicide bombing is the only thing that make the Israeli people very frightened. Furthermore, we are teaching them that we have the right to do it," said Islamic Jihad member Mohammed el Hattab, one of the teachers on the programme.

"We are teaching them that after the suicide attacks, the man who makes it goes to the highest state in paradise," he said.


Israelis appalled

For the Israelis all of this is appalling.

They say it is clear evidence that a new generation is being brought up to hate and to kill and they are demanding that it must stop.


Limor Livnat: Poisoned minds lead to violence

Israeli Education Minister Limor Livnat told the BBC: "Poisoned pens make poisoned minds, and poisoned minds lead to violence, to terror attacks, to the killing of Israelis."

But the people in Gaza insist that this is a direct response to the Israeli occupation and if and when the Israelis leave Palestinian territory, the children will no longer be taught violence or dream of becoming suicide bombers.

 

[blueta2]

Yes, but where ? in countries where they are at war, if canada is in some war im not aware of and children are blowing up people at the EX please fill me in.

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BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraq’s interior minister said Monday that insurgents used a handicapped child as one of the suicide bombers who launched attacks on election day.

Falah al-Naqib told reporters in Baghdad that 38 attacks were carried out on polling stations in Iraq on Sunday and that one of the suicide bombings was carried out by a disabled child.

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[jnevin]

I don't see anything wrong with feeling wary of a group of people that openly hates you and your way of life and felt happy about the murder of innocent people.

 

[blueta2]

Yes, NYC - First 30 years of my life now I'm outside the city.

Maybe they avoid NYC b/c of 9/11.....not sure! When I was in Philly, I didn't see many either.
There are TONS up here.

 

[blueta2]

Is it?

(No offense Blueta)




Hate
Racism
Discrimination
and
Prejudice

All cover different yet similarly grouped behaviors.


Even the best people, most kind and honorable have had thoughts such as those run through their minds. It's not the thought that one should fear within themselves its what brought it there and what will you do in response that poses great weight.

It's much like jealousy and envy - no one wants to admit to such feelings but you must ask yourself why you might feel such things when you do and what you can do to change it.

None taken

good post

 

[blueta2]

I don't see anything wrong with feeling wary of a group of people that openly hates you and your way of life and felt happy about the murder of innocent people.

You see, that's the thing. "They" hate me and my way of life.
I come from a FREE country where I can speak my mind openly, yet if I write an article (I get my work published by the Montreal Gazette), My house would be either defaced or my safety in danger.
I cannot speak my mind b/c they will attack me.........and Fez, you know that's TRUE!!!

 

[all the whey]

I blame Covergirl not being able to get a date, and biteme sponging off his women on the muslims.

 

[blueta2]

I blame Covergirl not being able to get a date, and biteme sponging off his women on the muslems.

Hey, love your sig ;-)

I don't think the Biteme one can be blamed, but the mods reading pm's, well maybe u have a case there ;-)

 

[Tytan]

Its just the traditional teachings they have learned from birth. You know some people just have to learn how to expand their beliefs when they get older. I wish muslims could stop judging others, but they won`t because of the way they grew up. To top it off the younger muslims who have gone to other countries and seen the change and realize they were wrong to think that all americans, canadiens, whatever ......are all individuals who have different beliefs, but an understanding to respect anothers difference of opinion. My neighbors are arabs who hated blacks, white you name it. My wife and I think we have changed their feelings somewhat because now they come over for small talk and they let the daughters interact w/ teenage boys of different races.

 

[Faizakafez]

you're not making sense (and please stop taking this so personally).
I am sure many ppl hate me for my thoughts and that is ok, but if I went to let's say Iraq and preached my religion, I would be killed. If I did not cover up, I can be killed. If I commited adultry, I will be killed. This is not just thoughts, these are real actions from the muslim faith and their ppl.
I "hate' b/c of their actions, not thoughts.

.

Do you live in palestine or iraq?

NO- you dont, so why are you scared? if your planning to travel there then be scared... if you plan on preaching there.

The muslim faith does not recommened killing btw. its in countries where islamic extremist rule the country!

The article you posted does not pertain to your point,the only thing that it realtes to is child bombers in GAZA, you live in Canada. Also the history between Israel and Palestine is very gruesome


But your scared in Canada, you dont live in gaza. Your generalizing and that makes you seem like a racist.

 

[reno240]

It's easy to argue with Blue and tell her she's wrong for thinking this way - however, I think that if everyone were honest with themselves - most people feel a little fear regarding muslims. The news is just crawling with stories of muslims killing "senselessly" and you can't just turn that off and say to yourself, "Hmm - maybe I don't know them as well as I should." It just doesn't work that way.

