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And be ready to back it up and stand by it. Maybe some people are thinking there is this set of rules for giving advice. Well No there is no set rules and you can give any advice you feel like giving. Just be ready to back it up if some one feels like questioning it. No ones going to ban you for your advice.
 
truly wait until you have reached you natural peak before making the jump to using gear,...thats the best advice that was given to me
 
truly wait until you have reached you natural peak before making the jump to using gear,...thats the best advice that was given to me

That is pretty good advice.
 
low dose long term Dbol cycles yield better results and more keepable gains!

RADAR
 
a 2 gram ew deca only cycle will increase your libedo by 500% and add 1" to the legnth of your erection.:evil:
 
If you're new to this site, be very thankful you are here today and not a few years back. There was a time when scammers & schemers roamed these forums & stuck it to many newbies. Good Mods and a lot of taking out the trash has made this a great place to grow & learn.
My .02
 
If you're new to this site, be very thankful you are here today and not a few years back. There was a time when scammers & schemers roamed these forums & stuck it to many newbies. Good Mods and a lot of taking out the trash has made this a great place to grow & learn.
My .02

very true.
 
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Set this one in stone.


PROPER DIET and lifting INTENSITY cover 90% of bodybuilding.
Steroids only account for about 10% of your goals.


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90% of all posters will be disappointed with the results of their next cycle.
 
90% of all posters will be disappointed with the results of their next cycle.

I agree totally..... they think magic happens but don't realize the WORK behind it. Add for the new ones taking that they don't know what they are doing. Yeah I can see this.
 
A 409 mg of dbol cycle is bad for you, and you would probably lose your cawk from it.
Let alone liver shutdown maybe and other health problems, you would probably just wanna die.
 
truly wait until you have reached you natural peak before making the jump to using gear,...thats the best advice that was given to me

See I would completely disagree with this. I think you should know how to diet and train, and know your body pretty well, but why wait and where do you draw the line? Should you wait to try protein powder until nothing else works, wait to try creatine until protein powder is not enough, etc. I think after diet and training are in check, and you are a mature adult who knows his body, AAS is just one necessary piece of the puzzle.

It may sound wrong but the number one reason I do this is not for my health. It's too look good although health is a concern. Why not get the body I want at 25 or 26 instead of waiting until I hit me natural peak. It's all about sane and responsible use no matter when you start, and responsible means educated.
 
Agreed...... I think though, by just trying what I have, I think I don't need them as of now. When everything is in check, and I have reached a large plateau then I would consider the products I have tried. Though they probably won't be available anymore. I think they are already gone, hell I am not sure.
 
If you're new to this site, be very thankful you are here today and not a few years back. There was a time when scammers & schemers roamed these forums & stuck it to many newbies. Good Mods and a lot of taking out the trash has made this a great place to grow & learn.
My .02

I've learned alot from this forum. It's changed a whole lot over the years, and I remember the "old days" too...there was hella drama back then. Elite kicks ass.
 
See I would completely disagree with this. I think you should know how to diet and train, and know your body pretty well, but why wait and where do you draw the line? Should you wait to try protein powder until nothing else works, wait to try creatine until protein powder is not enough, etc. I think after diet and training are in check, and you are a mature adult who knows his body, AAS is just one necessary piece of the puzzle.

It may sound wrong but the number one reason I do this is not for my health. It's too look good although health is a concern. Why not get the body I want at 25 or 26 instead of waiting until I hit me natural peak. It's all about sane and responsible use no matter when you start, and responsible means educated.


I strongly disagree with you, friend.

Reaching your genetic potential naturally is very important, because it is wasted opportunity to grow naturally if you don't. The more you grow naturally, the more you will be likely to grow on steroids.

Example: If you get to 200lbs naturally, you are likely to get to 220 lbs first cycle of test alone. If you get to 180 lbs naturally, you are likely to get to 200 lbs on first cycle of test alone. You know what I'm pointing at?

Also, you'll know that you've reached your genetic potential when you've been training for many years, have tried several different exercise programs (5x5, Max OT, DC, etc...) and have shocked your body several times after you hit a plateau, and after a while, you feel like you have stoppped "growing" or you have reached a point where you are not getting "bigger" despite the fact that you may be getting stronger and better at bodybuilding...your diet is on check, your "rest" is perfect...you workout is second to none, and you've stopped growing at 200 lbs with 11% BF. That is your genetic potential (best way I know how to explain it)

Now you 25-26, your body is in great shape (naturally) and you're a very experienced bodybuilder.

Now it's time to hit a test only cycle (as a first cycle) with 250-350 mgs of test (pref. a long ester) and roll with it for 8 weeks. Do a proper PCT. Take a break for a few months (pref. longer than time on = time off for first cycle)

Then you can hit test alone again at a higher dosage, i.e. 350-500 mgs a week for 10 weeks (instead of 8). Do proper PCT and take time off = 1.5 x time on.

Third cycle would be test @ 500 mgs ew for 10 weeks + your choice of (decca, equipose, or an dbol / anadrol)

Take a good PCT, time on = time off.

And so on and so forth...
 
I strongly disagree with you, friend.

Reaching your genetic potential naturally is very important, because it is wasted opportunity to grow naturally if you don't. The more you grow naturally, the more you will be likely to grow on steroids.

