GOP pledge to america?

[redsamurai]

Er, contract with america?

yeah this sounds awful familiar. A whole bunch of nothing and when they're back in power they'll try to find who BO is playing stinky pinky with and this will just take up all their time and we'll all get caught up in another 7-9 months of "nothing" while the country continues to suffer and under poor and inept management. What's so distressing is there's "NOBODY" out there that just wants to come in and get the job done that needs to get done. Nobody....not dems, not reps, not those retarded tea baggers...nobody! Everyone talks their shit up and slides their respective "agendas" right in through the backdoor....and I mean that not figuratively. THey literally finger bang us to our faces while they tell us all the shit theyr'e going to fix but not the slightest clue how they're going to do it.

Cause they don't know. Nobody in the public nor the private sector has any idea what to do...and that's the big secret, the elephant in the room they hope nobody notices. They just don't know. We simply got too complicated.

 

[miplank]

 

[jnevin]

I know. It sounds completely unlike anything any other polititian has said.


Ever

 

[mrplunkey]

At least we know what "Hope and Change" means in political-speak now.

It means people get screwed-over, the country gets weaker and we get 10% unemployment to boot.

 

[Mr. dB]

Contract On America Part Deux.

This has Newt Gingrich written all over it, circa 1994.

 

[bakemeacookie]

They had 8 years with Bush to prove themselves already. Then again, they didn't hand out $17T to wall st either like that other party so hence why the economy is even shittier. So they both suck!

c

 

[redsamurai]

They just....don't.....know.

Wall street has done a marvelous job of embedding themselves in our economy so tightly that if they go, we go. So they can now do fuck all they want cause they own everybody that assumes any sort of power. That's all the political party's ever were....people just trying to get a piece of the pie cause they all knew public service simply meant getting your pockets lined in some form or another by the private sector.

I am very slowly coming around to the wild wild west philosophy of miscessian economics. Fundamentally it disgusts me to the core, but the current corruptive culture has me thinking there's simply no other way. Our form of capitalism has ruined this country.....cause it ain't "really" capitalism. I"m not going into details cause it's just too much....but if any of you care visit misces.org. It's libertarianism on steroids basically. Miscessians ultimate ideal is utterly no form of govt. whatsoever....I don't hold to that, I still think we need some form of regulatory body...but how do you keep that from getting corrupted? I dunno. Keeping as "simple" as possible is my only opinion. THe less complex, the easier it is to see who's cheating. Govt. literally has to come down to providing the bare minimum...police, fire etc. And nothing more. No more military, no nothing......of course that's a tough pill to swallow for too many people who like being able to point our military at people and tell em what to do.

We had chances to transition this peacefully...Perot, RP....we chose to continue being entertained by the broadway act. Now I don't think anything changes unless basically the entire country says' we ain't payin "DICK" in federal taxes until something gives. The whole country has to do it though.

 

[Mr. dB]

Mises, not Misces. The man's name was Ludwig Von Mises.

 

[ceo]

Er, contract with america?

yeah this sounds awful familiar. A whole bunch of nothing and when they're back in power they'll try to find who BO is playing stinky pinky with and this will just take up all their time and we'll all get caught up in another 7-9 months of "nothing" while the country continues to suffer and under poor and inept management. What's so distressing is there's "NOBODY" out there that just wants to come in and get the job done that needs to get done. Nobody....not dems, not reps, not those retarded tea baggers...nobody! Everyone talks their shit up and slides their respective "agendas" right in through the backdoor....and I mean that not figuratively. THey literally finger bang us to our faces while they tell us all the shit theyr'e going to fix but not the slightest clue how they're going to do it.

Cause they don't know. Nobody in the public nor the private sector has any idea what to do...and that's the big secret, the elephant in the room they hope nobody notices. They just don't know. We simply got too complicated.

this is why they should all be shot after one term. wouldn't that save us a lot of money? and only people who were really serious about making the US a better place to the point they would die for it, would run.

 

[Mr. dB]

When Newt trotted out the Contract On America in 1994, did any of it result in legislation, or was it just PR that only lasted until the Congress of 1995 was inaugurated?