 

[Faizakafez]

You see, that's the thing. "They" hate me and my way of life.
I come from a FREE country where I can speak my mind openly, yet if I write an article (I get my work published by the Montreal Gazette), My house would be either defaced or my safety in danger.
I cannot speak my mind b/c they will attack me.........and Fez, you know that's TRUE!!!

Please explain who hates you? the people in iraq/palestine have put your head on dolls and are burning them? please your dillusional...

Has some one (a muslim) come to you and has said to your face " i hate you?"

lol, they will attack your kidding me do you know how many mosques were deficated/defaced after 9/11? there was 0 retalition, the real muslims are taught patience.. Also its your opinion , do you know how many sites that are floating around the net promoting hate, i dont see any one bombing there house have your read editorials? in the world news section? there is alot of pros/cons to both sides created by readers yet i dont see them "dead or thereaten"

 

[Faizakafez]

It's easy to argue with Blue and tell her she's wrong for thinking this way - however, I think that if everyone were honest with themselves - most people feel a little fear regarding muslims. The news is just crawling with stories of muslims killing "senselessly" and you can't just turn that off and say to yourself, "Hmm - maybe I don't know them as well as I should." It just doesn't work that way.

i agree with your point, but lets say if the USA was not at war with IRAQ would this so called "hate" towards muslim be this high? probally not. The USA controls the media they choose to show what important. I mean lets say it was Egypt vs China.. would the north american population give a shit about egyptians and start hating them? probally not...

 

[reno240]

i agree with your point, but lets say if the USA was not at war with IRAQ would this so called "hate" towards muslim be this high? probally not. The USA controls the media they choose to show what important. I mean lets say it was Egypt vs China.. would the north american population give a shit about egyptians and start hating them? probally not...

Agree and disagree - your media point is what I agree with - However, I think 9/11 more than the Iraq war created the "hate".

 

[Faizakafez]

Agree and disagree - your media point is what I agree with - However, I think 9/11 more than the Iraq war created the "hate".

correct but what about the bombing in Spain you dont even here about that anymore, even on BBC world news 9-11 is the talk of the town. because its USA and the war on terror again links bank to the power of the US and media

 

[jnevin]

Webcasts of beheadings, daily siucide bombings, almost daily threats to the west, and people dancing in the streets when the towers fell are nothing but reasons to embrace a culture and religion that hasn't progressed for a thousand years.

 

[Faizakafez]

Webcasts of beheadings, daily siucide bombings, almost daily threats to the west, and people dancing in the streets when the towers fell are nothing but reasons to embrace a culture and religion that hasn't progressed for a thousand years.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/10/AR2006101001442.html

 

[Faizakafez]

Just to clarify here i dont agree with sucide bombing beheadings and all that crap..

countries under extremist law are poor and uneducated.

The Quran does not teach violence...its the extremist that give it a bad name then everyone jumps on the band wagon...

et la some decent Islamic countries ( Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Egypt etc)

 

[jnevin]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/10/AR2006101001442.html

"This is about 500 unexpected violent deaths per day throughout the country."

Hmm. How did they die?

 

[jnevin]

Just to clarify here i dont agree with sucide bombing beheadings and all that crap..

countries under extremist law are poor and uneducated.

The Quran does not teach violence...its the extremist that give it a bad name then everyone jumps on the band wagon...

et la some decent Islamic countries ( Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Egypt etc)

You have to understand this is what is giving Islam a bad name. That, and the fact that most Muslims silently support violence against the U.S.

 

[Faizakafez]

"This is about 500 unexpected violent deaths per day throughout the country."

Hmm. How did they die?

True, they are animals. But my argument is really against blueta feeling scared in Canada, which is complete bullshit, she has psycho friend and feels threatened by him ( im not sure if he actually said something to her but just expressed his opinion)

i also clarified my self in the previous post

 

[cindylou]

The Quran teaches violence - but no more than the Bible. They have less tolerance for us "in the west" for sure.

 

[jnevin]

True, they are animals. But my argument is really against blueta feeling scared in Canada, which is complete bullshit, she has psycho friend and feels threatened by him ( im not sure if he actually said something to her but just expressed his opinion)

i also clarified my self in the previous post

I get what you're saying, but if the U.S. got hit like we did, what would stop something from happening in Canada? If that guy is openly and constantly verbally abrasive and down on the west's way of life, I can understand how she'd feel intimidated.

 

[army_stud]

People need to realize that racism isn't a fluke. People have different cultures, with those cultures come different beliefs and idealogies....it is okay to disagree with them.

