Good Price for 1-AD?

[Nelson Montana]

Sorry to hear you've been ripped off Scaggs. We've all been there. The fact that pro-hormones cause water retention is what makes it seem like it has tangible effects. As far as the research done on it...well, those studies are almost always skewed. If someone wanted to fund a study to prove that Rhode Island is bigger than Alaska, they could do it. There have been more reputable studies conducted which show 1-AD to be completely inert, other than the fact that they elevate estrogen.

The same goes for glutamine. I said for years it doesn't do a thing. So many "authorities" disagreed. Well, a non-commissioned study (not funded by a supplement company) has just been done by a research department in Miami on the effects of glutamine among conditioned athletes. The result: No effect. Yet, millions of dollars worth of glutamine is sold every day.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Oh yeah, Brad, I believe this information will spread like wild fire. It's just that most of the people who have a voice in the industry have something to sell. I guess if I were smart, I'd use my position to make a lot of money conning people into buying worthless crap -- but that's not me. I have other interests in life. I compiled "The Bodybuilding Truth" in order to offer an alternative. Of course I want it to sell well and make money, but nobody ever got rich selling knowledge. They get rich by being deceitful. And there are a lot of rich people in the bodybuilding industry.

 

[1fast400]

There have been more reputable studies conducted which show 1-AD to be completely inert

Give 1 reference...

 

[pa1ad]

Montana.... I'm sure that a majority of supps are scams. I believe you when you say that. However.... 1-AD and 1-test is not placebo. I don't buy it for a second. My Squat didn't jump 40 lbs past my plateau from placebo . I'm On my 3rd week of 1-test and everything is going up and i have not changed anything but added the 1-test. Not only to say that my recovery time is cut in half. I can't stay swore for more than a day. Two days later i'm ready to hit that same muscle group hard again. I've never exp recovery like that before. As for Myostim or Myostat. I agree. Its BULLSHIT. A Scam at taking your money. I didn't get shit off of 3 months cycling Myostat. I wish i could fuck them up for stealing my money.

Scaggs

I believe that since I am the person who developed 1-AD then I must be a con artist in his eyes. Thanks Nelson, I will remember this

 

[pa1ad]

Where do I start? rikk, do you think I never tried them? I tried them before they were available to the public. I used to get unlimited amounts of them for free.

True, I don't use them now. But either do the people who make that crap. They know it's bogus.

Yes, they are a placebo but nobody likes to think that they've been "had." Some of you may remember "Hot Stuff."Thousands of people swore it worked. What happened? If it worked, everyone would still use it.

To those who made gains, it could be due to the water retention which has a temporary hydraulic effect. (Creatine does the same thing) This gets people excited so they start training with enthusiasm and make progress.

There's no shame in being duped, just not in learning from it.

Nelson tried old generation prohormones. He has never tried 1-AD or 1-test, nor does he have the knowledge to understand what makes them different. He just conveniently paints all prohormones with the same broad stroke. He is content in his own ignorance of the subject and in his self-righteous convictions - which should make all of you think twice about buying a book on supplements from the guy

 

[pa1ad]

Give 1 reference...

Nelson Montana is so ignorant when it comes to prohormones (and perhaps other supplements too??) that he likely does not know the difference betweeen 1-AD and other prohromones like androstenedione and 4-AD. Any references he gives you will NOT be ones on 1-AD because there have never been any studies done on 1-AD (except for an unpublished study on blood that was a disaster)

Once Nelson figures this out, perhaps he will offer an apology and admit that he does NOT know that much about 1-AD and then he will offer an open mind about it.

Doubt it though. He is just another one of these guys that hates supplement companies and has closed his mind. But hey, I used to hate supplement companies too (back when they all were dishonest), so I can at least empathize with him a little. Just a little

 

[bradoneal]

Nutri-Wrestler:

You had the great results. Is it too soon to know what you were abole to maintain. I was talking with someone who did 1-AD. He said he kept most of the strength increases in most lifts. But not so much in others. He wasn't watching for muscle gain so he can't report that. I loked like you posted both. I would be interesting to see how you are doing post Cycle.

Also, PA1AD - How is this stuff best cycles. Will 3 weeks on/3off and on and on do the trick?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Well, I have tried 1-AD and for what it's worth, all it did was bloat me and kill my libido for about 2 weeks afterward.

True, most of the studies were done on the older formulations, but there were thousands of people who swore that they worked too! What happened? And why is it that the developer of this stuff didn't know how much those old formulations sucked until after the profits rolled in?

Does anyone remember cyclodextrins? They were supposed to be the answer. What happened to them?

PA, I don't want to go head to head with you on the science of prohormones because I never claimed to be a scientist, but knowledge of the chemistry of a substance is irelevant to the fact of whether it has merit or not. I realize you make money by selling a product that I've found to be ineffective. Of course, you're going to disagree with me.

I have nothing against supplements, nor is my book just about supplements. But you know as well as I, PA, that the industry is a cesspool.

You say you'll "remember this"? Good. I remember things too. (Since Rick is a mutual friend, maybe we can each get some free legal advice and see who has the better case.)

I'm offering my perspective -- one that comes from many more years than you've been involved with bodybuilding. People can judge for themselves.

 

[Scaggs]

Lots of controversy. Maybe your placebo Nelson is for 1-AD to not work. So you're fatigued and drained before you even hit the iron. This causing lack of dicipline and fucus on target muscles which in turn forced you to neglect proper nutrition and rest. Creating a domino effect in a downward motion.

Not bashing you... Just trying to give you another perspective. Like i said before, i believe there are tons of scam artist companies out there selling crap. We do all fall victom to that from time to time but eventually there will be someone who is tired of false claims and will produce a product that meets its claims and say screw the supplement world of "lets give them slow results so they keep buying our crap" and develop something that works. 1-AD....

Let me ask you something Nelson, Is Winstrol placebo? Is D-bol placebo? What about Primobolan? I'm sure you will agree they are not. So why can't 1-AD which is similar in make up be as anabolic as some of these. Why can't it be possible to have a pro-hormone to mimic the effects of AS legally and safely?

PS... I do appreciate your side of things as well. Don't take this as a bashing.

Scaggs

 

[1fast400]

I guess all of my instore customers that come back to buy 1-AD, just like it for the placebo effect. I didn't know placebo effect could increase your bench so much when you had hit a sticking point.

Nelson, you have no idea what your talking about on this subject.