George Spellwin's Liability with this Website

[thx9000]

Most people glorify the position of moderator. They are, especially for this board, digital janitors. They clean up dumb-ass source posts and make sure folks aren't abusing pother board members.

I definitely see what you are saying. But, his motivation was to protect other members. He was trying to stop abusive behavior. Personally, I think he would choose another avenue (than actually posting IP's) to correct the person if things really got out of hand. Personally, I would *hope* that he would. This thing has probably gotten blown well out of proportion considering his actual intent probably wasn't as evil as everyone is making it out to be.

 

[Code]

I definitely see what you are saying. But, his motivation was to protect other members. He was trying to stop abusive behavior. Personally, I think he would choose another avenue (than actually posting IP's) to correct the person if things really got out of hand. Personally, I would *hope* that he would. This thing has probably gotten blown well out of proportion considering his actual intent probably wasn't as evil as everyone is making it out to be.

The best intentions are very often the worst actions. Mods need to be kept in check just like end-users. Sadly, that doesn't happen here.

But yeah, this is blow a bit out of proportion. But to be honest, I would go to greater lengths to protect my personal info. It wouldn't be in a silly thread though.

 

[polarpixie]

Polarpixie, I see part of your point.

I didn't think about this before, in Wodin's case there is at least one problem. He pretty much stated what his motivation would be in sharing the IP address. The gun salesman isn't actually motivated to cause harm when he goes into business. Wodin pretty much indicated his motivation would be to cause harm.

But, still, he set the conditions in which this would/wouldn't happen. The conditions aren't unreasonable, they are that one has to abide by the TOS. People should probably just be banned for violating the TOS, but as far as I am concerned I still have reasonable control over whether or not Wodin reveals my IP. I still have a choice, and as long as that isn't taken away from me I wouldn't blame Wodin (look alliteration!) for the consequences of his actions as the result of my provocation.

Obviously this isn't a black & white issue, the 'guns' example may be a bad example for this specific situation (although depending on the situation, I still think to a small degree the seller of the gun is an 'accessory' in a sense each time a gun that he sells commits a crime. anyhow, that is a different argument.)

The first part of this statement you made is my whole point:

Yes, let's own the responsibility of our actions but let's try to avoid holding each other responsible for what our brothers *may* be thinking.

In this case, WODIN is saying that whatever results from him posting someone's city and state would not be his fault at all. I'm just saying I think that's a copout because in this case, IF, in the unlikely event, that something did happen, he would have played the role of the instigator, I sincerely doubt that he actually wishes any actual physical harm on those people, but it *could* happen as a direct result of him posting private information and putting the limelight on those individuals. This is not the same thing as blaming the author of Turner Diaries for the crimes of Tim McVeigh or blaming musicians who sing songs about suicide for teenage suicides, this is a lot more specific and localized than that. It doesn't really matter anyway since I doubt there is really anything to worry about since it's not like he posted their mailing address, and I don't think those city/states are very reliable. I just think that maybe he didn't thoroughly think about what some psycho f*khead might potentially do as a result of *WODIN's* actions.

Anyway, let's not get over our heads here, I think that a more realistic result from something like this is what some little prick might do to get back at WODIN!

 

[polarpixie]

This thing has probably gotten blown well out of proportion considering his actual intent probably wasn't as evil as everyone is making it out to be.

Are you kidding me??? OUT OF PROPORTION?? I think WODIN just might be the very devil himself!!!!

MUHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!! LOL.




I wonder who will take that comment seriously?

 

[The Ranger]

The best intentions are very often the worst actions. Mods need to be kept in check just like end-users. Sadly, that doesn't happen here.

But yeah, this is blow a bit out of proportion. But to be honest, I would go to greater lengths to protect my personal info. It wouldn't be in a silly thread though.

This is not true, we have had a few Mods demoted, and even banned for their actions....we are in check with each other, and believe me, if you over step the bounds, you hear about it very quickly.

Ranger

 

[Burning_Inside]

natty.. his liability regarding what's said on the board is not at question..


i say if:

1. user A uses this internet site
2. information, which can be used to pinpoint that user's location, is posted by moderator using tools/techniques granted to him/her by george spellwin
3. user B uses that information to track down user A, then commits some form of wrongdoing, punishable by law, to his person or property onto user A


george would be liable, and, depending on the damages incurred, could be sued for a good deal of money (assuming he has money to cough up).

I doubt anything short of a confession would provide enough proof that tracking an ip address off a net messageboard was the initial piece if info that lead someone to find another and do harm to them.

Plus youd have to be a really good hacker to hack their isp's servers and gain personal info on the certain ip. it's not impossible, but pretty close unless youre a hack guru.

 

[WODIN]

Are you kidding me??? OUT OF PROPORTION?? I think WODIN just might be the very devil himself!!!!

MUHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!! LOL.




I wonder who will take that comment seriously?

You give me too much credit..really I wouldn't dream of stepping on Bigsatan's turf.