Gaining weight

[needfasp3ed]

Hey, im a newbie to this forum. Im 17 years old, im 6ft tall, and weigh 155 pounds. Yes im pretty skinny but im "ripped" and decently strong for my size. My bench max is 200, clean max is 205 , and i dont know what my squat max is. My question to all of you is what is the best way to gain weight as well as muscle at my age for someone with a VERY high metabolism. Right now im am taking Creatine from GNC. It seems to be helping a little bit. I take about half a tablespoon after i workout everyday. Any ideas?

 

[curgeo]

Eat, eat and eat some more. Many people your age are scared of gaining weight because they don't want to lose their 6 pack. I was one of them when I was 17 too. Eat everything you can get your hands on. Drink whole mik, eat ice cream and a lot of meat. Forget the creatine, just eat shovel everything down your throat you can. Make sure to eat plenty of protein during the day, but honestly, eat it all.

One day you will wish that you had the fast metabolism....I wish I did right now.

Eat eat eat!

 

[curgeo]

Oh yeah....stay away from doing cardio for a while.

 

[perp69]

:radar

 

[bigred133]

full ass-to-ground Olympic barbell squats 3 times a week.
A gallon of whole milk every day.
more food than you think you can eat.
Oh, and read this book:
startingstrength.com

 

[thesuaveone]

As mentioned earlier...

Squats and Milk.

 

[dshiznit00]

what other sups are your taking. You should def be taking protien

 

[stevius]

There's only so much food you can digest and you can only put on so much muscle. These things take time.

In your case, you're best off eating small low fat meals frequently (bear in mind that meat takes a shit ton of time to digest which could be counterproductive to your goal of looking buff and feeling healthy. Sugary foods suck!) Also training frequently with medium intensity/volume. If you just want massive muscles find out which ones grow the best because size isn't always correlated with the ability to crank out huge poundages. Work out which muscles are stubborn -at what angles you're weakest- and find out about the little -less showy- muscles because they aid the big lifts and subsequently greatly affect training perfomance and muscle size.

Don't worry everyone puts on bulk eventually, only by then you'll probably have grown up a lot and who knows what your attitude might be.

 

[ChinkNasty]

you clean 205 pds. at 6' 155 pds.? hm...and you dont know your squat max - assuming that the power clean is usually about 50-70% of a 1 rep squat max you should be squatting 400 pds..but for some reason I dont think that's right at 6' 155 pds...

 

[needfasp3ed]

you clean 205 pds. at 6' 155 pds.? hm...and you dont know your squat max - assuming that the power clean is usually about 50-70% of a 1 rep squat max you should be squatting 400 pds..but for some reason I dont think that's right at 6' 155 pds...

i know for a fact i cannot come CLOSE to squatting 400 pounds so you're right on that. Haha, if you fellas want me to take video of myself cleaning 205 i will. My guess for squat max would probably be around 270-280 in that range... squats are my weakness because of my little chicken legs. So i know i need to work on that.

 

[mad dipz]

i know for a fact i cannot come CLOSE to squatting 400 pounds so you're right on that. Haha, if you fellas want me to take video of myself cleaning 205 i will. My guess for squat max would probably be around 270-280 in that range... squats are my weakness because of my little chicken legs. So i know i need to work on that.

well you have little chicken legs because you don't squat. Squats are the backbone to getting bigger

 

[Cynical Simian]

I like how he ignored the '-70%' part of his own '50-70%' estimate of clean/squat ratio, which would have yielded ~290 pounds (close to your 270-280 estimate) as a squat max. Everybody's lift ratios are a bit different, and there's no need to prove anything to anyone by taking a vid.

The only advice you need for gaining weight has already been given: consume more calories than you expend. Creatine won't help with that, aside from perhaps a bit of an initial increase in water retention.

 

[needfasp3ed]

I like how he ignored the '-70%' part of his own '50-70%' estimate of clean/squat ratio, which would have yielded ~290 pounds (close to your 270-280 estimate) as a squat max. Everybody's lift ratios are a bit different, and there's no need to prove anything to anyone by taking a vid.

The only advice you need for gaining weight has already been given: consume more calories than you expend. Creatine won't help with that, aside from perhaps a bit of an initial increase in water retention.

i made my estimate off of my daily lifting. I do 225 x 10 no problems so i guessed around 270.
Im starting to drink alot more milk because that is what all of you have said. So you're also telling me creatine isnt doing anything? I seem to be seeing results from it?

 

[nooob]

you prob squat more than 300

i squated around 225x10-15 times when i was a junior in HS at 160 and i maxed at 360 so you def shouldnt be far off

as for gaining weight


take some weigh protein. i am a nooob too and i got some weigh protein about a month and a half ago and it definitely helps.....alot.

good luck!

 

[JoNeS]

Find out what your daily maintence calories are by going here.

http://www.healthrecipes.com/calories.htm

Add 1,000 calories to that number and eat it daily. Preferably in 6 smaller meals.

