getting frustrated with first cycle

[rob2534]

i'm 4 weeks into my 500mg/week test cyp cycle and have only gained a measly 5lbs. clean diet and hard training! i don't have that "superman" feeling or overall "well being" feeling either. i just feel a tad heavier. i must add that this is british dragon test cyp 200mg/ml and i am wondering if it's underdosed. maufactured 2/2009 and expires 2/2014. tonight is my last pinning of it then i move on to some pharmacy grade cyp i scored. this cycle is going to be 12-16 weeks so i am hoping you guys will lift my spirits and tell me the good gains are coming shortly cause this is bs. i've waited 6 years to do injectables and this is what i get?

age: 32
height: 5'-10"
weight: 200lbs @ ~10% bf
train 5 days a week, no cardio
250-300g protein, 200g carbs, 50g fats

by the way, the wife doesn't know i'm on the juice. she mentioned the other night it looks like i've dropped some bodyfat, my abs are alot more visible but they were before i even started the cycle as well.

 

[badhabit08]

prolly cuz ur eating about 2500 calories when that would be maintenance calories for you.

 

[zedhed]

It will be interesting to see what the consensus is on British Dragons product as I have 4 vials of the same. I had heard that BD is good but things change. You should have certianly noticed a change in libido and weather or not your skin is greasy, possibly sensitive nips etc...

 

[rob2534]

prolly cuz ur eating about 2500 calories when that would be maintenance calories for you.

i agree. i have recently dropped my carbs as i'm getting ready to start cutting for my show in may, but i still thought i'd have better gains than this. i've had better results with beastdrol and these calories.

now before anyone goes knocking me for trying to start cutting and get gains, i understand you can't do that, but i just expected more from the test. at least to feel like the hulk.

 

[rob2534]

It will be interesting to see what the consensus is on British Dragons product as I have 4 vials of the same. I had heard that BD is good but things change. You should have certianly noticed a change in libido and weather or not your skin is greasy, possibly sensitive nips etc...

to be honest, according to many threads, i've read that newer bd is junk. every since they went under, alot of clones out there using their labels. who freakin knows tho?

 

[rob2534]

Cyp is a longer ester (which I'm sure you know so its not insult your intelligence) so....I've read plenty of peeps who didn't get good "sides" as you described until week 5 or even 6. I think it somewhat depends on the individual.

thanks! something good to look forward too! by the time that comes around, i'll already be on the pharm grade stuff i know is legit!

 

[rob2534]

Good deal. Just remember to be patient with longer esters before deeming what you have is bunk. Although, I also understand the frustration of not kowing for sure and the terrible feeling to think you might be wasting time.

sure will! man, i can't wait to be able to pick up cars and throw them or crack baseball bats over my knee.

 

[C.K.]

Throw some D's on that bitch... d'bol that is!

 

[wootoom]

Give it time...Week 5 is when i started seeing gains

 

[hesnobradpitt]

wk 6 and there will be no guessing mate , i see it about wk5 by 6 im killing shit in the gym .


Brad.

 

[rob2534]

ah hell, you bro's done got me remotivated!! one thing i have noticed is some strength gains but nothing to brag about! i benched 250 for 3 reps tonight on my last set. never have been able to comfortably bench over 225.

 

[Therealdeal06555]

Honostly I dont think the lack of calories is it...If you eat one egg a day I think you would see more than 5lbs after 5 weeks..
If you dont SHOOT up in weight/stregth by week 6-8, then switch that garbage gear.

 

[ArmaniAK47]

I call bullshit.

I get shots of cyp at my doctors office, I get 200mgs (puny-bitch dose) and I walk out of that office with a smile cracking across my face from it hitting my blood-stream.. peak levels are achieved within 24-48 hours after an injection (and then) released slowly 7-14 days.

He gives me the shot every 2 weeks, I feel best closest to the shot.. I am trying to get the dose increased...

at any rate, I've used test at like 200-300mgs/week before and I felt fucking fantastic..

500mgs should have you feeling phenomenal.. it surely would for me, given my experience up to 300-ish mgs/week.

 

[Varga]

First of all who still makes BD? The one I bought towards the end of their run was junk...severly underdosed!These BDs are not real anymore, someone is prob making fakes

Even if you have good stuff test doesnt work that well with a caloric deficit. If you starting to lose bf this quick you are not eating to gain. Increase your calories to 4000+ per day then will talk about weight gain.
I weigh 260ish right now and if I drop my calories close to 3000k per day I loose weight, I make gains at 4000-5000. Im taking about 700mg test mix/week right now

 

[perryscoon]

You could try upping the dose to 750mg. See if that helps. Are you lifting HEAVY? You must lift heavy to grow. I think a lot of guys think the juice will magically make them big no matter what they do, which is a big misconception. You should be spent on your 8th rep. If you're not, then you need to go up in weight.

 

[rob2534]

i do know bd's site has a verification system to check authencity of their products just released in sept/oct. the bodybuilder/personal trainer in my gym i bought it from didn't give me the box with the numbers on it. oh well, i'm done with it as of last night. moving on to the better gear starting monday. i am lifting heavy on everything. i was liking the 1000lb leg press last saturday for 6 reps.

