Hardcore cycle

[grec]

Hi guys !I'm going to start in december a new cycle, hopefully a good one ! Would you mind giving me
some insight ?
Here are my stats :age: 27 years oldweight: 98 kilos, that would be 215-216 pounds I thinkheight: 1.90 cmbeen training for 5 years seriously, 8 years in totalI'm kinda the massive guy, not the shredded one...Here is my cycle: bear in mind I want to gain lean muscle mass while at the end shedding
some extra fat !
No need to talk about diet, I'm quite strict on it all year round, train regularly, 5 times/week
20 weeks on GH, 4 iu/day : first time ever for me ! Morning or post workout?

Week 1 : I usually do what I call front loading : meaning I take more product in the first week,
just to get it going and because of the half life of the product (u must know, so i won't
elaborate). So basically week 1 I will use 500 mg os sustanon and 600mg of deca and
1 oxymetholone/day

Week 2: 250 mg of sust, 300 mg of deca, 1 oxymetholone/day

Week 3- 6: 250 mg sust + 300 mg of deca

Week 1-6: adding 20 mg tamoxifen if needed (sensible to gyno)

Week 7 -13 : 100 mg of T propionate 3 times/week; 75 mg tren acetate 3 times/week,
Winstrol 50 mg 3 times/week, Proviron 25 mg/day

Week 11: 25µg of cynomel (T3)/day

Week 12-13 : 25µg of cynomel/day + 0.2 to 0.4 of clenbuterol/day
Then I want to use anavar (used it before, it's just great !!!) : I don't know when it should be
best using it : bridging between week 5 and week 8 (when i switch from sust+deca to
tren+propio)? or at the end of the cycle week 10-13 ? Anyway the dosage would be of
50mg/day
PCT:Week 14 : HCG 1500 iu every 3 days; 1 clomid/day, 20 mg tamo/day; + 0.2 to 0.4 of
clenbuterol/day

week 15: HCG 1500 iu every 3 days; 1 clomid/day, 20 mg tamo/day, ECA stack (ephedrine,
caffeine, aspirin)

week 16: 1 clomid/day, 20 mg tamo/day; ECA stack

week 17: 20mg tamo/day

week 18-19 : 0.2 to 0.4 of clenbuterol/day
That's pretty much it ! So, what do u think ?

 

[RADAR]

is this your first cycle ?

 

[grec]

worng : my first cycle was T enanth (not sust) and dbol

 

[grec]

sorry, forgot to mention !

I've done 8 cycle till now : my first one was dbol only (LOL) ! then I did another one T enant only; my 3rd one was deca only. Then I started stacking. Didn't want to cycle before I knew a little bit more on what gear wrks best with me ! 4th cycle : sust dbol; 5th : tren (10weeks) & winstrol (last 4 weeks); 6th: sust, deca, oxymetholone; 7th : tren, t propio winstrol ; 8th: tren T propio anavar ...
that's bout it . When I started stacking i did the same PCT i posted in the previous mess. Before, I didn't do any PCT...

 

[d_rson]

Hi guys !I'm going to start in december a new cycle, hopefully a good one ! Would you mind giving me
some insight ?
Here are my stats :age: 27 years oldweight: 98 kilos, that would be 215-216 pounds I thinkheight: 1.90 cmbeen training for 5 years seriously, 8 years in totalI'm kinda the massive guy, not the shredded one...Here is my cycle: bear in mind I want to gain lean muscle mass while at the end shedding
some extra fat !
No need to talk about diet, I'm quite strict on it all year round, train regularly, 5 times/week
20 weeks on GH, 4 iu/day : first time ever for me ! Morning or post workout?

Week 1 : I usually do what I call front loading : meaning I take more product in the first week,
just to get it going and because of the half life of the product (u must know, so i won't
elaborate). So basically week 1 I will use 500 mg os sustanon and 600mg of deca and
1 oxymetholone/day

Week 2: 250 mg of sust, 300 mg of deca, 1 oxymetholone/day

Week 3- 6: 250 mg sust + 300 mg of deca

Week 1-6: adding 20 mg tamoxifen if needed (sensible to gyno)

Week 7 -13 : 100 mg of T propionate 3 times/week; 75 mg tren acetate 3 times/week,
Winstrol 50 mg 3 times/week, Proviron 25 mg/day

Week 11: 25µg of cynomel (T3)/day

Week 12-13 : 25µg of cynomel/day + 0.2 to 0.4 of clenbuterol/day
Then I want to use anavar (used it before, it's just great !!!) : I don't know when it should be
best using it : bridging between week 5 and week 8 (when i switch from sust+deca to
tren+propio)? or at the end of the cycle week 10-13 ? Anyway the dosage would be of
50mg/day
PCT:Week 14 : HCG 1500 iu every 3 days; 1 clomid/day, 20 mg tamo/day; + 0.2 to 0.4 of
clenbuterol/day

week 15: HCG 1500 iu every 3 days; 1 clomid/day, 20 mg tamo/day, ECA stack (ephedrine,
caffeine, aspirin)

week 16: 1 clomid/day, 20 mg tamo/day; ECA stack

week 17: 20mg tamo/day

week 18-19 : 0.2 to 0.4 of clenbuterol/day
That's pretty much it ! So, what do u think ?

Your cycle looks like a hodge-podge of a bulker and a cutter smashed together and is resultantly too short on both ends. It also looks old school with the use of nolva during cycle instead of an AI (and nolva with deca and tren is dangerous), and a long run of HCG for TWO weeks and nolva and clomid for PCT. Your first part of the cycle seems weak even for the front load, with only 250mg test and 300mg deca and 1 drol a day (and only for two weeks). Come to think of it, the second part looks weak too, at 300mg prop, 250mg tren, and 150mg winny every week.