I am very much a cultural bigot. I believe the white culture is more superior on a lot of levels. I think the black culture needs major help, along with most foreign cultures.
Do I hate all black people? No..... Do I hate the culture of rap, drugs, gangsters and fatherless families? Yes... Statistically speaking, these problems are more afluent in blacks neighborhoods, there is no disputing that.

Since we've gone too far left, these inferior cultures will continue to grow and be embraced as diversity. Canada is experiencing their outcome of being too far left, France is as well with a 15% ever-growing Muslim population (remember the Muslim riots in France?). In response to the Muslim invasion, the French people almost elected Jean-Marie Le Pen, a far RIGHT candidate who wants to close the border and withdraw from the European Union. The French turning Right?!!?

Remember, Canada was the first country to adopt the "anchor baby" law. They soon saw that as a major problem and got rid of the law while America still practices it...

 

[Cal_21]

You can still be my sugar-momma even though you hate...

 

[Faizakafez]

I get what you're saying, but if the U.S. got hit like we did, what would stop something from happening in Canada? If that guy is openly and constantly verbally abrasive and down on the west's way of life, I can understand how she'd feel intimidated.

intimidated is correct, im not trying to get in a pissing match. But she said i think on the first page of this thread
" i feel scared even at home"

now that to me is a bit extreme,

I mean we all are going to go some day if your going to sit home and be scared of every little thing/crime then that is more of mental issue ( its a bit of tangent but you get what im saying)

 

[blueta2]

It's easy to argue with Blue and tell her she's wrong for thinking this way - however, I think that if everyone were honest with themselves - most people feel a little fear regarding muslims. The news is just crawling with stories of muslims killing "senselessly" and you can't just turn that off and say to yourself, "Hmm - maybe I don't know them as well as I should." It just doesn't work that way.

Correct, most ppl I know (work with and friends) feel this way. It's a subject we talk about quietly.

 

[jnevin]

intimidated is correct, im not trying to get in a pissing match. But she said i think on the first page of this thread
" i feel scared even at home"

now that to me is a bit extreme,

I mean we all are going to go some day if your going to sit home and be scared of every little thing/crime then that is more of mental issue ( its a bit of tangent but you get what im saying)

I think it was just a poorly chosen way to word it. I doubt some douchebag neighbor has made her agoraphobic.

 

[blueta2]

True, they are animals. But my argument is really against blueta feeling scared in Canada, which is complete bullshit, she has psycho friend and feels threatened by him ( im not sure if he actually said something to her but just expressed his opinion)

i also clarified my self in the previous post

Fez, my friend is not psycho. She is a very respectable person. Her husband is the hater. They do not scare me.
What scares me is if I want to speak out (like I am here) on my local paper, I will more than likely be hurt.

 

[Faizakafez]

Okay,

I can't really comment on the hurt part im sure its a valid fear and reasonable and understandable. The back lash in CDN im sure is alot less or harsh.

But anyhow i have digressed, is your friend happy with her husband?

 

[blueta2]

intimidated is correct, im not trying to get in a pissing match. But she said i think on the first page of this thread
" i feel scared even at home"

now that to me is a bit extreme,

I mean we all are going to go some day if your going to sit home and be scared of every little thing/crime then that is more of mental issue ( its a bit of tangent but you get what im saying)

"home" meaning my country. You do not think these extreme terrorist groups are all over Canada? You are foolish to believe otherwise.
I live a large city, like you, where these idiots can crash planes or blow up our buildings.
If anything TO would be hit first so I think you should be scared also.

 

[blueta2]

Okay,

I can't really comment on the hurt part im sure its a valid fear and reasonable and understandable. The back lash in CDN im sure is alot less or harsh.

But anyhow i have digressed, is your friend happy with her husband?

No, she is not happy with him. Not because he's Muslim, but b/c he is old and unexciting and smokes pipes ;-)

 

[gotmilk]

Show me your bewbs and I'll cum up to Montreal and start Terminating

 

[redsamurai]

HA!! arabic the official language of Canada?? Once the muslims hear how badly the Canucks mangle the english language........they'll just as soon leave it be. I mean, can you imagine a canuck speaking arabic? It would be like the movie Fargo............but totally tripping balls on heavy shrooms and LSD. Anyway.............I'm tired of fucking muslims thinking they'll rule the world. Like Canadians are going to give up their molson's........yeah right. And what fucking army do the muslims think they're going to cross the pacific with? Last I checked camels don't float too well............and 1950's soviet era weaponry is going to get checked by the .50 as soon as they land on the beach. Dumb mother fuckers!! Muslims would have a much greater time in the world if they just came some where and just "chilled the fuck out"!! Be muslims....whatever..............but let people around you be what they want to be. Than we'd all just go about our rat killin and enjoy and appreciate the diversity around us...............but that's not good enough for some folks is it?
And I'm completely mystified as to how these people beleive that Islam has some kind of draw in western countries? I mean, we're slowly but surely shedding off christianity............so what, we're going to go to something even more fundamental? We're going to make women wear potato sacks? What red blooded man out here is going to put up with that garbage? Sharia law is basically putting yourself under martial law..........no more no less............what's the attraction? They have to sell us on it...........and quite frankly they're terrible marketers at this juncture!

