From 41 inches waist to 33.8 inches in 8 weeks and bigger arms at the same time

[VictorBR]

AND without GEAR

I was getting ready so now I can start my cycle and get my body to where I want .

It was not easy by any means, actually at some points I almost went insane when thinking and dreaming with food ) but modesty aside I did a very good job .

In 8 weeks I slashed 7.2 inches of my waist and my arms are a bit bigger as they went from 17.3 inches to 18 inches flexing at home .

Start - 237 pounds - 41 inches waist
Finish - 209 pounds - 33.8 inches waist

I would roughly estimate that I lost 32 pounds of fat and gained around 5 pounds of muscle .

I would say I am probably around 10-12 % now , so it is time to start my cycle and ( last cycle was january 2002 ) get my body to 215 lbs and 5 % bodyfat , at least I hope LOL .

if anyone's interested I will show diet , suplements and training program

Victor

 

[taoiron]

Good job bro.....

 

[VictorBR]

thanks bro it is all about improving , as long as you are improving, doesn't matter at what speed ( althought we all want FAST results) that is all that matters .

 

[jnevin]

Great job bro!! I'm kind of in the same boat as far as the starting gut goo. I'm 204 lbs, 5'9", 21% BF and haven't worked out in 6 mo. I was 207 lbs at 7% last Oct. Good to see how quick results can be seen. Inspiring. I've just started to keep a diet log and have worked out twice this week. Easing back into it.

 

[azul]

if anyone's interested I will show diet , suplements and training program

Victor

That's like saying you're 300lbs, 5% bodyfat without showing pictures. Of course we want to know what you did!

 

[VictorBR]

I still can't see my abs thought , only the upper a liiiiiiil bit , I am sure it is also due to lack of development of the muscle itself .

I am aiming for a 30 - 31 inches waist so I can have my six pack


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

That's like saying you're 300lbs, 5% bodyfat without showing pictures. Of course we want to know what you did!

>>>> very simple and usefull bro .


BMR : 2.500 cals

My diet :

2.000 cals ( cheat day every 14 days , I mean around 10.000 calories to reaaly shock my metabolism )

270 g of protein
170 g of carbs
10-20 g fat ( mostly fish oils )

Schedule :

10:00 - carbs ( whole wheat bread ) + protein ( slices of turkey breast + slices of fat free cheese )

- WEIGHT TRAINING

12:00 - post workout shake - carbs ( honey ) + protein ( whey )

2:00 - carbs ( lentils or pasta ) + veggies + protein ( chicken )

5:00 - fats ( fish oil ) + protein ( whey ) - NO CARBS HERE

7:30 - AEROBICS

8:30 - same as 10:00 .

11:30 - protein (whey ) + fish oils . ( fat ) NO CARBS HERE


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

training :

ALways 6-8 reps , 3 sets and 4-5 exercises per muscle group .

monday - chest
thusday - backs
wed - OFF
thursday - legs
fryday - shoulders , traps
sat - arms
sunday - rest

Aerobic at moderate intensity for 45-60 minutes 4-5 times a week


Suplements : T-rex , Vit C , Vit E , levorex , YES , pure CEE , fish oil , metamucil.


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

Great job bro!! I'm kind of in the same boat as far as the starting gut goo. I'm 204 lbs, 5'9", 21% BF and haven't worked out in 6 mo. I was 207 lbs at 7% last Oct. Good to see how quick results can be seen. Inspiring. I've just started to keep a diet log and have worked out twice this week. Easing back into it.

>>> Glad I inspired bro . Yeah go easy back .....very easy or else you will hurt yourself , overtrain etc..


Victor

 

[Maxx Out]

AND without GEAR

I was getting ready so now I can start my cycle and get my body to where I want .

It was not easy by any means, actually at some points I almost went insane when thinking and dreaming with food ) but modesty aside I did a very good job .

In 8 weeks I slashed 7.2 inches of my waist and my arms are a bit bigger as they went from 17.3 inches to 18 inches flexing at home .

Start - 237 pounds - 41 inches waist
Finish - 209 pounds - 33.8 inches waist

I would roughly estimate that I lost 32 pounds of fat and gained around 5 pounds of muscle .