 

[BiggT]

Just keep your life simple. Gaining weight is as easy as calories in vs calories out. Creatine is a waste of money and it won't do anything that milk, eggs, and red meat won't do. Protein is important, but in terms of supps, it is what it is, protein, nothing more and nothing less. If a powder helps you get what you need, it is okay, but look at it like this, what is a protein shake? 90 cals? Drink 3 a day and that is 270 cals, that won't put any weight on you. If I were you here is what I'd do.....

meal 1: 5 whole eggs scrambled, lots of bacon, 3 slices of toast with peanut butter and jelly, and a quart of whole milk

meal 2: foot long turkey sub, small bag of chips, and a quart of whole milk

meal 3: 2-3 servings of meat loaf, mashed potatoes, a salad, and a quart of whole milk.

meal 4: two cans of tuna with mayo, make 2 sandwiches with 4 slices of bread, and a quart of milk

If you wanna get crazy have a quarter of a Snickers bar after every meal

in between meals a shake or a bar is fine and bonus calories......but this is simple and do-able.....you don't need to be running around with tupperware containers filled with brown rice and chicken and you don't need to use nutritional supplements to gain weight and you don't have to run around carrying a cooler of food and supps like a fag, lol......do the math on the nutritional breakdown of a gallon of whole milk in a day, I doubt you'll even want to bother with supplements.

Eat a lot and keep it simple.....if you're in high school eat 2 school lunches, the real lunch not the french fries and nutty buddy line. Eat 3 helpings at dinner. To get big and strong you'll more than likely have to carry at least a little more bodyfat than you'd like, but you can probably stay fairly lean.....at 6' and 155 you're not thin, you're emaciated, so you've got plenty of room to grow....eat real, wholesome, calorie-dense foods. Between 8th and 12th grade I went from 160-ish to 235 without much change in bodyfat eating similar to the above outlined "diet" and we're about the same height.

 

[Protobuilder]

Great advice, T.

It's really not rocket science. IMO, I wouldn't worry about counting shit. I'd take a look at my current intake, realize that it's NOT making you gain weight, and start ADDING food until the scale starts to move. When it does, you're on the right track.

An easy way to get your calories is to blend up a Get Big drink every day and sip it throughout the day. You can easily add 2500 calories and 200 grams of protein into your diet w/ the proper drink.

 

[JKurz1]

MY ONLY ADDITION would be bump it 6-7 meals..........breakfast, snack, lunch, snack, train dinner.....maybe some snack before bed


6'0 155 and cleans 205...YES, I want to see the vid....I also wanna see the 270lb video of squat.....impossible unless your fram is tinnnny

 

[Cynical Simian]

6'0 155 and cleans 205...YES, I want to see the vid....I also wanna see the 270lb video of squat.....impossible unless your fram is tinnnny

lol @ 'impossible'. There are plenty of guys his age/height/weight who are putting up higher numbers than that thanks to good coaching/training, dedication, and genetics. IIRC, Glenn posted a vid of a lanky high school kid barely missing (for dropping the bar from too high) a ~400 lb C&J a couple months ago.

 

[needfasp3ed]

MY ONLY ADDITION would be bump it 6-7 meals..........breakfast, snack, lunch, snack, train dinner.....maybe some snack before bed


6'0 155 and cleans 205...YES, I want to see the vid....I also wanna see the 270lb video of squat.....impossible unless your fram is tinnnny

alright, ill have it up monday when i do cleans... wanna place a bet on paypal first? haha jm of course

o and biggt... VERY helpful thank you

 

[JKurz1]

NAH......i JUST WANT TO WITNESS IT......good luck...didnt mean to say IMPOSSIBLE...just hard for me to believe, anything is possible........

 

[mad dipz]

Just keep your life simple. Gaining weight is as easy as calories in vs calories out. Creatine is a waste of money and it won't do anything that milk, eggs, and red meat won't do. Protein is important, but in terms of supps, it is what it is, protein, nothing more and nothing less. If a powder helps you get what you need, it is okay, but look at it like this, what is a protein shake? 90 cals? Drink 3 a day and that is 270 cals, that won't put any weight on you. If I were you here is what I'd do.....

meal 1: 5 whole eggs scrambled, lots of bacon, 3 slices of toast with peanut butter and jelly, and a quart of whole milk

meal 2: foot long turkey sub, small bag of chips, and a quart of whole milk

meal 3: 2-3 servings of meat loaf, mashed potatoes, a salad, and a quart of whole milk.

meal 4: two cans of tuna with mayo, make 2 sandwiches with 4 slices of bread, and a quart of milk

If you wanna get crazy have a quarter of a Snickers bar after every meal

in between meals a shake or a bar is fine and bonus calories......but this is simple and do-able.....you don't need to be running around with tupperware containers filled with brown rice and chicken and you don't need to use nutritional supplements to gain weight and you don't have to run around carrying a cooler of food and supps like a fag, lol......do the math on the nutritional breakdown of a gallon of whole milk in a day, I doubt you'll even want to bother with supplements.