 

[redsamurai]

musclemom is 100% on point.........as usual. These folks hold onto grudges for generations.

To get to the core of the hatred in Muslims you have to go back CENTURIES to the time of the Crusades. We have a short memory, that's all. When you have nothing but sand and time, you get good at hanging onto grudges. We don't remember why they hate us because we move on and do other things. They sit around in sandstorms, bake in the heat, and remember how entire cities, men, women and children, were massacred nearly 1000 years ago, and they're still pissed about it.

While this is an EXTREME oversimplification of what's going on, it has always made the most sense to me. The thing with European decendents is that we have shifted all over the globe, so we don't have a lot of ancestral grounds, tradition and familial memories get blurred. I think when you stay in the same place your family has always been in, your people has always been in, it almost creates race memories and the other thing I think it does is create sort of a cultural stagnation, people have a hard time moving ahead, mentally.

Just my opinion.

 

[Bikini Mod]

When I lived in Paris and found myself homeless and screwed over by the people who were most LIKE ME I found that my life was saved by a man who was NOTHING like me (at least on the outside, eh?) - as in, he was a Muslim. He was a man by the name of Adham Hussein. He took me in even though he had only met me once a few days earlier and of all places, in a strip club. The man had belts that were worth 800 Euro. Could you imagine the leap of faith he took sharing his apartment with a woman who was a total stranger - and a stripper no less? It was a small place, a studio with one bed. This guy was 3 times my size and could have snapped me in two with no effort. Yet he never even looked at me *funny*, hell the guy had already seen me dancing wearing little more than 8" platform heels and a teeny little thong. All he asked from me is that I do not disturb him when he was praying. I stayed with him for 10 days or so until I found my own apartment with a Lebanese woman who I still keep in contact with today.

He never put a hand on me. He never looked at me in a sexual fashion. He never made me feel afraid. He comforted me on many occasions when I would ball for hours because I was in such a terribly dark chapter of my life: alone, no family, no REAL friend, no money and worst of all - no children....

I will never EVER forget his kindess and charity. His act of compassion changed my life forever. It was because of men like him that I didn't become bitter and jaded about the entire human race.

He was Muslim, Blue....

There is good and bad in all of us... that includes you and me. None of us is 100% good. Our behavior though is dictated by what we do with our thoughts and feelings - will we listen to the good part of us or give in to what the bad part of us dictates?

Just an odd sort of thought.... Blue as we are getting older and our senses falter and as women I think perhaps that our sense of fear comes more from THAT than anything else. I remember watching my Mama locking up the house tightly at night even though there was no real crime where she lived. But she was old and her hearing was very bad and of course, she had heard on the TV and read in the papers that old people are falling victims to murder and bodily harm and their homes are being broken into....

As I am getting older and my senses are not as sharp so I can see that I am also slowly turning into my Mama, my sister feels it too now because she is living in her house without her husband....

I think maybe your fear is more a sense of your own dwindling ability to defend yourself from an attack?

Just a thought.

 

[army_stud]

When I lived in Paris and found myself homeless and screwed over by the people who were most LIKE ME I found that my life was saved by a man who was NOTHING like me (at least on the outside, eh?) - as in, he was a Muslim. He was a man by the name of Adham Hussein. He took me in even though he had only met me once a few days earlier and of all places, in a strip club. The man had belts that were worth 800 Euro. Could you imagine the leap of faith he took sharing his apartment with a woman who was a total stranger - and a stripper no less? It was a small place, a studio with one bed. This guy was 3 times my size and could have snapped me in two with no effort. Yet he never even looked at me *funny*, hell the guy had already seen me dancing wearing little more than 8" platform heels and a teeny little thong. All he asked from me is that I do not disturb him when he was praying. I stayed with him for 10 days or so until I found my own apartment with a Lebanese woman who I still keep in contact with today.

He never put a hand on me. He never looked at me in a sexual fashion. He never made me feel afraid. He comforted me on many occasions when I would ball for hours because I was in such a terribly dark chapter of my life: alone, no family, no REAL friend, no money and worst of all - no children....

I will never EVER forget his kindess and charity. His act of compassion changed my life forever. It was because of men like him that I didn't become bitter and jaded about the entire human race.

