gyno surgery advice.. please respond. (or if you know a lot.. Ulter?Macro?)

[DIVISION]

Here is a different way to look at it... (maybe).

He only got this going through puberty. He has run cycles without nolvadex and never had it to increase or get sore or anything. It just sits there.

Suppose you eliminate the E2 and desensitize the gland. Ok... if he gland was already sensitive, wouldn't it still be getting bigger with his AAS use?

Obviously, the nolvadex sounds like the best route. 60mg, taken as 20mg 3x daily?

Ok, AAP.

If the gland was desensitized, you should not see any growth from further AAS use.

I would advise him to do 50-100MG ed for a period of 3 weeks for the initial phase and then if he notices a regression in glandular growth, he can take it back down to a maintainance dose of 10-20MG ed.

In this situation you want to saturate the gland initually to see if this therapy will work, and then you can modify dosage from there.



DIV

 

[Ulter]

I keep using the word cure because that's the word the doctors use in describing their patients. I don't know if you just want to believe whatever you believe and disregard the clinical proof or if you just don't understand this. There are plenty of people who want to keep their opinions regardless of the facts.

 

[Ulter]

AAP, I never got to your post. Sorry
If what you're describing is the onset of fibrosis then it's too late to help him with Nolva. Once the hyperplasia of the duct is replaced with fibrosis he's toast.

 

[ceo]

The point is surgery is the %100 cure

oh really?

well, for me tamoxifen was the 100% cure. After 2 surgeries my gynecomastia grew back each time, without being on any anabolics. But hey what the fuck do I know? What the fuck do any of these MD's and PhD's and MD, PhD's doing all this research know?

I'm sure all of you here with your "real world" experience know more than them because hey, if something did or didn't work for you then everyone must be the same, and surgery is the only option for everyone.

I wish I had tried tamoxifen before some fucking surgeon convinced me that surgery was the only option. Of course he wouldn't have gotten paid had I tried tamoxifen first, because I never would've needed surgery.

The way some of you here go on about surgery being the only eventual option, you'd think you were getting a kickback from the surgeon.

 

[ceo]

You keep using the word cure. You haven't cured anything. Just because your reduce and desensitize the gland doesn't mean that it can't be inflamed again. This gives false hope to bro's that think they are now free and clear. They are not. The possibility still exists that the gland will become inflamed again.

2 surgeries gave me false hope. Come to think of it, after surgery #2, I asked the surgeon if it could come back again, and he said he couldn't guarantee me that it wouldn't. I think anyone guaranteeing that gyno wont come back after surgery is giving false hope.

I had my gland removed twice and the gyno came back...you wanna send me $2000??? PM me and I'll give you my info on where to send it (cash or MO only please).

People take Tapazole or PTU to suppress a hyperactive thyroid gland. They do this in leiu of surgery or radioactive iodine treatment. Usually one radioiodine treatment is enough to solve the problem, my dad had to have two treatments. The gland is still there however. It's just not producing T3 or T4. Now my dad has to take Synthyroid every day.
Most times Tapazole will reverse hypertyhroidism in anywhere from 1 to 4 years. The gland is still there but now the patient is euthyroid (producing normal amounts of T3 & T4). This is what I'm hoping for with my hyperthyroidism. I'd rather take my chances with Tapazole before I had to go the radioiodine route...and surgery would be my LAST option!

 

[flyin j]

oh really?

well, for me tamoxifen was the 100% cure. After 2 surgeries my gynecomastia grew back each time, without being on any anabolics. But hey what the fuck do I know? What the fuck do any of these MD's and PhD's and MD, PhD's doing all this research know?

I'm sure all of you here with your "real world" experience know more than them because hey, if something did or didn't work for you then everyone must be the same, and surgery is the only option for everyone.

I wish I had tried tamoxifen before some fucking surgeon convinced me that surgery was the only option. Of course he wouldn't have gotten paid had I tried tamoxifen first, because I never would've needed surgery.

The way some of you here go on about surgery being the only eventual option, you'd think you were getting a kickback from the surgeon.

Yeah i agree, everybodys different. Hopefully nolva works for me ill let you all know in about 2 to 3 months, ive never had that hard lump or anything like that or even much pain, the only time i have any pain is in the early morning then it goes away through the day to the point where i can push on the area and feel nothing theres definatly no "hard lump" with mine, but ive had the fattyness ever since puberty thats for sure, even when i was 16 and 17 at 6'2 165 there was still a little puffyness hopefully nolva does the trick.





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[ceo]

Here is a different way to look at it... (maybe).

He only got this going through puberty. He has run cycles without nolvadex and never had it to increase or get sore or anything. It just sits there.

Suppose you eliminate the E2 and desensitize the gland. Ok... if he gland was already sensitive, wouldn't it still be getting bigger with his AAS use?

Obviously, the nolvadex sounds like the best route. 60mg, taken as 20mg 3x daily?

I'd go with the Nolvadex as I originally outlined it, tapering the dose down. Best to do this without being on cycle. At least have him TRY tamoxifen first. If the gyno doesn't budge, then look into surgery.
I have recommended this to many people, and it has met with great success. I have heard back from several people here on EF even, over the past couple years who have had it work for them too.

 

[AAP]

AAP, I never got to your post. Sorry
If what you're describing is the onset of fibrosis then it's too late to help him with Nolva. Once the hyperplasia of the duct is replaced with fibrosis he's toast.

Is there any way to determing if it is fibrosis? I mean, it feels really solid. Not lumpy or putty feeling.

 

[AAP]

you guys that have had the surgery.... did your insurance pay for it?

 

[ericahls]

2 surgeries gave me false hope. Come to think of it, after surgery #2, I asked the surgeon if it could come back again, and he said he couldn't guarantee me that it wouldn't. I think anyone guaranteeing that gyno wont come back after surgery is giving false hope.

I had my gland removed twice and the gyno came back...you wanna send me $2000??? PM me and I'll give you my info on where to send it (cash or MO only please).

People take Tapazole or PTU to suppress a hyperactive thyroid gland. They do this in leiu of surgery or radioactive iodine treatment. Usually one radioiodine treatment is enough to solve the problem, my dad had to have two treatments. The gland is still there however. It's just not producing T3 or T4. Now my dad has to take Synthyroid every day.
Most times Tapazole will reverse hypertyhroidism in anywhere from 1 to 4 years. The gland is still there but now the patient is euthyroid (producing normal amounts of T3 & T4). This is what I'm hoping for with my hyperthyroidism. I'd rather take my chances with Tapazole before I had to go the radioiodine route...and surgery would be my LAST option!

Bro,

I am truly sorry to hear about what you went through that really sucks. My plastic surgeon told my that he uses a technique where “fat flaps’ are used to contour and shape the chest instead of the gland. Unfortunately many surgeons use pieces of the gland to keep the chest, especially under the nipple region, from sinking in. This is problematic because the gland pieces left behind can still be stimulated and re-grow. I bet that if you ask your surgeon that he will tell you he did just that. Which unfortunately goes back to my original point. The gland is still there and since you obviously have a condition that continues to stimulate the gland you continued to have re-growth.

Using drugs like Nolva and Ferma are great for preventing the onset of gyno but once you get it, you got it especially once it becomes fibrous.