Eat a lot and keep it simple.....if you're in high school eat 2 school lunches, the real lunch not the french fries and nutty buddy line. Eat 3 helpings at dinner. To get big and strong you'll more than likely have to carry at least a little more bodyfat than you'd like, but you can probably stay fairly lean.....at 6' and 155 you're not thin, you're emaciated, so you've got plenty of room to grow....eat real, wholesome, calorie-dense foods. Between 8th and 12th grade I went from 160-ish to 235 without much change in bodyfat eating similar to the above outlined "diet" and we're about the same height.

ya' they're just as easy, except a little more dedication with bulking IMO

 

[ChinkNasty]

yea, no hard feelings bro...I've seen kids your size do cleans like that few times but they are of the sloppy football variety where the catch involves 'spreading' the floor a lot with your feet

 

[SgtSlaughter]

Just keep your life simple. Gaining weight is as easy as calories in vs calories out. Creatine is a waste of money and it won't do anything that milk, eggs, and red meat won't do. Protein is important, but in terms of supps, it is what it is, protein, nothing more and nothing less. If a powder helps you get what you need, it is okay, but look at it like this, what is a protein shake? 90 cals? Drink 3 a day and that is 270 cals, that won't put any weight on you. If I were you here is what I'd do.....

meal 1: 5 whole eggs scrambled, lots of bacon, 3 slices of toast with peanut butter and jelly, and a quart of whole milk

meal 2: foot long turkey sub, small bag of chips, and a quart of whole milk

meal 3: 2-3 servings of meat loaf, mashed potatoes, a salad, and a quart of whole milk.

meal 4: two cans of tuna with mayo, make 2 sandwiches with 4 slices of bread, and a quart of milk

If you wanna get crazy have a quarter of a Snickers bar after every meal

in between meals a shake or a bar is fine and bonus calories......but this is simple and do-able.....you don't need to be running around with tupperware containers filled with brown rice and chicken and you don't need to use nutritional supplements to gain weight and you don't have to run around carrying a cooler of food and supps like a fag, lol......do the math on the nutritional breakdown of a gallon of whole milk in a day, I doubt you'll even want to bother with supplements.

Eat a lot and keep it simple.....if you're in high school eat 2 school lunches, the real lunch not the french fries and nutty buddy line. Eat 3 helpings at dinner. To get big and strong you'll more than likely have to carry at least a little more bodyfat than you'd like, but you can probably stay fairly lean.....at 6' and 155 you're not thin, you're emaciated, so you've got plenty of room to grow....eat real, wholesome, calorie-dense foods. Between 8th and 12th grade I went from 160-ish to 235 without much change in bodyfat eating similar to the above outlined "diet" and we're about the same height.

DAMNIT bro! You're making me hungry

btw: Anyone trying to get "da bigg gunnzzzz" and gain weight or "get hyyyguzze" needs to print out BiggT's post and live by it.

not just do it. LIVE IT.

bolded for emphasis

 

[JKurz1]

keeping it simple o agree with eating a sub at 10am or that much milk is outtta my league......i just don't feel milk is optimium......its been yrs......oats chx steak pasta breads fish just the basocs.....no meed tovget crazy 1 to 2 lbs a week max

 

[Uncle Lewis]

MY ONLY ADDITION would be bump it 6-7 meals..........breakfast, snack, lunch, snack, train dinner.....maybe some snack before bed

I agree. You will keep you metabolism up by spreading the cals over more meals.

 

[Protobuilder]

I agree. You will keep you metabolism up by spreading the cals over more meals.

Doesn't matter. Just get the cals in. If you cram down 1500 calories a meal, and eat 3 meals like that, your body still burns energy digesting 4500 calories, same as if you'd eaten 7 smaller meals totalling 4500 calories. If you get a metabolic "kick" after a meal, you'd get a bigger kick from a bigger meal, right? So in the end, 3 big "metabolic kicks" versus 6 or 7 smaller ones . . . same difference. Just get your cals in however you can. 3 meals if that's all you can do, 7 or 8 if you can do that. No worries.

 

[Uncle Lewis]

Doesn't matter. Just get the cals in. If you cram down 1500 calories a meal, and eat 3 meals like that, your body still burns energy digesting 4500 calories, same as if you'd eaten 7 smaller meals totalling 4500 calories. If you get a metabolic "kick" after a meal, you'd get a bigger kick from a bigger meal, right? So in the end, 3 big "metabolic kicks" versus 6 or 7 smaller ones . . . same difference. Just get your cals in however you can. 3 meals if that's all you can do, 7 or 8 if you can do that. No worries.

I see where your coming from, but I would argue that the more often your body is "on guard" and ready to process the food, the more active the metabolism and efficient at processing the nutrients in the food. I would also venture that fat gain is more likely when meal frequency is decreased.

Additionally, I have found it much easier to get the cals in when spread out over 6 or more meals. This has also decreased the feelings of bloating I have got after cramming in four 1000 plus calorie meals.

But to each his own.

 

[needfasp3ed]

yea, no hard feelings bro...I've seen kids your size do cleans like that few times but they are of the sloppy football variety where the catch involves 'spreading' the floor a lot with your feet

you got me

 

[tonyroma]

17 huh,
50mg dbol ed
75mg tren ace ed
100mg test prop ed

should set you straight

 

[needfasp3ed]

17 huh,
50mg dbol ed
75mg tren ace ed
100mg test prop ed

should set you straight

wtf is that? lol sorry im new

 

[Cynical Simian]

wtf is that? lol sorry im new

It was a suggestion of a steroid cycle and obviously a joke (since nobody should be going anywhere near steroids at age 17).