He was Muslim, Blue....

There is good and bad in all of us... that includes you and me. None of us is 100% good. Our behavior though is dictated by what we do with our thoughts and feelings - will we listen to the good part of us or give in to what the bad part of us dictates?

Just an odd sort of thought.... Blue as we are getting older and our senses falter and as women I think perhaps that our sense of fear comes more from THAT than anything else. I remember watching my Mama locking up the house tightly at night even though there was no real crime where she lived. But she was old and her hearing was very bad and of course, she had heard on the TV and read in the papers that old people are falling victims to murder and bodily harm and their homes are being broken into....

As I am getting older and my senses are not as sharp so I can see that I am also slowly turning into my Mama, my sister feels it too now because she is living in her house without her husband....

I think maybe your fear is more a sense of your own dwindling ability to defend yourself from an attack?

Just a thought.

So you have one good experience with a Muslim and now you're their spokeswoman? Well I have about 5000 bad experiences when I lived in 7 different Muslim countries.

You're stereotyping a whole group of people by one person...Another far-gone liberal on a soap box...

 

[Bikini Mod]

So you have one good experience with a Muslim and now you're their spokeswoman? Well I have about 5000 bad experiences when I lived in 7 different Muslim countries.

You're stereotyping a whole group of people by one person...Another far-gone liberal on a soap box...

Where did you get that from?

I was also beaten up daily by black and hispanic kids from kindergarten through 8th grade because even though I was as poor as they were I was still white, not to mention European immigrant's kid but surprize, surprize I don't hate all black or hispanic people. I was treated VERY POORLY by the rich white catholic kids when I went to high school because I wasn't rich or catholic - fuck me runnin, being white didn't help me at all cause I still LOOKED hispanic. But again, surprize, surprize I don't hate all catholics, rich or white people.

What I was trying to say is that there is good and bad IN ALL OF US and that includes YOU and ME. I was trying to help Blue not limit herself by what might be an irrational and unwarranted sense of fear, maybe one that was even misguided?

Nothing more and nothing less.

Some of us try to look at the positives while apparently someone like you prefers to see only the negatives. Maybe that makes me naive, but it works for me.

 

[Sub-Zero]

So my friend just emailed me... She is an arab. In her reply, she answered me in Arabic (which she often used to), I replied that she needs to translate. She replied "You're in Canada and since Arabic will be the official language soon, you should learn"
I did not LOL!!!! Now I am distubed!
Growing up, my neighborhood was filled with Italians, Irish, Polish, blacks, French and Pakistan children. I never knew racism. My parents never taught me to hate.
We all laughed at one another’s traditions in a joking manner, but we all played together and were friends. Our parents were friends.
Well I have to say, since the insurgence of the Muslims to my area, city and country, I'm feeling like I may be a racist.
I look at some of them with such distain. How the women must cover up. How the ugly men they are married to do not allow them freedom. How they come here and suck off our system.
How they are given freedoms here that I would not be given in their country.
These women have kid after kid after kid in which our health care system pays for.
My friend who I talk about above is a Christian from Iraq. She came to this country with her entire family (11 ppl) to have a better life.
She assimilated well, but her husband, who is Muslim, is hateful (she converted even though she is against the Muslim religion)
When I met him, he called blacks "slaves" and women "maids". He would always talk about his hate for Jews and Canada and how one day this country would see how much they hate. He only came to Canada b/c his wife was coming w/or w/out his sorry ass.
He also justified (as did she) 9/11. Saying "they" deserved it!
I asked Nora why So much hate?! She said where they are from, they are taught to hate. Her as a Christian was also taught to hate.
I was young and naive then, so didn't quiet get it.
Why doesn't anyone speak out against the hate many of these Muslims breed? Because they will have to fear for their lives if they do?
I’m not so much talking about their religion, b/c I believe ALL religions are a total joke. But who these people are in general.
I'm not saying all Muslims are bad and I am all for diversity (hell I grew up in the largest multi cultural society in North America), but when do we say enough is enough and stop allowing them access to peaceful countries?
I really never thought in my entire life I would be hard core like this. Am I a racist or do I just hate what these ppl stand for?!

sounds like your friends with some pretty simple minded idiots. you both sound great for eachother

 

[Sub-Zero]

I do have to say this - I HATE when people settle in a new country and then bash it!!

agreed

 

[army_stud]

Where did you get that from?

I was also beaten up daily by black and hispanic kids from kindergarten through 8th grade because even though I was as poor as they were I was still white, not to mention European immigrant's kid but surprize, surprize I don't hate all black or hispanic people. I was treated VERY POORLY by the rich white catholic kids when I went to high school because I wasn't rich or catholic - fuck me runnin, being white didn't help me at all cause I still LOOKED hispanic. But again, surprize, surprize I don't hate all catholics, rich or white people.