 

[HAYEZ]

1.your not eating enough
2.the test hasnt even kicked in yet
3.you cant expect hulk like results if you dont feed yourself

at your body weight i used to bulk with around 450-500 carbs a day 150 grams of fat 350 grams protein

 

[AAP]

i'm 4 weeks into my 500mg/week test cyp cycle and have only gained a measly 5lbs. clean diet and hard training! i don't have that "superman" feeling or overall "well being" feeling either. i just feel a tad heavier. i must add that this is british dragon test cyp 200mg/ml and i am wondering if it's underdosed. maufactured 2/2009 and expires 2/2014. tonight is my last pinning of it then i move on to some pharmacy grade cyp i scored. this cycle is going to be 12-16 weeks so i am hoping you guys will lift my spirits and tell me the good gains are coming shortly cause this is bs. i've waited 6 years to do injectables and this is what i get?

age: 32
height: 5'-10"
weight: 200lbs @ ~10% bf
train 5 days a week, no cardio
250-300g protein, 200g carbs, 50g fats

by the way, the wife doesn't know i'm on the juice. she mentioned the other night it looks like i've dropped some bodyfat, my abs are alot more visible but they were before i even started the cycle as well.

First your wife has already noticed something. So you have proof there that your body is starting to respond to it.

Second, don't worry about the weight on the scale. You can eat Krispy Kreme all day and see those numbers go up. Keeping your diet clean is a really good idea while using AAS so you don't get sloppy and then have to suffer through a "cutting" cycle to burn off fat you shouldn't have picked up anyway in the first place. The bulk/cutting yo-yo is a dangerous thing to hop on for your body unless you are actually planning to compete.

Third, bump up the clean calories in your diet a bit and also MOST IMPORTANTLY get some cardio going. People shun cardio when trying to grow because they think it "cuts into their calories and potential gains". Fuck that idea. You get in 20 mins 3x a week and you are good to go. Helps keep the metabolism primed and utilizing the food intake in the highest gear. Helps your old ticker out too. So don't neglect that.

Fourth, just be patient. It's coming and when it gets here you will love it.

 

[rob2534]

thanks again guys for all your continuing inputs. i have alot of to keep in mind!

 

[Varga]

i do know bd's site has a verification system to check authencity of their products just released in sept/oct. the bodybuilder/personal trainer in my gym i bought it from didn't give me the box with the numbers on it. oh well, i'm done with it as of last night. moving on to the better gear starting monday. i am lifting heavy on everything. i was liking the 1000lb leg press last saturday for 6 reps.

I can tell you with certainty that BD does not make any products...someone makes it with that name and im not at all sure about its quality

 

[rob2534]

I can tell you with certainty that BD does not make any products...someone makes it with that name and im not at all sure about its quality

it's quality sux! my buddy just told me his quad was hurting like hell after he pinned it for the first time two nights ago with his prescribed test. i have ONLY pinned quads over the 4 weeks and never are sore! probably just shooting grapeseed oil and that's it!

 

[rob2534]

this is exactly what mine looks like except for a white top. they make it look so legit!

 

[RickO'Shea]

It took almost 7 weeks for mine I think to kick in, and I still am not sure if it's Legit, ah well....

 

[zedhed]

My labels are the same but the tops are orange and the fluid in the vials is quite a bit more amber.

 

[rob2534]

everybody's right, week 5 and gains are coming, i am up 10 lbs (morning weight). however, i still don't feel like i am the world's strongest man yet................patience patience.

 

[warrior08]

what year did BD stop making legit stuff i got some stuff from 2005 and 2006?

 

[treneriffic]

BD is back

 

[bolognese]

Maybe its the way your body reacts to the chemical...im on test cyp and deca right now about 9 weeks in out of 14 and i only started feeling like god about two to two and a half weeks ago...and also up about 20 pounds, but yet im not bloated at all, i still see my abs and vascular as hell...other people that i kno that use the same products blow up with fat and water weight and just look like shit...were all different mayb its the way your body reacts. I needed to wait to week 7 to feel like god, wen others feel like god at week 3 :/ Just give it time

 

[Varga]

Just talked to a fiend of mine who got some BD recently but I still cant vouch for quality, the real BD stopped making it about 5 years ago I think
'06 i think was the last year so even if ppl stocked up is about to expire soon
Personally I think there is a person out there who makes them cuz I dont think there is much left on the market from the old BD.

 

[HAYEZ]

considering the founder of bd is in PRISON id say its not the same stuff...lol

 

[GrownUp]

It took me 5 weeks for the Cypionate to kick in the first time I used it, so the second time I threw some d-bols in the mix from week 1-4 and baaam! Instant gains in strength, weight and wa wa water, unavoidable evil but it feels so good, then I dropped them, upped my Proviron dose and water went away slowly but surely, then finished up with some oxandrolone and got ripped in a hurry since this is when you do the maintenance to calorie deficit diet IMO

 

[MegaDesel]

It's obviously not fake as you have stated and another member pointed out that your wife has notice. You also said your up 5lbs in 4 weeks and.... you benched 250 casually for the first time!