 

[binö]

seems to work best with a dem in the whitehouse and congress firmly gop.

 

[mrplunkey]

When Newt trotted out the Contract On America in 1994, did any of it result in legislation, or was it just PR that only lasted until the Congress of 1995 was inaugurated?

I'd settle for complete and total gridlock. If we didn't have a single piece of new legislation or administrative rule for the next 2-4 years, we'd be far better off.

I'm just afraid these idiots (Republicans and Democrats) will make things even worse. I wish we could just quietly bankrupt in peace like we're already programmed to do. At least that would bring some certainty to the economy until 2017-2020 and by then, people will have time to diversify. If they haven't hedged against the US dollar by then, they deserve what they get.

 

[redsamurai]

When Newt trotted out the Contract On America in 1994, did any of it result in legislation, or was it just PR that only lasted until the Congress of 1995 was inaugurated?

what, nailing Clinton for bangin an intern wasn't enough for you? Man, did you actually expect them to do something?

 

[redsamurai]

I'd settle for complete and total gridlock. If we didn't have a single piece of new legislation or administrative rule for the next 2-4 years, we'd be far better off.

I'm just afraid these idiots (Republicans and Democrats) will make things even worse. I wish we could just quietly bankrupt in piece like we're already programmed to do. At least that would bring some certainty to the economy until 2017-2020 and by then, people will have time to diversify. If they haven't hedged against the US dollar by then, they deserve what they get.

ok I'm being civil here, I'm not starting shit...I honestly want to know how the 25% of the country that makes mw can "hedge against the dollar"..?? I doubt many people making 40-50k now in this country could honestly put enough away, especially if they have families, to do any kind of hedging.

So while people like you can ride such a meltdown till 2020, what the hell does the rest of the country do that can't put their money in overseas "baskets".

 

[mrplunkey]

ok I'm being civil here, I'm not starting shit...I honestly want to know how the 25% of the country that makes mw can "hedge against the dollar"..?? I doubt many people making 40-50k now in this country could honestly put enough away, especially if they have families, to do any kind of hedging.

So while people like you can ride such a meltdown till 2020, what the hell does the rest of the country do that can't put their money in overseas "baskets".

In the name of civility, I'll respond in kind.

Unfortunately, people making less than 60k-80k per year are probably screwed. They won't be completely desolate, but they will experience a decrease in their standard of living. We'd have to do some radical things to save them (all of which I'm in favor):

- Raise the retirement age to 72
- Raise the Medicare age to 72
- Revoke Obamacare
- Immediately discontinue foreign wars
- Slash defense budget by at least 60%
- Slash federal agencies budgets by at least 75%
- Dramatic cuts in tax rates (i.e. 20% corporate / zero capital gains)
- Reaffirm commitment to no more bailouts (including state bailouts)
- Unwind state pension benefit plans that are bankrupting states
- Immediately adopt employer-friendly labor laws

But I don't see us doing any of that. So the best we can hope for is a steady course as we let Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare and Defense spending slowly drag us into bankruptcy.

 

[Mr. dB]

 

[bakemeacookie]

Why are you bitches complaining? This is the government people wanted - the should be happy. Our messiah is the greatest thing to happen to this country ever!

c

 

[redsamurai]

In the name of civility, I'll respond in kind.

Unfortunately, people making less than 60k-80k per year are probably screwed. They won't be completely desolate, but they will experience a decrease in their standard of living. We'd have to do some radical things to save them (all of which I'm in favor):

- Raise the retirement age to 72
- Raise the Medicare age to 72
- Revoke Obamacare

For the last two points, to make them mean anything we'd have to come down like regulatory gangbusters on certain industries.....right off the top of my head one of them would be, wait for it.....the food industry. If you're going to revoke all these benefits and expect people to basically live longer and healthier (which I'm not against, obviously)..we're going to have to tell certain industries their days of pandering the market down to the cheapest and most base products they can come up with has come to a close.

