Gear and permanent trt experience

[d_ant11]

I've read a lot of different opinions and information concerning what it takes to stop your natural test production and be forced into trt/hrt.


For example I've heard of guys being on moderate doses (250mg/week) of test for over a year and recovering fine and I've heard of guys doing 4 or 5 separate 8 week cycles of 500mg/week with proper pct and time off and shutting down their hpta.

I know everyone responds differently but I'm curious what you all have to say....


To all of you experienced users - what are your opinions on this? Cycle lengths, doses, age, how many cycles before this could happen?

 

[d_ant11]

Damn, 28 views and no opinions???

 

[forcd]

i'm doin a 30 week cycle now, then will cruise on 250mg a week for an extra 10 and come off. i'll let you kno soon after that how it feels to come off lol.

 

[DJ_UFO]

Like you already said, everybody reacts different. Some people can recover perfectky fine 100% after each cycle with proper PCT, while others after one cycle can have permanent pituitary gland damage. However, seems like in most cases, a body can recover from a cycle, but never 100% to how it was before. After each cycle, the pituitary gland suffers more and more damage which eventually leads to a permanent low Testosterone levels. Andropause, in reality doesn;t exist. Is a new condition created by all the shit we are exposed to every day and drug usage. The bad food infected with pesticides and chemicals, prescription medicines, government vaccines, etc... In my family all males were fucking without Viagra or a single herb pill til their 60's.

 

[lartinos]

It usually has to do with age. Even at 30 I can come off of a normal cycle without a problem. Deca/tren is hard for me to come off at any age.

 

[d_ant11]

i'm doin a 30 week cycle now, then will cruise on 250mg a week for an extra 10 and come off. i'll let you kno soon after that how it feels to come off lol.

haha...lol.....yeah let me know

 

[d_ant11]

Like you already said, everybody reacts different. Some people can recover perfectky fine 100% after each cycle with proper PCT, while others after one cycle can have permanent pituitary gland damage. However, seems like in most cases, a body can recover from a cycle, but never 100% to how it was before. After each cycle, the pituitary gland suffers more and more damage which eventually leads to a permanent low Testosterone levels. Andropause, in reality doesn;t exist. Is a new condition created by all the shit we are exposed to every day and drug usage. The bad food infected with pesticides and chemicals, prescription medicines, government vaccines, etc... In my family all males were fucking without Viagra or a single herb pill til their 60's.

Good to know. My bro in law is a doc and does some HRT.....he said males these days are seeing a depletion in hormones at the age of 35 rather than 45 because of what we are exposed to like you said. Don't wanna get too far into it with him or he will get suspicious.

I am 37 with 5 kids and have never had a prob with sex drive and want to keep it like that without hrt. Won't be having anymore kids so not too worried about potency.

Although, I have to admit after a couple of light cycles I am interested in pushing the envelope a bit. Not sure what I can and can't get away with at this point as far as doses and duration.

Thanks for the info thus far

 

[Zyglamail]

Everyone is different you never know if, when or how your body will recover from test use. That being said it only takes like 25mg to have a net negative effect on your overall test levels. 125mg/wk will bring your levels to about mid lab range while completely shutting you down while on.

 

[Drewb]

It depends on age, genetics and cycle/PCT. I'm young, ran a few short legal oral cycles with strong PCT and good time off. I think the problem was caused / started when I ran a few cycles when I was young 21-22, probably to young to start.

Natty T production is 172 and I have to eaither start TRT/HRT or live with no test. I'm 30 in a few months.

Oh and my insurance won't pay for it so it's out of pocket and pretty pricy for pharmacy "script" stuff.

 

[NeedMore]

I've read a lot of different opinions and information concerning what it takes to stop your natural test production and be forced into trt/hrt.


For example I've heard of guys being on moderate doses (250mg/week) of test for over a year and recovering fine and I've heard of guys doing 4 or 5 separate 8 week cycles of 500mg/week with proper pct and time off and shutting down their hpta.

I know everyone responds differently but I'm curious what you all have to say....


To all of you experienced users - what are your opinions on this? Cycle lengths, doses, age, how many cycles before this could happen?

I can speak from personal experience since I am on HRT for life.

I was un-educated when I first began AAS.