 

[JKurz1]

Video?

 

[needfasp3ed]

Video?

sorry ill have one up tommarow... i had a funeral to go to monday and i was sick today

 

[needfasp3ed]

well it turned out to be a horrible quality video off of a camera phone. You can barely tell how much weight is on there. But this is of me doin 195 2ce with ease.
http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l307/needfasp3ed/?action=view&current=lifting.flv

* you can hear my friend at the end go " you cant see it" referring to the weight on there

ill get a better vid on friday when i clean again. sorry guys

 

[silver_shadow]

I see where your coming from, but I would argue that the more often your body is "on guard" and ready to process the food, the more active the metabolism and efficient at processing the nutrients in the food. I would also venture that fat gain is more likely when meal frequency is decreased.

Additionally, I have found it much easier to get the cals in when spread out over 6 or more meals. This has also decreased the feelings of bloating I have got after cramming in four 1000 plus calorie meals.

But to each his own.

this is likely the only benefit and the best reason why you'd wanna do it. there are times when i can't make it 6-7 meals... so i just eat 3-4 large ones... doesn't make much difference.

 

[Protobuilder]

well it turned out to be a horrible quality video off of a camera phone. You can barely tell how much weight is on there. But this is of me doin 195 2ce with ease.
http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l307/needfasp3ed/?action=view&current=lifting.flv

Way to put your money where your mouth is.

Not that it matters much, but those are technically "hang power cleans," which are generally harder than full cleans, which means your full power clean is probably even higher. Good job though. The fact that you're doing that kind of lifting is good to see. Not spending all your time on teh Cybex bicep curl machine hoping to add an ounce of bodyweight over the next year.

 

[needfasp3ed]

Way to put your money where your mouth is.

yea i hear ya... i feel like an idiot.. i didnt know the quality would be so bad. Ill try again tommarow with a better camera

* Edit
Wait, you were bein sarcastic right?

 

[Protobuilder]

No. I was being serious. I don't give a shit how grainy the footage is. I doubt you lied about the weight on the bar. And you said you could do it, people doubted you, you took a vid and posted it. Nicely done.

BiggT has said for a year now that he'll post vids of his lifts but he never does so we all think he's full of it. LoL

 

[needfasp3ed]

No. I was being serious. I don't give a shit how grainy the footage is. I doubt you lied about the weight on the bar. And you said you could do it, people doubted you, you took a vid and posted it. Nicely done.

BiggT has said for a year now that he'll post vids of his lifts but he never does so we all think he's full of it. LoL

o gotcha.. well thanks i guess... i just figured since i was a noob to this site i would get shit . But i got bad news, school is cancelled for tommarow due to snow so i'll have to wait till monday to get a better video where you can actually see the weight. Anyone have constructive criticism on my clean?

 

[JKurz1]

can't see shit....but I trust ya.....as for eating.....keep it simple good wholesome foods......not necessary to feedvyour face 2700 to 3k is plentyyyyyy

 

[Cynical Simian]

can't see shit....but I trust ya.....as for eating.....keep it simple good wholesome foods......not necessary to feedvyour face 2700 to 3k is plentyyyyyy

I think eating clean is the one thing you and I agree about, but throwing out specific caloric intake numbers is absurd. That's like me saying "ramp up to a max squat of 315x5 over a few weeks then keep adding weight." It'll probably work for the guy whose 5RM actually is 315 but it'll kill or be an insufficient stimulus for anyone else.

Bottom line: eat however many calories it takes to gain weight at the rate you want (keep it reasonable: .5-1 lb/wk), and don't be surprised if it takes quite a bit more than 3000 calories per day.

 

[Protobuilder]

can't see shit....but I trust ya.....as for eating.....keep it simple good wholesome foods......not necessary to feedvyour face 2700 to 3k is plentyyyyyy

It's almost criminal for you to give advice without some kind of disclaimer:

*Before taking my advice or even taking me seriously, realize that I am a completely neurotic freak who has 11,000+ posts under his belt but can't figure anything out yet.

 

[JKurz1]

n your another fat ass just an ordinary overweight fool

 

[needfasp3ed]

ive been doing everything you guys have been saying. I've been drinking a LOT more milk, added 2 meals to my day, and been doing leg lifts harder. So far i've gained about 4 pounds since my first post. For me thats pretty damn good.

 

[s8nlilhlpr]

Awesome work, it just takes a little time. CONSISTENCY (sp) will reap you a lot better results, than trying to micromanage every carb/protein for perfect absorbtion. Get in the habit of eating a large breakfast, once I got that down, everything else fell into place. For some reason, the more I eat in the morning, the hungrier (sp) I get during the day.

If you don't already, start bringing a notepad with you to the gym to track progress. Seems kinda silly at first, but it helps a LOT.

 

[needfasp3ed]

yea i have a book i use to track down when my sets go up and stuff. I've been taking 5mg ( a teaspoon or so ) or creatine before and after i lift. I also take protein at the same time. Bad idea?