What I was trying to say is that there is good and bad IN ALL OF US and that includes YOU and ME. I was trying to help Blue not limit herself by what might be an irrational and unwarranted sense of fear, maybe one that was even misguided?

Nothing more and nothing less.

Some of us try to look at the positives while apparently someone like you prefers to see only the negatives. Maybe that makes me naive, but it works for me.

Beaten up through the 8th grade, treated badly by the catholics, lived on the streets of France...Wow, you've lived a wonderful life!

I'm not getting into another spiel because someone that limits their intelect by living in a fantasy world is hardly worth the time.

 

[Bikini Mod]

Beaten up through the 8th grade, treated badly by the catholics, lived on the streets of France...Wow, you've lived a wonderful life!

I'm not getting into another spiel because someone that limits their intelect by living in a fantasy world is hardly worth the time.

When you can not offer an intelligent rebuttal during an intelligent discourse you resort to degradation and name-calling. Do you think that increases or diminishes the strength of your arguement?

You are hate-filled and I feel sorry for you. But that is YOUR CROSS to bear. It is one that you willingly took upon your back. Don't blame all the Muslims or the Jews or Christians or whomever. I am certain that we would have no shortage of piss-poor examples of human beings in EVERY religious group (or any group for that matter). Point the finger where it belongs = in the mirror.

A lot of bad things have happened to me, 'tis true and yet, remarkably I still do not bear resentment towards ENTIRE GROUPS OF PEOPLE based on the actions of some individuals who belong to those groups. I prefer to judge each individual based on the content of their character alone.

Silly me.

 

[blueta2]

When I lived in Paris and found myself homeless and screwed over by the people who were most LIKE ME I found that my life was saved by a man who was NOTHING like me (at least on the outside, eh?) - as in, he was a Muslim. He was a man by the name of Adham Hussein. He took me in even though he had only met me once a few days earlier and of all places, in a strip club. The man had belts that were worth 800 Euro. Could you imagine the leap of faith he took sharing his apartment with a woman who was a total stranger - and a stripper no less? It was a small place, a studio with one bed. This guy was 3 times my size and could have snapped me in two with no effort. Yet he never even looked at me *funny*, hell the guy had already seen me dancing wearing little more than 8" platform heels and a teeny little thong. All he asked from me is that I do not disturb him when he was praying. I stayed with him for 10 days or so until I found my own apartment with a Lebanese woman who I still keep in contact with today.

He never put a hand on me. He never looked at me in a sexual fashion. He never made me feel afraid. He comforted me on many occasions when I would ball for hours because I was in such a terribly dark chapter of my life: alone, no family, no REAL friend, no money and worst of all - no children....

I will never EVER forget his kindess and charity. His act of compassion changed my life forever. It was because of men like him that I didn't become bitter and jaded about the entire human race.

He was Muslim, Blue....

There is good and bad in all of us... that includes you and me. None of us is 100% good. Our behavior though is dictated by what we do with our thoughts and feelings - will we listen to the good part of us or give in to what the bad part of us dictates?

Just an odd sort of thought.... Blue as we are getting older and our senses falter and as women I think perhaps that our sense of fear comes more from THAT than anything else. I remember watching my Mama locking up the house tightly at night even though there was no real crime where she lived. But she was old and her hearing was very bad and of course, she had heard on the TV and read in the papers that old people are falling victims to murder and bodily harm and their homes are being broken into....

As I am getting older and my senses are not as sharp so I can see that I am also slowly turning into my Mama, my sister feels it too now because she is living in her house without her husband....

I think maybe your fear is more a sense of your own dwindling ability to defend yourself from an attack?

Just a thought.

You're off here actually. My friend Nora is a Muslim and I trust her and her family immensely. And I don't fear attacks in my home. Believe me, age has not taken my senses away. I live alone and administer many rental properties in which I've dealt with violent tenants. I kicked a bunch of Jamaican drug dealers out of an apt once. I had some fear they may come back and attack me, but not enough fear about it that I didn't NOT throw the dirt bags out on the street.
I know not all Muslims are bad, I never said that. What I fear is the influx of Muslims perpetuating violence in my country.
I mean look at the Muslims who were caught last month. Most were Dr's. Because a man feeds you and lets you live with him doesn't mean he's not hiding something (not saying he was).
Most terrorist cells live normal lives. They hide their hate very well.