I would say I am probably around 10-12 % now , so it is time to start my cycle and ( last cycle was january 2002 ) get my body to 215 lbs and 5 % bodyfat , at least I hope LOL .

if anyone's interested I will show diet , suplements and training program

Victor

Good work bro!

 

[VictorBR]

Good work bro!

thanks man


Victor

 

[alltraps]

so u gained almost an inch on your arms while dropping almost 30lbs? is that even possible with gear? not saying u didnt do it, but this must be a one in a million case. either way, good luck with your cycle

 

[VictorBR]

so u gained almost an inch on your arms while dropping almost 30lbs? is that even possible with gear? not saying u didnt do it, but this must be a one in a million case. either way, good luck with your cycle

>> well if I didn't gain ONE FULL INCH I am 100 % sure that AT LEAST I gained 0.5 , as everybody is also saying that classic line " Your arms are looking bigger "

Well , EVEN if my arms remained the same size I would still say that I GAINED something because I lost so much fat , that if I didn't have gained anything they would sure be smaller by now , and they are bigger at LEAST 0.5 inches.


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

so u gained almost an inch on your arms while dropping almost 30lbs? is that even possible with gear? not saying u didnt do it, but this must be a one in a million case. either way, good luck with your cycle

>>> You see , there are good things about being an endo-mesomorph . I for example can easily grow on low calorie as long as I keep my protein very high , as you can see I am 209 pounds and NEVER did a bulking cycle ( eating above BMR ) or a BULKING DIET in my life . Since I started bodybuilding I have always been fighting to get rid of fat so always low calories , always cutting ...etc...

Being an endmorph ain't that bad like people make it to be , I took a vacation for 4 months before starting this regimen and I wasn't eating protein at all , no training , only junk food for 4 months and still only lost around 3 pounds of muscle , and that is with no protein and no training for 4 months , ok I was eating high calories but all junk , I should have lost more than 3 lbs of muscle that is for sure .

My last cycle was 2002 eating 2000 cals for 8 weeks , very small doses of EQ ( 350 week) , winny ( 50 ED ) and HGH ( 2 IU ED ) and still gained something like 8 pounds of muscle .

I can get fat by just looking at food , but I also can grow by just looking at the weights , so it is a double edge sword .



Victor

 

[thelion2005]

>>> Glad I inspired bro . Yeah go easy back .....very easy or else you will hurt yourself , overtrain etc..


Victor

Nothing speaks louder than success and you achieved that. ::applause::

Some questions:
Diet -
It would seem you purged fast carbs out and kept a measured amount of slow, high fiber carbs. Is this correct?

You held yourself to a fixed number of calories. What was your logic in arriving at the number?

Routine -
Aerobics ... high impact? low? slow? Do I read correctly that it was 1 hour?

It seems you hit each muscle group once per week with a traditional number of reps ... not twice or three times. How did you arrive at this decision? Did you find it difficult to resume your exercises for a body part after 6 days away from it?

Supplements -
Any supplements beside the whey? Vits? Herbs? Other?

Blood testing -
Did you have any blood work done? I'll bet your cholesterol levels really improved ... and probably bp.

Again ... Very good work!!!

 

[Mikus]

>>> You see , there are good things about being an endo-mesomorph . I for example can easily grow on low calorie as long as I keep my protein very high , as you can see I am 209 pounds and NEVER did a bulking cycle ( eating above BMR ) or a BULKING DIET in my life . Since I started bodybuilding I have always been fighting to get rid of fat so always low calories , always cutting ...etc...

Being an endmorph ain't that bad like people make it to be , I took a vacation for 4 months before starting this regimen and I wasn't eating protein at all , no training , only junk food for 4 months and still only lost around 3 pounds of muscle , and that is with no protein and no training for 4 months , ok I was eating high calories but all junk , I should have lost more than 3 lbs of muscle that is for sure .

My last cycle was 2002 eating 2000 cals for 8 weeks , very small doses of EQ ( 350 week) , winny ( 50 ED ) and HGH ( 2 IU ED ) and still gained something like 8 pounds of muscle .

I can get fat by just looking at food , but I also can grow by just looking at the weights , so it is a double edge sword .