* EDIT
I've been reading around and i see not many people like GNC. Is it because it is expensive or bad products? Both my products are from there... creatine monohydrate and protein. Im thinking about changing to No Xplod and protein. What are your suggestions for intake? A dose of No Xplod before and after i lift? What about the protein?

 

[BiggT]

creatine is a waste of money.....red meat, milk, and eggs do the EXACT same thing, and give more bang for your buck.......no xplode is a waste of money....really, no2 in general is a waste of money and isnt gonna contribute to long term progress, some no2 products enhance a pump, that is about as useful to growing muscle as jerking off. If you want a boost before a workout, drink a strong cup of coffee, actually, forget the coffee, I didn't need a boost when I was 17 and neither should you.

protein powders are fine....they aren't magic....they are what they are....added dietary protein.

GNC is a ripoff, their prices are jacked up 20-50%

Worrying whether 5g of creatine preworkout is good or if noXplode is good preworkout isn't gonna get anyone big. If you want to grow get the words creatine and NO2 out of your vocabulary, lol...... Most people can't grow because they fuck up the easiest part of this that comprises about 99% of it, just eat more cals than you burn, eat lots of protein, get good at squats, deadlifts, bench presses, rows, and chins.

What I mean is, that notebook that was suggested you use to track progress will get you a whole hell of a lot bigger than any supplement ever will. There is no secret, no magic, just eat and get good at lifting.

 

[Protobuilder]

What BiggT said.

I've been reading around and i see not many people like GNC. Is it because it is expensive or bad products? Both my products are from there... creatine monohydrate and protein. Im thinking about changing to No Xplod and protein. What are your suggestions for intake? A dose of No Xplod before and after i lift? What about the protein?

Think about this: you are at the right age/experience level to be the perfect prey for people who will lie to you, take your money and sell you shit that doesn't work, while promising all sorts of bullshit. Don't let them. All you need is what BiggT mentioned. Food. Heavy, regular weight training. Protein powder is a good buy, IMO. The rest is either (a) completely 100% fraudulent bullshit, or (b) will give you MAYBE 1% of your total gains. Think about that.

 

[JKurz1]

IMHO, creatine will do more good then protein powder.......I havent had a pw shake in mnths a feel 10x better and getting stronger again.....whole meal post training....

 

[Protobuilder]

LMAO!

Back under your rock.

Protein powder is food. Calories. Protein for building new fibers. Without calories, you don't grow. simple. so how in the fuck could creatine--one small part of your diet--be more important than the fundamental building block of all new muscle?

Get your head checked.

I havent had a pw shake in mnths a feel 10x better and getting stronger again

what does this have to do w/ ANYTHING?

 

[Cynical Simian]

Creatine is one of the few supplements that, with a pretty solid body of scientific and anecdotal evidence behind it and a low price, might be worth the money. But as T and PB have been saying, training and diet are 99% of the equation, and if you're eating enough meat supplemental creatine might be superfluous.

 

[JKurz1]

Creatine is one of the few supplements that, with a pretty solid body of scientific and anecdotal evidence behind it and a low price, might be worth the money. But as T and PB have been saying, training and diet are 99% of the equation, and if you're eating enough meat supplemental creatine might be superfluous.

thanks.......

 

[BiggT]

The thing with creatine is if you eat enough red meat, and drink, well actually overdrink milk, and throw in whole eggs, you don't notice it. The chicken breast and salad guys notice it big-time and they especially like the bloat for their strength, the thing is red meats, milk, and eggs are cheaper and you need cals anyway, so why not kill two birds with one stone. If you eat enough meat and eggs, your creatine stores should be high enough and If you drink a gallon of milk a day creatine won't add the magical 10lbs of bloat cause you'll be bloated anyway.

Seriously, I remember when creatine hit the shelves, and I have used various forms of it, and it has honestly never done anything....friends of mine who don't eat love it because it gives them something they're not getting......thing is, if you want strength and bloat, you might as well eat for it and save the money.....if you wanna eat boiled chicken and broccoli, you'll look better, but why take creatine then and defeat your purpose? I guess maybe that thing called a lipid profile, lol.....but seriously man, just lift and eat, you're too young to worry about anything

I know they say football coaches should stay out of the weightroom, but Joe Paterno was asked once his thoughts on players using creatine, and his response was..."It's good for guys who don't eat"......he was 100% right. I always had a suspicion he went over to PSU's Kinesiology department and asked Zatsiorski, lol....but that about sums it up. If you eat, you're pissing away your money on creatine.

 

[beerdrinker]

I bought a tub of creatine mono, and I don't know if I can tell a difference. I mean, I THINK I might feel stronger or recover faster, but it's impossible to tell unless I were to go back in time and not take it. I have a theory though, maybe it's all the extra water I drink when taking it that makes me feel better. Water I should probably be drinking anyway. I don't know. I'm going to finish off what I bought because maybe I'll get something out of it, but I don't think I'll buy it again. It's just not that dramatic. Now a cup of coffee and a handful or two of raisins, POW!