- Immediately discontinue foreign wars
- Slash defense budget by at least 60%
- Slash federal agencies budgets by at least 75%
- Dramatic cuts in tax rates (i.e. 20% corporate / zero capital gains)
- Reaffirm commitment to no more bailouts (including state bailouts)
- Unwind state pension benefit plans that are bankrupting states
- Immediately adopt employer-friendly labor laws

But I don't see us doing any of that. So the best we can hope for is a steady course as we let Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare and Defense spending slowly drag us into bankruptcy.

...

 

[javaguru]

LOL @ "change" as the message for the party without the presidency...

Reagan was a change candidate, Clinton was a change candidate, and Obama was a change candidate...

The dems pwned both houses for two years and Obama still made a change argument.

True change would be electing a critical mass of Libertarians...

 

[redsamurai]

the problem is even libertarians don't get it. Their first acts would be massive deregulation of all industries. That can only happen if you disband govt. all together. That douche CLinton was ultimately responsible for this recession cause it was him that deregulated the banks to fund his "dotcom" boom. Problem was that once they moved away from dotcom they refocused all those shady lending practices onto the housing market....which we know is what just fucked us. I went to a talk yesterday given by the ex CEO of Alside who talked about what the banks did. Literally these people should be shot...not figuratively, literally. They are among the most base forms of life on the planet. Some of the poor people who were coerced to take these loans never even got to move into their new houses...unreal. They defaulted those people before they moved in cause they were just selling off the debt, foreclosing the house and getting the next sucker up to bat. Some of em never even got a chance to make one payment.....I'm confused how that whole thing works, I don't wanna learn either cause it's basically just learning how people come up with schemes to be crooks. That basically entails 70% of a business degree......learning, in roundabout ways, what a shady sketchy place we live.

 

[javaguru]

the problem is even libertarians don't get it. Their first acts would be massive deregulation of all industries. That can only happen if you disband govt. all together. That douche CLinton was ultimately responsible for this recession cause it was him that deregulated the banks to fund his "dotcom" boom. Problem was that once they moved away from dotcom they refocused all those shady lending practices onto the housing market....which we know is what just fucked us. I went to a talk yesterday given by the ex CEO of Alside who talked about what the banks did. Literally these people should be shot...not figuratively, literally. They are among the most base forms of life on the planet. Some of the poor people who were coerced to take these loans never even got to move into their new houses...unreal. They defaulted those people before they moved in cause they were just selling off the debt, foreclosing the house and getting the next sucker up to bat. Some of em never even got a chance to make one payment.....I'm confused how that whole thing works, I don't wanna learn either cause it's basically just learning how people come up with schemes to be crooks. That basically entails 70% of a business degree......learning, in roundabout ways, what a shady sketchy place we live.

I didn't read most of your post because you assume Libertarians don't want government. They vary on how much the government should intervene but you are correct most of us believe the fed shouldn't set interest rates arbitrarily. When you bring up home loans, that was 100% big government providing low interest loans from fannie and freddie via the Fed for what was termed NINJA loans....NO INCOME AND NO JOB verification required for a massive home loan.....all risk guaranteed by the government and all profit going to big business. That's the problem, guaranteed bailouts by the government for risks and all profits realized. As a Libertarian, I would have not bailed out the banks and let all of us suffer the consequences of allowing big government to take over. When will people learn the lessons of history that government control of the economy NEVER works...

 

[mrplunkey]

For the last two points, to make them mean anything we'd have to come down like regulatory gangbusters on certain industries.....right off the top of my head one of them would be, wait for it.....the food industry. If you're going to revoke all these benefits and expect people to basically live longer and healthier (which I'm not against, obviously)..we're going to have to tell certain industries their days of pandering the market down to the cheapest and most base products they can come up with has come to a close. ...

Government trying to fix any industry only makes a bigger mess.

 

[bran987]

You sound upset.

 

[mrplunkey]

You sound upset.

He should go buy himself a happy meal! You know there's gotta be a tricky micky's right around the corner from where he lives.

 

[PICK3]

GOP pledge to america?

Vibrams for everyone!

 

[mrplunkey]

Vibrams for everyone!

We're going to reach full employment by 2011 via killer hay bailing internships!