Victor

Word, i'm an endo as well, but sometimes i do wish i could always be lean by eating whatever the hell i want lol...most the time i like being an endo though, especially as far as gaining muscle is concerned

 

[VictorBR]

Nothing speaks louder than success and you achieved that. ::applause::

>>>>thanks a lot bro



Some questions:
Diet -
It would seem you purged fast carbs out and kept a measured amount of slow, high fiber carbs. Is this correct?

>>> Exactly , no SUGAR AKA HIGH GLYCEMIC CARBS AT ALL . The only time where I would use it is after weight training where I used HONEY , even thought it is HIGH GLYCEMIC I read a lot about it and it doesn't spike insulin levels that much meaning you can keep burning fat .

You held yourself to a fixed number of calories. What was your logic in arriving at the number?

>>> I have been experimenting with diet for a long time bro and I have come to a conclusion that anything more than 500 CALS BELOW BMR , and you risk losing some muscle and slowing your metabolism

Routine -
Aerobics ... high impact? low? slow? Do I read correctly that it was 1 hour?

>>>>> slow to moderate intensity , and yes 45-60 minutes


It seems you hit each muscle group once per week with a traditional number of reps ... not twice or three times. How did you arrive at this decision? Did you find it difficult to resume your exercises for a body part after 6 days away from it?

>>>> I do think you need rest to grow , most people overtrain , if you hit your chest with crazy intensity on monday , you didn;t work just your chest , you also worked your shoulders and tris . That is my logic . And 6 days to hit your chest again IMO makes it a very nice REST .




Supplements -
Any supplements beside the whey? Vits? Herbs? Other?


>>> the suplements are listed there bro


Blood testing -
Did you have any blood work done? I'll bet your cholesterol levels really improved ... and probably bp.

Again ... Very good work!!!

>>> No blood work done but I am sure I am healthier all around . thanks bro


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

Word, i'm an endo as well, but sometimes i do wish i could always be lean by eating whatever the hell i want lol...most the time i like being an endo though, especially as far as gaining muscle is concerned

>>> Exactly sometimes I would wish to be an ecto as well , but overral it is not bad being an endo .


Victor

 

[Beachbum1546]

7:30 - AEROBICS

how about you take off the leg warmers and sweatbands and do some cardio.

 

[VictorBR]

how about you take off the leg warmers and sweatbands and do some cardio.

>> LOL , ok I will try that


BTW - at your avatar

Victor

 

[Neo22]

>> well if I didn't gain ONE FULL INCH I am 100 % sure that AT LEAST I gained 0.5 , as everybody is also saying that classic line " Your arms are looking bigger "

Well , EVEN if my arms remained the same size I would still say that I GAINED something because I lost so much fat , that if I didn't have gained anything they would sure be smaller by now , and they are bigger at LEAST 0.5 inches.


Victor

They ARN"T BIGGER. They appear larger due to the new defintion you have. NO measurements no care. You can't judge based on omg I look bigger. SOrry.

 

[VictorBR]

They ARN"T BIGGER. They appear larger due to the new defintion you have. NO measurements no care. You can't judge based on omg I look bigger. SOrry.

>>> Are you blind ? READ Before you post . I took measures .

Sorry but they are BIGGER , I can feel but how tight are the shirts AND DO you think I threw those numbers out of the water ?

I did measure MY ARMS before and after and even if I SOMEHOW measured WRONG I can clearly say that they are at least 0.5 inches bigger as I am ALSO stronger all across the board BTW . I would say that PURECEE played a big role , see I was OFF CREATINE for 3 years and then I started using the best creatine EVER . I think that played a big role

Victor

 

[needsize]

nice work, nice to see someone doing it by hardwork, instead of the usual "I am 25% bodyfat, do you think dnp is for me"....
I've dropped about the same amount, 6.5" in around 10 weeks, makes a huge difference in your appearance

 

[CENTURION44]

I do it every year...I only put on fat in my belly area...I dont gain more than 20lbs though...When I bulk up in the winter..I pack on an extra 20lbs in fat...sucks ass..and by june1 the weight is gone and I dont lose any muscle mass...I dont get the debate over losing muslce when losing fat...If your not overdoing it..you can make nice muslce gains and lose fat....any medical studies on this...