Put it this way: YOUNG, UN-EDUCATED, STUBBORN, NO PCT=HRT FOR LIFE

 

[Nelson Montana]

It's funny -- these days there are so many things that will help recovery and keep someone from going on HRT too soon, yet, so may guys are anxious to go on HRT.

 

[d_ant11]

It's funny -- these days there are so many things that will help recovery and keep someone from going on HRT too soon, yet, so may guys are anxious to go on HRT.

Thanks for your input Nelson! During the beginning days of my research on aas and before I did my first cycle a year ago I felt that If I played it smart and didn't abuse I would be fine....it seems though the more I read lately everyone is on HRT like you said.

As far as things helping recovery are you talking strictly about standard pct and on cycle therapy drugs like hcg, nolva, clomid, and such? Or a more mainstream medicine approach?

Also, a thanks to everyone else who took the time to share knowledge and experience.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Thanks for your input Nelson! During the beginning days of my research on aas and before I did my first cycle a year ago I felt that If I played it smart and didn't abuse I would be fine....it seems though the more I read lately everyone is on HRT like you said.

As far as things helping recovery are you talking strictly about standard pct and on cycle therapy drugs like hcg, nolva, clomid, and such? Or a more mainstream medicine approach?

Also, a thanks to everyone else who took the time to share knowledge and experience.

Read the PCT for 2010 sticky. That shows how PCT has advanced -- and if I do say so myself, how I and needto put our heads together to offer something that has never before been available to the bodybuilding community. It's decades of research come to fruition.

There isn't any mainstream (or otherwise) medicine for PCT because it isn't a recognized ailment.

 

[d_ant11]

Read the PCT for 2010 sticky. That shows how PCT has advanced -- and if I do say so myself, how I and needto put our heads together to offer something that has never before been available to the bodybuilding community. It's decades of research come to fruition.

There isn't any mainstream (or otherwise) medicine for PCT because it isn't a recognized ailment.

Right, I thought you meant recovery from a low testosterone diagnosis rather than recovery from a cycle.

I used hcgenerate and unleashed only for pct on my first short cycle and felt a lot better than i did with 20mg of nolva this last cycle.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Right, I thought you meant recovery from a low testosterone diagnosis rather than recovery from a cycle.

I used hcgenerate and unleashed only for pct on my first short cycle and felt a lot better than i did with 20mg of nolva this last cycle.

I'm nopt surprised. But next time, use the HCGen while ON cycle and UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE afterward. Then follow with BRIDGE. That gives even better results.

 

[d_ant11]

I'm nopt surprised. But next time, use the HCGen while ON cycle and UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE afterward. Then follow with BRIDGE. That gives even better results.

I'm for sure going to do that.......I don't even wanna look at a nolva pill again, that's how bad it made me feel.

Last order I placed need2 had a coupon code.....anymore good deals floatn' round?

 

[Stillgoing]

It's funny -- these days there are so many things that will help recovery and keep someone from going on HRT too soon, yet, so may guys are anxious to go on HRT.

This is true. Some days I regret not trying harder to get it back before jumping in.

 

[Stillgoing]

My natty test just seemed to fade. I always did low dose cycles with lots of time off. I always thought I was extremely careful and by the book. I had a number of years where I was clean the entire year. But in my mid-30s it just kind of faded and the gap between the way I felt natural vs. a low dose of test got wider and wider. After a while of that, you talk yourself into it.....

 

[skaman007]

This is true. Some days I regret not trying harder to get it back before jumping in.

if you aRE LOW IN NATTY TEST WHY fight it aND PAY OUT LOTS OF MONEY ON OTC SUPPS...when you can get trt..which will obviously work better than supps and cost a lot lot less.

 

[jsl1492]

I'm nopt surprised. But next time, use the HCGen while ON cycle and UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE afterward. Then follow with BRIDGE. That gives even better results.

Those supplements will have no impact whatsoever if he's shut down hard.

The only things that truly work for PCT when somebody is shut down hard are:

HMG (75IU's/day)
HCG (Doses here are highly variable)
Clomid (50mgs/day)

And a combination of an AI (exemestane) and SERM(Torimefene)

Torimefene is better than novaldex because it doesn't have any negative effects on GH and IGF-1.

After that, all you can really do is give it time and pray tbh.

Some people never recover.