 

[Bikini Mod]

You're off here actually. My friend Nora is a Muslim and I trust her and her family immensely. And I don't fear attacks in my home. Believe me, age has not taken my senses away. I live alone and administer many rental properties in which I've dealt with violent tenants. I kicked a bunch of Jamaican drug dealers out of an apt once. I had some fear they may come back and attack me, but not enough fear about it that I didn't NOT throw the dirt bags out on the street.
I know not all Muslims are bad, I never said that. What I fear is the influx of Muslims perpetuating violence in my country.
I mean look at the Muslims who were caught last month. Most were Dr's. Because a man feeds you and lets you live with him doesn't mean he's not hiding something (not saying he was).
Most terrorist cells live normal lives. They hide their hate very well.

OK I was wrong about the senses diminshing thing. I suppose I was just trying to find an explanation for something that I don't understand. I hope that you can find peace.

 

[blueta2]

sounds like your friends with some pretty simple minded idiots. you both sound great for eachother

well.......least I have friends and get laid on a reg basis

 

[Cal_21]

well.......least I have friends and get laid on a reg basis

http://youtube.com/watch?v=05kcNILlNnQ

 

[blueta2]

OK I was wrong about the senses diminshing thing. I suppose I was just trying to find an explanation for something that I don't understand. I hope that you can find peace.

I will find peace when they invent a calorie free choc. chip cookie ;-)

I do hear you though...I feel unrest with this. Daily I put the news on or read the news and I hear about so much violence.
I mean I live in a large city where the murder rate in a yr is about 80 ppl. We are so non violent up here so yeah this makes me nervous.

 

[cindylou]

I will find peace when they invent a calorie free choc. chip cookie ;-)
I do hear you though...I feel unrest with this. Daily I put the news on or read the news and I hear about so much violence.
I mean I live in a large city where the murder rate in a yr is about 80 ppl. We are so non violent up here so yeah this makes me nervous.

AMEN SISTER!

 

[blueta2]

HA!! arabic the official language of Canada?? Once the muslims hear how badly the Canucks mangle the english language........they'll just as soon leave it be. I mean, can you imagine a canuck speaking arabic? It would be like the movie Fargo............but totally tripping balls on heavy shrooms and LSD. Anyway.............I'm tired of fucking muslims thinking they'll rule the world. Like Canadians are going to give up their molson's........yeah right. And what fucking army do the muslims think they're going to cross the pacific with? Last I checked camels don't float too well............and 1950's soviet era weaponry is going to get checked by the .50 as soon as they land on the beach. Dumb mother fuckers!! Muslims would have a much greater time in the world if they just came some where and just "chilled the fuck out"!! Be muslims....whatever..............but let people around you be what they want to be. Than we'd all just go about our rat killin and enjoy and appreciate the diversity around us...............but that's not good enough for some folks is it?
And I'm completely mystified as to how these people beleive that Islam has some kind of draw in western countries? I mean, we're slowly but surely shedding off christianity............so what, we're going to go to something even more fundamental? We're going to make women wear potato sacks? What red blooded man out here is going to put up with that garbage? Sharia law is basically putting yourself under martial law..........no more no less............what's the attraction? They have to sell us on it...........and quite frankly they're terrible marketers at this juncture!

Fargo....hahah! I love that movie. But we do not talk like that.
Well maybe in the East, but we have a good command of the English language EH ;-)

 

[binö]

everytime i start to feel racist i end up meeting somebody that changes my neg opinion.
i'm still holding fast to the idea that the avg muslim is no different than anyone else, just wants to work and feed his family

 

[Sub-Zero]

well.......least I have friends and get laid on a reg basis

i have friends who arnt lunatic america haters. and actually have brains.

 

[Bikini Mod]

everytime i start to feel racist i end up meeting somebody that changes my neg opinion.
i'm still holding fast to the idea that the avg muslim is no different than anyone else, just wants to work and feed his family

This is all that I was trying to say...

There is good and bad in EVERYONE that includes YOU and ME.

Let us TRY to strive to judge individuals based on the content of their character alone. Fantasy land? Maybe.... but it works for me and I don't have to put anyone down or name-call to live in that fantasy land.

 

[blueta2]

i have friends who arnt lunatic america haters. and actually have brains.

Maybe the ones with brains can help you out? just a thought....

 

[-SD-]

welcome to the "religion of peace"

 

[EnderJE]

musclemom is 100% on point.........as usual. These folks hold onto grudges for generations.

Wow, if that's true...then some group needs to start letting go.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Maybe the ones with brains can help you out? just a thought....

pretty clever reversal coming from someone who judges entire groups of people based on the thoughts of one family who happens to be of a particular religion.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

I'm not saying all Muslims are bad and I am all for diversity (hell I grew up in the largest multi cultural society in North America), but when do we say enough is enough and stop allowing them access to peaceful countries?
I really never thought in my entire life I would be hard core like this. Am I a racist or do I just hate what these ppl stand for?!