 

[VictorBR]

nice work, nice to see someone doing it by hardwork, instead of the usual "I am 25% bodyfat, do you think dnp is for me"....
I've dropped about the same amount, 6.5" in around 10 weeks, makes a huge difference in your appearance

>>thx bro , i totally gree there is no point in take AAS or DNP or clen or any other drug if you are over 20 % , just diet and training alone can get you easily to 10-12 % .

Over 20 % you are so out of shape that it is not worth to take performace enhacing drugs , if there is no performance what exactly are you going to enhance ?

about the appearance , yeah man what a huge ,insane difference ..that is for sure


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

I do it every year...I only put on fat in my belly area...I dont gain more than 20lbs though...When I bulk up in the winter..I pack on an extra 20lbs in fat...sucks ass..and by june1 the weight is gone and I dont lose any muscle mass...I dont get the debate over losing muslce when losing fat...If your not overdoing it..you can make nice muslce gains and lose fat....any medical studies on this...

>>> exactly ,and there is some people who still says that you can't increase lbm while dropping bodyfat at the same time . I think this should be a known fact by now .


Victor

 

[lundmaster]

Dear Victor:

I am very very interested in seeing your diet, suppliiment, and workout method! Seriously your doing something that I am not doing.

lund

AND without GEAR

I was getting ready so now I can start my cycle and get my body to where I want .

It was not easy by any means, actually at some points I almost went insane when thinking and dreaming with food ) but modesty aside I did a very good job .

In 8 weeks I slashed 7.2 inches of my waist and my arms are a bit bigger as they went from 17.3 inches to 18 inches flexing at home .

Start - 237 pounds - 41 inches waist
Finish - 209 pounds - 33.8 inches waist

I would roughly estimate that I lost 32 pounds of fat and gained around 5 pounds of muscle .

I would say I am probably around 10-12 % now , so it is time to start my cycle and ( last cycle was january 2002 ) get my body to 215 lbs and 5 % bodyfat , at least I hope LOL .

if anyone's interested I will show diet , suplements and training program

Victor

 

[VictorBR]

Dear Victor:

I am very very interested in seeing your diet, suppliiment, and workout method! Seriously your doing something that I am not doing.

lund

>>> just scroll there bro I have outlined everything

Victor

 

[Neo22]

>>> exactly ,and there is some people who still says that you can't increase lbm while dropping bodyfat at the same time . I think this should be a known fact by now .


Victor

post up your studies otherwise everything is flawed. How are you going to increase the size of a muscle without increasing the intake of food being over maintenance calories? If you are on aas I can see it possible but not naturally. I'm going to go and say you measured wrong, at a diff time of the day, moreso after a workout or after a carbup etc...

 

[VictorBR]

post up your studies otherwise everything is flawed. How are you going to increase the size of a muscle without increasing the intake of food being over maintenance calories? If you are on aas I can see it possible but not naturally. I'm going to go and say you measured wrong, at a diff time of the day, moreso after a workout or after a carbup etc...

I love to prove people wrong .

and BTW - it's simple.

Protein Synthesized due to muscular hypertrophy(i.e. you rip the muscle, and the muscle itself grows back bigger and larger) has to be >(Greater than ) Protein Catabolism(degradation).

With one restriction. The protein synthesized due to exogeneous means must be within the boundaries of a person's ability to generate protein synthesis.

If all this is true + the restriction....you grow. Even on lowered calories


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

Also , the piece of the puzzle you are missing is that your body can utilise energy other than dietary nutrients for use both for atp synthesis, and skeletal muscle synthesis.

the trick is to be able to use the food you eat (particularly protein) to build new muscle while using your existing energy stores (fat) to fuel the bodys ATP needs more than usual.

then of course you should consider taht metabolism isnt a constant. metabolism = anabolism + catabolism. eating less food and training may decrease overall metabolism, but that is no guarantee that the anabolic component/processes we are interested in (muscle growth) will be any less in the calorie restricted state than in the normal caloric state.

Is that enough explanation for you ?

Victor

 

[VictorBR]

Using AAS I can say it is easy to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time specially if you are not an ADVANCED bodybuilder , and without AAS , I am gonna say it could be hard BUT FAR FROM IMPOSSIBLE like I JUST PROVED to you .