 

[BiggT]

I bought a tub of creatine mono, and I don't know if I can tell a difference. I mean, I THINK I might feel stronger or recover faster, but it's impossible to tell unless I were to go back in time and not take it. I have a theory though, maybe it's all the extra water I drink when taking it that makes me feel better. Water I should probably be drinking anyway. I don't know. I'm going to finish off what I bought because maybe I'll get something out of it, but I don't think I'll buy it again. It's just not that dramatic. Now a cup of coffee and a handful or two of raisins, POW!

That is the mark of the supplement industry, man. People 'think' they 'might' feel better, lol.....at least you're not gonna waste any more money. What happens is people buy say CreatineXtreme, it doesn't work, then creatineXtreme ''ultimate'' comes out, of course it is much better than creatineXtreme cause that didnt work, but this version is scientifically proven to work with an advanced formula and the guy on the pic in the ad is jacked, so it must work.......obviously it doesn't work, but then the same company releases creatineXtreme ultimate mega....and you know the rest until creatinextreme ultimate mega 2 comes out.........and there will always be people falling prey.

 

[Kabeetz]

So what you're saying is they announced a release date on creatinextreme ultimate mega 2?

What do you know someone at the company or something?

 

[perp69]

I think several guys already said it best. Weight gain is about eating. Supplements will not do that for--you only eating lots of food will. Looks like you are on the right track with lifts. Just stick with the compound moves and eat, eat, eat and you will put on weight.

Perp

 

[JKurz1]

That is the mark of the supplement industry, man. People 'think' they 'might' feel better, lol.....at least you're not gonna waste any more money. What happens is people buy say CreatineXtreme, it doesn't work, then creatineXtreme ''ultimate'' comes out, of course it is much better than creatineXtreme cause that didnt work, but this version is scientifically proven to work with an advanced formula and the guy on the pic in the ad is jacked, so it must work.......obviously it doesn't work, but then the same company releases creatineXtreme ultimate mega....and you know the rest until creatinextreme ultimate mega 2 comes out.........and there will always be people falling prey.

Lose the whey, you dont need it...use that $20 to help purchase some aminos and some cee creatine....itll last you a long time and help out emensily.......

 

[BigCubano]

biggT,

Would you recommend the same eating plan for a 30 year old trying to pack on mass? I agree with everything you said, but I'm a little concerned that since my metabolism is not that of a 15 year old I would add more fat than muscle. I have been one of those, "chicken and brown rice with supplements" kind of guys and have been stuck at the same weight.

 

[bigred133]

beef. fish. veggies, and a gallon of WHOLE milk a day and you will not be stuck at the same weight. I throw in lots of rice too for the calories.

"chicken and brown rice with supplements" kept me at the same weight too.

 

[Cynical Simian]

There's nothing magical about the "BiggT Bulking Diet" or a gallon of whlole milk per day except that they make it next to impossible not to have a caloric surplus. You can eat an entirely clean diet (the proverbial chicken and brown rice), and as long as you're willing to increase the quantities until you're gaining weight that's as good as, if not superior to, the "eat everything in sight" approach.

 

[JKurz1]

There's nothing magical about the "BiggT Bulking Diet" or a gallon of whlole milk per day except that they make it next to impossible not to have a caloric surplus. You can eat an entirely clean diet (the proverbial chicken and brown rice), and as long as you're willing to increase the quantities until you're gaining weight that's as good as, if not superior to, the "eat everything in sight" approach.

too many become BLOATED and cant eat whole foods........lactose is a severe issue for many!

 

[Tweakle]

force it down and your tollerence increases.. eating a lot isn't supposed to be fun but it works. I like the bigT plan, for eg my breakfast today was

6 whole eggs, 4 strips bacon, 1 cup oats, cream & water, 100g's protein powder, multi vit and a liter of water.

2 hours later a lb of steak and lots of rice and veggies, etc

 

[curgeo]

Eat Damnit Eat! When I was at my heaviest musculature It was more work eating than it was working out. It's a chore, but there is no magic secret. Cals in must be more than cals out.

 

[JKurz1]

force it down and your tollerence increases.. eating a lot isn't supposed to be fun but it works. I like the bigT plan, for eg my breakfast today was

6 whole eggs, 4 strips bacon, 1 cup oats, cream & water, 100g's protein powder, multi vit and a liter of water.

2 hours later a lb of steak and lots of rice and veggies, etc

Not bad.....mine was 3/4 cups of oats, 2tb of pb, 1 cup egg whites with 1 egg, english muffin, and starbux.......

3 hours later, half pound flank and a cup + 1/2 of brown rice.....good meals, easy to get down....I coulda done 3 english muffins...so good with jelly, spray butter and splenda, toasted!

 

[al420]

I like to eat Doughnuts. Seems to work fine for gaining weight and for hitting PR's.

Oh yeah, and milk.

 

[JKurz1]

mmmmmmm..........donuts.........I had 3 awesome mac. nut cookie dough cookies in my mouth until my gma yelled at me and said I get saminalla....so I chewed them and had to spit it out......is she full of it?

 

[Cynical Simian]

lol @ your grandmother being as paranoid and misinformed as you.

 

[JKurz1]

Probably 500 cals I'm short now and about 20g of fat in those little suckers....damn they tasted good......now I see how aneroxics really do it.....sick sick game.....I spat it out and thought, damn, this is exactly what my problem used to be (although I never spit out food...if I'm gonna put it in my mouth, Im eating it!