I thought you grew up in MTL not Toronto?

Either way my thought on all this is why spend your time thoughts and energy on something so negative? Hate racism etc has been around for thousands of years although things have progressed it will be around in another thousand years. So why waste your time thinking about it?

 

[redsamurai]

Wow, if that's true...then some group needs to start letting go.

dude, the whole shiite vs. sunni thing is like 1800 years old. And it's not like one side has different beleifs than the other.........it's just a matter of "who was mohammeds successor". One side beleives it was one guy and one side another guy...........that's what it boils down to. Ridiculous!! And if you think the Iranians have forgotten about us putting the shaw in power in '52............well..................you can see where this is going.

 

[blueta2]

I thought you grew up in MTL not Toronto?

Either way my thought on all this is why spend your time thoughts and energy on something so negative? Hate racism etc has been around for thousands of years although things have progressed it will be around in another thousand years. So why waste your time thinking about it?

D, Montreal has been multi cultural a lot longer than TO. Remember, we were the the biggest city in Canada before all the Montrealers moved down the 401. You only know TO since the influx, you didn't know TO before since you're under 30.

My thread was not created in the hopes of "curing" or combating" racism. Nor am I wasting my time thinking about it. It's a real issue that we're all facing.
My mind expands to more than weights, make-up and mundane daily life.
I'm a thinker and a doer. I write article that get published in the Montreal Gazette because I try to find solutions......working on solutions is not a waste of my time.

 

[Hengst]

Blueta2 -

What you are experiencing is known as Cognative Dissonance.

Cognative Dissonance occurs when reality runs into theory. Mulitcultural Social theory basically states all cultures are equal, every person and group of people are equal and that only white/western europeans (and their decendants in North and South America and Africa) are capable of rasism. BUT your own eyes and experiences are telling you something completely different and contrary to what you have been taught.

This dissonance manifests itself in your mind and body by creating stress (distress). You are stressed out that your experiences are different than what you were taught. (I hate that I feel this way...)

I have to congratulate you because this stress you are feeling means you are waking up to the lies of Multicultural social theory. All I can suggest is for you to continue to question accepted social dogma, use your feelings of stress to fight political correctness (which helps to prevent you from thinking critically) and never apologize for feeling this way.

To help you continue your journey to awareness, I recommend you read this:
http://www.academia.org/lectures/lind1.html

 

[BNG]

There are many levels of this that have deep roots. I believe it's not only a culture difference that makes you feel uneasy, but a natural self-preservation instinct.

The U.S. has set up a system that gives away so much to foreigners that they are flocking to this country to collect. Our liberal minded peeps don't understand that an economy can't support this for ever and will ultimately ruin itself. History repeats itself.

If you want a good example of what happens when you don't control immigration, ask the Native Americans.

 

[blueta2]

Blueta2 -

What you are experiencing is known as Cognative Dissonance.

Cognative Dissonance occurs when reality runs into theory. Mulitcultural Social theory basically states all cultures are equal, every person and group of people are equal and that only white/western europeans (and their decendants in North and South America and Africa) are capable of rasism. BUT your own eyes and experiences are telling you something completely different and contrary to what you have been taught.

This dissonance manifests itself in your mind and body by creating stress (distress). You are stressed out that your experiences are different than what you were taught. (I hate that I feel this way...)

I have to congratulate you because this stress you are feeling means you are waking up to the lies of Multicultural social theory. All I can suggest is for you to continue to question accepted social dogma, use your feelings of stress to fight political correctness (which helps to prevent you from thinking critically) and never apologize for feeling this way.

To help you continue your journey to awareness, I recommend you read this:
http://www.academia.org/lectures/lind1.html

Thanks for the link....I will print and read at my lunch.
Very interesting insight also...thanks

 

[blueta2]

There are many levels of this that have deep roots. I believe it's not only a culture difference that makes you feel uneasy, but a natural self-preservation instinct.

The U.S. has set up a system that gives away so much to foreigners that they are flocking to this country to collect. Our liberal minded peeps don't understand that an economy can't support this for ever and will ultimately ruin itself. History repeats itself.

If you want a good example of what happens when you don't control immigration, ask the Native Americans.

The Canadian govn't has done the same. Many immigrants come to Canada and have full health care and welfare w/in 3 months.
I've been paying taxes for over 25 yrs and they come in and have the same wait time as I to see a Dr.
My friend that I was talking about in this thread told me that when they were planning on whether to come to Canada or the US, everyone told them Canada b/c they give you everything for free. She's right!

Self preservation is a good way to put it......