Victor

 

[Neo22]

Also , the piece of the puzzle you are missing is that your body can utilise energy other than dietary nutrients for use both for atp synthesis, and skeletal muscle synthesis.

the trick is to be able to use the food you eat (particularly protein) to build new muscle while using your existing energy stores (fat) to fuel the bodys ATP needs more than usual.

then of course you should consider taht metabolism isnt a constant. metabolism = anabolism + catabolism. eating less food and training may decrease overall metabolism, but that is no guarantee that the anabolic component/processes we are interested in (muscle growth) will be any less in the calorie restricted state than in the normal caloric state.

Is that enough explanation for you ?

Victor

without any citing your whole post is flawed along with the above.

 

[JIMguy]

I still can't see my abs thought , only the upper a liiiiiiil bit , I am sure it is also due to lack of development of the muscle itself .

I am aiming for a 30 - 31 inches waist so I can have my six pack


Victor

Not trying to be a jerk or anything at all cuz obviously you put in a lot of hard work and made some great improvements to your physique, but if you can barely see your upper abs you are arent near 10 or 12% (most people dont understand that that is pretty lean). Also, the idea that you can't see your abs better do to a "lack of development" is pretty much wrong. We all have pretty good looking abs, its just a matter of bodyfat (diet). Great job tho regardless.

 

[dali]

I love to prove people wrong .

and BTW - it's simple.

Protein Synthesized due to muscular hypertrophy(i.e. you rip the muscle, and the muscle itself grows back bigger and larger) has to be >(Greater than ) Protein Catabolism(degradation).

With one restriction. The protein synthesized due to exogeneous means must be within the boundaries of a person's ability to generate protein synthesis.

If all this is true + the restriction....you grow. Even on lowered calories


Victor

I call BS!

It is IMPOSSIBLE to make lean muscle gains while on a caloric deficient diet.

 

[Whacked]

Great work Vic! Proud of ya man!

 

[Neo22]

I call BS!

It is IMPOSSIBLE to make lean muscle gains while on a caloric deficient diet.

unless taking AAS. If it were actually true none of us would say you either bulk or cut not, omg you can gain lbm and lose fat at the same time.

 

[LVTitan]

Not trying to be a jerk or anything at all cuz obviously you put in a lot of hard work and made some great improvements to your physique, but if you can barely see your upper abs you are arent near 10 or 12% (most people dont understand that that is pretty lean). Also, the idea that you can't see your abs better do to a "lack of development" is pretty much wrong. We all have pretty good looking abs, its just a matter of bodyfat (diet). Great job tho regardless.

have to disagree with youbro.. i've never been over 10%in my life. and i dont work out my abs at all, ever. even at around 6-7% my abs are not "showing" unless i flex them a little, i just dont have development there.
look at this pic, that is with them flexed, and i dare you to tell me i have a high BF%....
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4900/photo216xy.jpg
this was during a bulking cycle, and i was retaining a little water and bloat around the midsection, but my bf is not high and my abs are hard to see normally

 

[Tweakle]

pics?

 

[VictorBR]

without any citing your whole post is flawed along with the above.

>>> Ok . Is this that you want to believe . Fine by me

 

[VictorBR]

I call BS!

It is IMPOSSIBLE to make lean muscle gains while on a caloric deficient diet.

>>> LOL , ok it is impossible then ! You guys are right ! LOL


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

have to disagree with youbro.. i've never been over 10%in my life. and i dont work out my abs at all, ever. even at around 6-7% my abs are not "showing" unless i flex them a little, i just dont have development there.
look at this pic, that is with them flexed, and i dare you to tell me i have a high BF%....
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4900/photo216xy.jpg
this was during a bulking cycle, and i was retaining a little water and bloat around the midsection, but my bf is not high and my abs are hard to see normally

>>>> Exactly , when you see that skinny guy on the streets , and you can barely see his biceps , shoulders or tris , even thought he is at a low percent bodyfat , that is because his muscles are not developed . For you muscles to show , you need low percent % AND FULLY DEVELOPED MUSCLES , NOT just low percent bodyfat .

I reaaly never trained my abs with consistency , I will start doing this now and see what happens .