Your problems are as follows:
1.) Calories
2.) Negitive mentality and mindset (Nothing personal here. Just mean you already have in your head that there is somthing wrong with the test so you probably won't have the hulk feeling off of those.
3.) This one is probably not true but could be slightly under dosed. But is really as I've stated above.

And to all you that are sure it's fake just cause it's BD, UG's are still replicating them for selling points. I.E. see all the PH's that claim they are Superdol.... Plus he stated he has Pharm grade coming next, IMO this would suggest he is using UG shit.

 

[noodles]

Maybe its the way your body reacts to the chemical...im on test cyp and deca right now about 9 weeks in out of 14 and i only started feeling like god about two to two and a half weeks ago...and also up about 20 pounds, but yet im not bloated at all, i still see my abs and vascular as hell...other people that i kno that use the same products blow up with fat and water weight and just look like shit...were all different mayb its the way your body reacts. I needed to wait to week 7 to feel like god, wen others feel like god at week 3 :/ Just give it time

Same cycle I'm currently on.
I didnt do D-bol like I did last cycle so its been a bit slow to see the effects.
I'm currently in week 6 and I've felt real good in the gym since week 5.
My last few workouts in particular have been killer.
Its definately kicking in now, just took a bit of time.
The libido part kicked in right away for me though, didnt have to wait long.
This Test Cyp makes you feel like a pornstar, lol

 

[rob2534]

last night was really disappointing to me. i swear bros, i have hammered my thighs since last june becasue they are my lagging bodypart. i'm talking heavy hack squats, 1000lb leg presses, extentions, etc. and i haven't hardly gained any size on them nor got any more defintiton in my quads. my bulking diet was 3500-4000 calories. i fifgured with starting my first test only cycle and pinning quads that would help for this year's show. nothing's changed!

but

you know what megedesel, you're right. i need to change my attitude and appreciate any gains i get off this cycle. i'll admit, this is nothing what i've ben told for years as far as what to expect from juice. but, i need to get refocused and remotivated and stay positive. i am going into week 6, we'll see what happens.

 

[Varga]

last night was really disappointing to me. i swear bros, i have hammered my thighs since last june becasue they are my lagging bodypart. i'm talking heavy hack squats, 1000lb leg presses, extentions, etc. and i haven't hardly gained any size on them nor got any more defintiton in my quads. my bulking diet was 3500-4000 calories. i fifgured with starting my first test only cycle and pinning quads that would help for this year's show. nothing's changed!

but

you know what megedesel, you're right. i need to change my attitude and appreciate any gains i get off this cycle. i'll admit, this is nothing what i've ben told for years as far as what to expect from juice. but, i need to get refocused and remotivated and stay positive. i am going into week 6, we'll see what happens.

honestly that's the best attitute to have...just make the best of it. I mean your stuff could be good just maybe underdosed or something regardless is nothing you can do now unless you add another compound and see if there is a difference.
I dont want to be negative but I did run into situations where my friend gave me what was suppose to be test and found out through legit testing it was crap.

In reality, first time you using test with enough calories and good trainig you are looking at 15-25lbs body weight increase.
For all of you who keeps wondering about BD....IT IS LONG GONE the real thing anyway!
If someone is there making it I really dont see the point why use the BD logo to sell something unless you want to make a quick buck with poor quality. Good UG labs do not bother with using someone else's logo unless they try to hide something good UG labs use their own damn logo.

 

[rob2534]

honestly that's the best attitute to have...just make the best of it. I mean your stuff could be good just maybe underdosed or something regardless is nothing you can do now unless you add another compound and see if there is a difference.
I dont want to be negative but I did run into situations where my friend gave me what was suppose to be test and found out through legit testing it was crap.

In reality, first time you using test with enough calories and good trainig you are looking at 15-25lbs body weight increase.
For all of you who keeps wondering about BD....IT IS LONG GONE the real thing anyway!
If someone is there making it I really dont see the point why use the BD logo to sell something unless you want to make a quick buck with poor quality. Good UG labs do not bother with using someone else's logo unless they try to hide something good UG labs use their own damn logo.

thanks bro! i am beginning to think i need to minus the first 4 weeks into my cycle with the BD crap. all in all, i have only been living the bodybuilding lifestyle for the past 1 year. anything before that was strictly lifting weights and my diet was wayyyyyyy off all those years. so, if i started at 150 lbs 6 years ago and i'm up to 205 currently, i shouldn't be bitching about anything!

 

[Varga]

thanks bro! i am beginning to think i need to minus the first 4 weeks into my cycle with the BD crap. all in all, i have only been living the bodybuilding lifestyle for the past 1 year. anything before that was strictly lifting weights and my diet was wayyyyyyy off all those years. so, if i started at 150 lbs 6 years ago and i'm up to 205 currently, i shouldn't be bitching about anything!

You've done good bro, lots weight to gain over the years. Once you get a hold of properly dosed test you can take it to the next level.Get your diet in order, that will make a huge difference