 

[s8nlilhlpr]

I dunno about you, but I eat cookie dough all the time. I even eat the homemade stuff with raw eggs in it, never had a problem or gotten sick.

Have you actually gained any weight lately or is it all still talk? Also, what happened with your "pro trainer" that was making all your routines? Any progress or hopping around programs every 2 weeks?

 

[mad dipz]

the only question I have about drinking a gallon of milk a day on top of all the food you eat is is it necessary to cut down on the food intake so the calories aren't so damn high? I've been eating big for the past few months, just like what BiggT has given for the kid, and after recently just writing down everything I intake, my caloric intake is almost 7000. I mean I'm used to it now (besides the bloating as the evening goes on), just don't know if it sounds too healthy.

 

[Cynical Simian]

Argh, how many times do I have to say this: what matters for gaining mass is the presence and size of the caloric surplus. IMO, unless you're just really impatient and willing to accept some additional fat gain to reach a certain total bodyweight sooner or running a shitload of drugs, keeping the size of the caloric surplus at 250-750 calories is the way to go. So if your daily caloric expenditure is ~6500 calories, a 7000-calorie intake is fine. If it's a few thousand calories less than that, more of that surplus than you'd like will probably end up as fat rather than LBM.

 

[mad dipz]

Argh, how many times do I have to say this: what matters for gaining mass is the presence and size of the caloric surplus. IMO, unless you're just really impatient and willing to accept some additional fat gain to reach a certain total bodyweight sooner or running a shitload of drugs, keeping the size of the caloric surplus at 250-750 calories is the way to go. So if your daily caloric expenditure is ~6500 calories, a 7000-calorie intake is fine. If it's a few thousand calories less than that, more of that surplus than you'd like will probably end up as fat rather than LBM.

lol well I didn't mean to make you mad I just didn't know if 7000+ was healthy on the body

 

[Protobuilder]

Depends on a ton of individual factors (e.g., lipid profile, metabolism, daily exercise, etc.), but unless there's some ridiculous imbalance (e.g., missing key minerals or 99% protein or something), or you're not drinking enough water, I don't see any physical harm being caused by 7000.

 

[Cynical Simian]

lol, not mad at all, just slightly amused by how complicated people are making this.

Basically, the "gallon of whole milk per day" approach is, at least as Rippetoe uses it with the guys he trains, a way to ensure that high school kids who aren't particularly committed to monitoring food intake and weight (and are limited to the three meals per day prepared by mom/dad) get enough calories. A gallon of whole milk on top of a typical 2500 calorie diet still isn't a particularly extreme caloric intake, but if you're already committed to eating frequently and getting quite a few calories, less milk or smaller portions in your other meals might be warranted.

 

[Protobuilder]

A gallon of milk is so fucking easy, an ADHD hormone-riddled teenager can figure it out. It's just a pre-made "protein shake." You don't even need a blender. There are a million ways to get the cals. There are all sorts of homebrew recipes for "Get Big!" drinks, usually based on milk & protein powder along w/ some PB, some ice cream, and some bananas. Easy to drink 3000 cals a day if you make up a good shake. But kids are too damn ADHD. Hence, milk. Here are your directions:

1) Get allowance from dad.
2) Go to store.
3) Find milk section.
4) Buy milk after browsing the "already opened" Playboys.
5) Drink milk.

Repeat dumbass.

 

[mad dipz]

lol, not mad at all, just slightly amused by how complicated people are making this.

Basically, the "gallon of whole milk per day" approach is, at least as Rippetoe uses it with the guys he trains, a way to ensure that high school kids who aren't particularly committed to monitoring food intake and weight (and are limited to the three meals per day prepared by mom/dad) get enough calories. A gallon of whole milk on top of a typical 2500 calorie diet still isn't a particularly extreme caloric intake, but if you're already committed to eating frequently and getting quite a few calories, less milk or smaller portions in your other meals might be warranted.

oh alright. ya' people questioned me about the whole gallon a day thing and my only comeback response was "well Rippetoe told me to." lol

well since I'm committed to this much then, anyone know of a way to counter the bloating? if not then I guess I can deal with it, but I'd rather not. I already take metamucile at night but that's about it.

 

[s8nlilhlpr]

If you are slightly lactose intolerant look for a product called "Lact-aid." It contains enzymes to help you digest dairy products. There may be similar products out there, thats one specific brand I've used before.

 

[JKurz1]

lol at 6500 cals ridiculous and unnecessary............

 

[bigred133]

1 gal of whole milk contains:
calories 2400
fat cal 1120
total fat 128 g
sat fat 80 g
trans fat 0 g
cholest. 560 mg
sodium 1920 mg
total carb 192 g
dietary fiber 0
sugars 176 g
protein 128 g

and ILGF-1

That sounds like a weight gain drink to me.

 

[JKurz1]

Sounds like BLOAT central....lol...why not do a jar of PB!

 

[bigred133]

What is this bloat you speak of? As long as I eat oats twice a day (breakfast and pre workout), and drink plenty of water, I do not experience any discomfort.