It seems like you're trying to use a bunch of compounds, but you're either not using enough, or for too short.

When I read something this complicated, unless it's a prep for a competition of some other special event, I feel it's overkill.

Based on your dosages, unless you are 140lbs that is, I'd say stick to two-three compounds for 8-10 weeks for your bulker, then later do the cutter.

What are your stats, height weight, etc?

 

[RADAR]

Your cycle looks like a hodge-podge of a bulker and a cutter smashed together and is resultantly too short on both ends. It also looks old school with the use of nolva during cycle instead of an AI (and nolva with deca and tren is dangerous), and a long run of HCG for TWO weeks and nolva and clomid for PCT. Your first part of the cycle seems weak even for the front load, with only 250mg test and 300mg deca and 1 drol a day (and only for two weeks). Come to think of it, the second part looks weak too, at 300mg prop, 250mg tren, and 150mg winny every week.

It seems like you're trying to use a bunch of compounds, but you're either not using enough, or for too short.

When I read something this complicated, unless it's a prep for a competition of some other special event, I feel it's overkill.

Based on your dosages, unless you are 140lbs that is, I'd say stick to two-three compounds for 8-10 weeks for your bulker, then later do the cutter.

What are your stats, height weight, etc?

Agree with d_rson

 

[brandonp005]

Agree with d_rson

Me 2

 

[grec]

Hi guys!
Thanks for the insight! I'm really looking for some good advices so I do things good!
I'm 1.90 tall and weight 98kilos. 100kilos on bench press (4reps, it's my weak part), 160kilos for 6reps(squat, that's my best bodypart, people say me that my thighs are too big to match my upper body)... I keep my diet all year round so don't have much fat (though I don't see my abs...). My goal is to put on some lean mass and get cut. Not really a big fan of big bulking cycles. From what I've read when using hgh, don't need to charge too much with gear... From what I've read a 12 week cycle is the maximum that should be done. I thought that this cycle was 2in1 and figured that it wasn't the best choice.
Concerning the use of nolva, it's because I'm Uitenhage sensitive to gyno (i had with only 250mg of text/week!!
What would u suggest? 8 weeks mass and then how much for a cutting phase? Would it be too much asking u to give me an example of what u think I should do? I would greatly appreciate it! Really!
Concerning pct, I copied the one that William llewellyn edited in his book (anabolic steroids) and which he said to be quite effective! I especially want to do this one right, I know that without pct I'm screwed! Lol!

 

[grec]

Arg damn iPhone, didn't finish my post:
Do u think I should do a 20week cycle? Isn't that too long? Won't it shut me down too much?
What do u suggest instead of nolva? Arimidex?

Thanks for the time u're taking to help me out on this, really appreciate it!
Thanks!

 

[moya]

honestly, looking at your past cycles, and what you have planned, you need to just forget everything you know about steroids and start all your research over...
if you cant see your abs, then you are not very lean, and considering that is the look you are going for, your diet probably needs some work, please post that up too...

 

[grec]

Ok ! thanks for your opinion !

 

[stevesmi]

you can only bench your weight. why is that? you may need to re-evaluate your workouts. OR

have you done a blood test lately? i have a sneaky suspicion after all these cycles you have done only being able to bench just ur bw that you have severe suppression. did u allow yourself to recover before all those cycles? i bet you jumped on a new cycle too fast. hope I am wrong.

after all those cycles to still not be where you want to be is a little scary. and you said you are a bulky guy, you should be able to bench 125+ pounds more then you weigh. I'm 185 and maxed out 315 and thats just after 2 cycles. that is a good standard for a steroid user who is experienced. some of the guy on here can get close to 2X their bw.

post up some pics, your test levels, diet, and even bf% (dont estimate, get it tested) .. that would help a lot evaluate what is going on.... we will definately be able to steer you in the right direction with the right information provided.

 

[grec]

Ok thanks, will do ! Dunno why I can't lift heavy on the bench press. What's funny, is that I have proportionally bigger pecs compared to the weight I'm lifting. There are no pb concerning how much I lift on deadlifts or rowing, neither for shoulders. My quads are quite massive as said before (bigger than my upper body), AND you can see the separations on the thighs (all year round). On gear I lift of course heavier than this, but off that's always what comes out: my pecs are weak even if they look massive. I tried to change my training. Tried lots of things : 3x/week, 4xtimes/week etc... trying to change program every 3-4 months or when I'm bored. As u said, I am probably doing something wrong....
Concerning the cycles, I've waited every time like 4 to 6 months, considering that especially first cycles lasted 6-8 weeks. Only 2 lasted 12 weeks....
Thanks for your time, will go have an appointment with my doctor for the bf% and will keep u posted. I'll post also my actual diet.
thanks

 

[geronamo]

Whats your diet like? To be honest, at your height 98kgs aint really that massive.. And if you cant see your abs I suspect you arent as lean as you think.. Post us up your usual diet, Im sure everyone will be happy to chime in with their thoughts. That is very bizzare that after all the drugs you have used that your bench is so weak?? Which makes me want to start from scratch.. so yeah put up your diet and try figure out where your going wrong..

 

[zack!!!]

anyone els think his use of hcg was a little over the top , why dont u try use it during your cycle ?

 

[grec]

well the thing is that I have only 5000ui/ml vials available here, so trying to dose 500 ui during a cycle would be like hell of a job...

 

[zack!!!]

with 2ml of bac water in the vial, 10 units on a .5ml slin pin is 250ui im not sure if that will help u but thats how i do it