Example: If you get to 200lbs naturally, you are likely to get to 220 lbs first cycle of test alone. If you get to 180 lbs naturally, you are likely to get to 200 lbs on first cycle of test alone. You know what I'm pointing at?

Also, you'll know that you've reached your genetic potential when you've been training for many years, have tried several different exercise programs (5x5, Max OT, DC, etc...) and have shocked your body several times after you hit a plateau, and after a while, you feel like you have stoppped "growing" or you have reached a point where you are not getting "bigger" despite the fact that you may be getting stronger and better at bodybuilding...your diet is on check, your "rest" is perfect...you workout is second to none, and you've stopped growing at 200 lbs with 11% BF. That is your genetic potential (best way I know how to explain it)

Now you 25-26, your body is in great shape (naturally) and you're a very experienced bodybuilder.

Now it's time to hit a test only cycle (as a first cycle) with 250-350 mgs of test (pref. a long ester) and roll with it for 8 weeks. Do a proper PCT. Take a break for a few months (pref. longer than time on = time off for first cycle)

Then you can hit test alone again at a higher dosage, i.e. 350-500 mgs a week for 10 weeks (instead of 8). Do proper PCT and take time off = 1.5 x time on.

Third cycle would be test @ 500 mgs ew for 10 weeks + your choice of (decca, equipose, or an dbol / anadrol)

Take a good PCT, time on = time off.

And so on and so forth...

I'm not saying not to work hard and build a strong base first, but the "genetic limit" is not only something that would be hard to pinpoint, but could take a long ass time to acheive. I would be willing to bet that while everyone preaches this, there isn't a single person on her who was actually at their genetic limit naturally before they touched gear no matter what they say. They probably had a good base, got to a plateau and decided it was time, which is fine IMO.
 
I'm not saying not to work hard and build a strong base first, but the "genetic limit" is not only something that would be hard to pinpoint, but could take a long ass time to acheive. I would be willing to bet that while everyone preaches this, there isn't a single person on her who was actually at their genetic limit naturally before they touched gear no matter what they say. They probably had a good base, got to a plateau and decided it was time, which is fine IMO.

I got and went past at least 3 plateaus before I decided to hit the gear.

Yes, it takes time...but so does everything else that's worth your time. Bodybuilding is a very slowe process and it takes a lifetime to build a quality physique...no one can be champ overnight, so to speak...

I understand completely what you're saying, but it just makes sense to push your natural limits to the max before you hop on the juice...
 
I got and went past at least 3 plateaus before I decided to hit the gear.

Yes, it takes time...but so does everything else that's worth your time. Bodybuilding is a very slowe process and it takes a lifetime to build a quality physique...no one can be champ overnight, so to speak...

I understand completely what you're saying, but it just makes sense to push your natural limits to the max before you hop on the juice...

Your way is better but I am impatient. And like I said I would bet that 99.9% of the people on here who I have seen preach "waiting until you reach your genetic limit" didn't wait, and most of them including myself are probably not even at the point they could have gotten naturally with AAS. Different strokes ya know? All that's important to me is to see someone use responsibly.
 
Your way is better but I am impatient. And like I said I would bet that 99.9% of the people on here who I have seen preach "waiting until you reach your genetic limit" didn't wait, and most of them including myself are probably not even at the point they could have gotten naturally with AAS. Different strokes ya know? All that's important to me is to see someone use responsibly.

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Many of us have been lifting since early teens. I was "naturally" peaked since 14 in that since. I was as big as i could get and more knowledgeable than 99% of other peeps my age so in my opinion in came down to truely understand AS and being at an age where it would not hinder my natural growth. I first hit the sauce at 22 and knew more about it before my first injection than the average juice bag.

Also, deca gave me pudding dick. :qt:
 
Your way is better but I am impatient. And like I said I would bet that 99.9% of the people on here who I have seen preach "waiting until you reach your genetic limit" didn't wait, and most of them including myself are probably not even at the point they could have gotten naturally with AAS. Different strokes ya know? All that's important to me is to see someone use responsibly.

very good post bro. You're right, few people wait till they reach their genetic limits...I know I probably could've waited a little longer as well...oh well, if you can't do, teach :biggrin:
 
yah i can come out with it..i didnt totally wait till my genetic limits... i decided to do it anyways i should have waited but you dont know until you make the mistake..

02gixxersix..thats a fucking awesome post bro ...:)
 
that's why I dont give advice unless it's for a first or 2nd cycle becasue I am so unexperienced.
I feel more and more temped to try and get to my goals before touching the juice again, whether that's a few months or a few years. The past few weeks have been really bad in terms of getting to the gym and diet. So I feel like a hypocrite when telling people their diet should be in check, lol.
 
Pro's almost never come completely off gear for any length of time. It is impossible to maintain a supraphysiological level of muscle mass without supraphysiological levels of anabolic hormones and support networks.

Consistency is the #1 component in building a quality physique.
 
Hey Radar

When you say lose dose on dbol for a long term period, I can atest to that and sort of agree with a little goes a long way. IF you don't mind my asking, how much mgs are you talking about a day from your experience??. Do you think you can strectch, the length of the cycle onlow dosages???

I have heard conflicting dosages as far as dbol and other AAS type products. But dealing just with dbol, some cats i know never go over 40mgs a day, while some ole school lifters i know go as high as 80mgs a day at the height of their cycle???? Like 20 mgs 4x a day, spaced out over the day as dbols washes out the system between 6 to 8 hours I understand.

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