 

[Protobuilder]

Sounds like BLOAT central....lol...why not do a jar of PB!

How much muscle have you gained over the past 12 months?

 

[s8nlilhlpr]

lol at 6500 cals ridiculous and unnecessary............

Says the guy who won't respond to honest questions, and is a "hard gainer" w/faded abs and "bloat".

 

[JKurz1]

Muscle? Prob about 5-6lbs...weight prob about 12lbs....u?

 

[mad dipz]

Sounds like BLOAT central....lol...why not do a jar of PB!

you want me to replace a gallon of milk a day for a jar of peanut butter?

well I don't get bloated if I space everything out throughout the day, and drink water, I feel fine actually. It's just somedays where I gotta cram in shit in a short amount of time (back to back meals).

And no offense but with your rep on here I think I'll listen to the others and eat 6500 cals like I have been. I mean it IS working after all.

 

[needfasp3ed]

so recently i started taking no xplod 45 minutes before i lift. GREAT results, call me a liar but my bench max went up ten pounds in a week. Thing is, today, i dont know what happened. I took 2 scoops at 10:30 and i lift at 11:00. By the time it came time to lift, i was drenched in sweat and shaking and even a little dizzy. Then once i started to lift it went away and back to normal. Was this just an energy build up that needed to be used? Or did i take too much?

 

[s8nlilhlpr]

Did you eat before you went/took NO? If I don't eat enough, I get a little dizzy.

 

[mad dipz]

so recently i started taking no xplod 45 minutes before i lift. GREAT results, call me a liar but my bench max went up ten pounds in a week. Thing is, today, i dont know what happened. I took 2 scoops at 10:30 and i lift at 11:00. By the time it came time to lift, i was drenched in sweat and shaking and even a little dizzy. Then once i started to lift it went away and back to normal. Was this just an energy build up that needed to be used? Or did i take too much?

My bench goes up 10 lbs a week too just from eating alot of food. I thought everyone told you that no xplod was a waste?

 

[JKurz1]

my rep? my diet knowledge is as good or better than anyone here. I promise u u will get fat on 6zf00 cals promise

 

[ZGzaZ]

my rep? my diet knowledge is as good or better than anyone here. I promise u u will get fat on 6zf00 cals promise

"6zf00" cals IS quite a bit....

 

[Cynical Simian]

"6zf00" cals IS quite a bit....

 

[mad dipz]

my rep? my diet knowledge is as good or better than anyone here. I promise u u will get fat on 6zf00 cals promise

you know maybe you're right. I shouldn't listen to anyone else on here anymore, and I should stop doing what rippetoe recommends because your knowledge is the best.

 

[Tweakle]

watch yourself young fella, all it takes is ONE almond too many and you'll be doomed to spend hours every day pining over your watery abs in the bathroom mirror.

personally, back a year ago when I was on a nice big fatbastard bulk I was putting away probably 5k a day and loved it. The bloat from all the food and the abombs was a wonderful thing when it came to piling on the weights and making the wee fairies shake in their shoes... there's no way to know what's too much for you but imo raise the protien first, then the good fat then add complex carbs.

 

[mad dipz]

watch yourself young fella, all it takes is ONE almond too many and you'll be doomed to spend hours every day pining over your watery abs in the bathroom mirror.

personally, back a year ago when I was on a nice big fatbastard bulk I was putting away probably 5k a day and loved it. The bloat from all the food and the abombs was a wonderful thing when it came to piling on the weights and making the wee fairies shake in their shoes... there's no way to know what's too much for you but imo raise the protien first, then the good fat then add complex carbs.

ya' I got all that covered. but I could really care less about the abs right now. all I know is 3k-3500 never worked for me awhile back, I doubt it will now, and 5k-6k seems to be working right for me, so I'ma stick with it. weights are increasing smoothly, and once I reach my goals, I'll start working on the cut.

 

[Protobuilder]

Some guys seem to be able to buld muscle while still worrying about their gut, but it sure seems hard to me. If you want to gain, then gain. Micromanagement, IMHO, means you'll gain microfat . .. and micromuscle. Could be wrong though.

 

[JKurz1]

fat guys unite! notice how it went from 6500 to 4 or 5K? lol fat n strong i'd rather be shredded and look good naked......lol....but u agree I need to put on a out 40 lbs then reshredd.....3500 cals rt now including 4 almonds.......lol allbo meant by bloat was lactose from milk. I eat akl frignn day but milk would kill be. plus it makes u look watery. I like the dry feeling.....pb is mu choice n steak for high cals....now excuse me until tomorrow my girl is waiting with my hot pepper n mushroom za.......

 

[mad dipz]

fat guys unite! notice how it went from 6500 to 4 or 5K? lol fat n strong i'd rather be shredded and look good naked......lol....but u agree I need to put on a out 40 lbs then reshredd.....3500 cals rt now including 4 almonds.......lol allbo meant by bloat was lactose from milk. I eat akl frignn day but milk would kill be. plus it makes u look watery. I like the dry feeling.....pb is mu choice n steak for high cals....now excuse me until tomorrow my girl is waiting with my hot pepper n mushroom za.......

that right there is the exact reason why I don't listen to you.

 

[SgtSlaughter]

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