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George Spellwin's Liability with this Website
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polarpixie
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Nothing against those who made these statements, but IMO these types of argument are a copout. There is a huge difference between CRIMINAL liability and a sense of PERSONAL responsibility/liability to others. Let's say you sold a gun to a murderer, while you may not be responsible in the eyes of the law as to who actually committed any wrongdoing, but you are the one who made the choice to go into the business of providing people easy access to guns, knowing full well just what kind of damage they can do. So, while no one's gonna lock you up for the murder, you should still feel like shit knowing that you played a role in the crime that was committed. After all, no one forced you to go into the business of selling guns, you could make your living selling pantyhose for all anyone cares.
That is the problem with alot of people these days, no one seems to understand the meaning of personal responsibility anymore. It's every man for himself. Nothing is ever your fault. Your actions never affect others, well, not if you never meant to hurt anybody or 'pulled the trigger'.
Point is, while it might be easy for anyone who has the access and/or the technical know-how to obtain mailing addresses or IP address, the person who obtains that information is the one who voluntarily make the choice as to whether or not they will make that information public and draw attention to it. Whatever consequences comes of that, I think that person needs to realize that while they may not be directly responsible for the effect, they were the one responsible for placing the cause out there, and should realize their indirect responsibility in the matter, even if it's not anything that may have violated the law.
Sorry.....that gets me riled up.
polarpixie said:
I would feel like shit that someone got murdered, but I wouldn't feel a sense of responsibility that some other sentient being exercised his free will and made the choice to commit murder. I wouldn't feel that I played *any* role in that crime. The murder has free will, can evaluate the situation and act accordingly, he is aware of the consequences of his actions and he makes the choice of which action to take. I do not play a part in his corrupt reasoning.
polarpixie said:
That is the problem with alot of people these days, no one seems to understand the meaning of personal responsibility anymore. It's every man for himself. Nothing is ever your fault. Your actions never affect others, well, not if you never meant to hurt anybody or 'pulled the trigger'.
Your second paragraph seems to contradict your first. It's my argument that one does bear a *personal* responsibility. That responsibility is *not* diffused across society simply because someone sells a tool to commit murder with. The gun salesman is not motivating murder. The murderer acted on his own free will, he bears full responsibility, the murderer would have acted corruptly regardless of the tools required. This doesn't mitigate the crime, it only puts the blame where it belongs.
polarpixie said:
Point is, while it might be easy for anyone who has the access and/or the technical know-how to obtain mailing addresses or IP address, the person who obtains that information is the one who voluntarily make the choice as to whether or not they will make that information public and draw attention to it. Whatever consequences comes of that, I think that person needs to realize that while they may not be directly responsible for the effect, they were the one responsible for placing the cause out there, and should realize their indirect responsibility in the matter, even if it's not anything that may have violated the law.
Sorry.....that gets me riled up.
In this situation, keep in mind we are actually dealing with someone that has said, "IF you continue to behave this way your IP address will be revealed." So, the choice keep the IP address permanently private remains in the hands of the person commiting the first "crime." Once that information, IP address, gets revealed then some thrid party may choose to act on it. That criminal act would be a choice made by that thrid guilty party.
Yes, let's own the responsibility of our actions but let's try to avoid holding each other responsible for what our brothers *may* be thinking.
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thx9000 said:
The ToS mentions nothing regarding Wodin's threatened actions.
A moderator shouldn't (imo) be capable of viewing IPs anyway. It is in no way relevant to their duties.
But since they can, and feel the need to publish IPs, there should be a End-User Bill of Rights.
I wonder how many mods would want their info published?
Polarpixie, I see part of your point.
I didn't think about this before, in Wodin's case there is at least one problem. He pretty much stated what his motivation would be in sharing the IP address. The gun salesman isn't actually motivated to cause harm when he goes into business. Wodin pretty much indicated his motivation would be to cause harm.
But, still, he set the conditions in which this would/wouldn't happen. The conditions aren't unreasonable, they are that one has to abide by the TOS. People should probably just be banned for violating the TOS, but as far as I am concerned I still have reasonable control over whether or not Wodin reveals my IP. I still have a choice, and as long as that isn't taken away from me I wouldn't blame Wodin (look alliteration!) for the consequences of his actions as the result of my provocation.
I didn't think about this before, in Wodin's case there is at least one problem. He pretty much stated what his motivation would be in sharing the IP address. The gun salesman isn't actually motivated to cause harm when he goes into business. Wodin pretty much indicated his motivation would be to cause harm.
But, still, he set the conditions in which this would/wouldn't happen. The conditions aren't unreasonable, they are that one has to abide by the TOS. People should probably just be banned for violating the TOS, but as far as I am concerned I still have reasonable control over whether or not Wodin reveals my IP. I still have a choice, and as long as that isn't taken away from me I wouldn't blame Wodin (look alliteration!) for the consequences of his actions as the result of my provocation.
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thx9000 said:
Most people glorify the position of moderator. They are, especially for this board, digital janitors. They clean up dumb-ass source posts and make sure folks aren't abusing pother board members.
They can ban the user or the IP.
But to give them domain over the personal information of a user is something George should keep in check.
Not that anyone would, but I can see someone getting pissed off enough to start posting personal info of mods.
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decem said:
AAA is a fuckin homo!!!!! but so are you decem!!!!
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