Victor

 

[needsize]

I've said this a number of times before, for an advanced lifter/bodybuilder, I dont believe its possible to lose fat and gain mass at the same time, its too damn hard just to gain mass period. But there can be exceptions, ie, say you have been clean for a while, and have lost a bunch of muscle mass. Then you jump on a cycle, even in a calorie deficit, you may be able to put on mass that you already had before.
With people newer to training, the rules can be very different

 

[wayneboard1]

>>> You see , there are good things about being an endo-mesomorph . I for example can easily grow on low calorie as long as I keep my protein very high , as you can see I am 209 pounds and NEVER did a bulking cycle ( eating above BMR ) or a BULKING DIET in my life . Since I started bodybuilding I have always been fighting to get rid of fat so always low calories , always cutting ...etc...

Being an endmorph ain't that bad like people make it to be , I took a vacation for 4 months before starting this regimen and I wasn't eating protein at all , no training , only junk food for 4 months and still only lost around 3 pounds of muscle , and that is with no protein and no training for 4 months , ok I was eating high calories but all junk , I should have lost more than 3 lbs of muscle that is for sure .

My last cycle was 2002 eating 2000 cals for 8 weeks , very small doses of EQ ( 350 week) , winny ( 50 ED ) and HGH ( 2 IU ED ) and still gained something like 8 pounds of muscle .

I can get fat by just looking at food , but I also can grow by just looking at the weights , so it is a double edge sword .



Victor

That last sentence is me in a nutshell. man, good to know there are others in this boat that hears the donuts calling to them at 3AM. Damm entemens........*drool* I must of missed this post when it started so good work bro those are awesome results.

 

[VictorBR]

I've said this a number of times before, for an advanced lifter/bodybuilder, I dont believe its possible to lose fat and gain mass at the same time, its too damn hard just to gain mass period. But there can be exceptions, ie, say you have been clean for a while, and have lost a bunch of muscle mass. Then you jump on a cycle, even in a calorie deficit, you may be able to put on mass that you already had before.
With people newer to training, the rules can be very different

>>> Exactly , I was 4 MONTHS OFF THE GYM and off protein , I was just eating junk food and relaxing , I have been working out and dieting for my whole life so I said : " You know what ? I need a break " , and then 4 months without TOUCHING a weight or eating anything close TO DECENT .

I gained a LOT of fat ( of course ) and lost some muscle , just a lil bit .

When I got back to the gym and increased my protein intake dramatically , I really just gained what I have lost in the first place , muscles have memory and it is not hard to get them back to the SIZE they were before you lost them

AND like I said ,I was off CREATINE for 3 years and started using PURE CEE , I am sure it helped me a LOT .


NOw , of course like needsize said Ronnie Coleman can not put on a single pound of mass when DIETING ( caloric deficit ) because he already carries 300 pounds of mass , he is at a point that for him to gain mass he probably need 20.000 calories a day , but I think , and you probably agree that I am pretty different from Ronnie Coleman as he is 300 lbs and 3 % when I am 209 lbs and 12 % .


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

That last sentence is me in a nutshell. man, good to know there are others in this boat that hears the donuts calling to them at 3AM. Damm entemens........*drool* I must of missed this post when it started so good work bro those are awesome results.

>>> LOL , it can get pretty bad sometimes , donuts , pizzas , mexican , cheesecakes , melted fries , onion rings , you name it ... lol


Victor

 

[mendo]

>>> LOL , it can get pretty bad sometimes , donuts , pizzas , mexican , cheesecakes , melted fries , onion rings , you name it ... lol


Victor

What kind foods did you eat on your 10,000 cal off days?

 

[wayneboard1]

>>> LOL , it can get pretty bad sometimes , donuts , pizzas , mexican , cheesecakes , melted fries , onion rings , you name it ... lol


Victor

hey thanks man...now I am STARVING! LOL

 

[VictorBR]

hey thanks man...now I am STARVING! LOL

>>>> LOL my bad

Victor

 

[VictorBR]

What kind foods did you eat on your 10,000 cal off days?

>>> All kinds of junk food you can imagine . RARELY instead of 10.000 calories of junk food I would go for like 5000-7000 calories of good stuff , but most of the time was junk food like pizza ( extra cheese , cheddar cheese ) , cheese bread , mexican , double fudge brownies etc , hersheys milkshakes etc.... Those hersheys milkshakes have 100 g sugar each one LOL , after taking it my insulin levels would spike so much and make me so tired that I would HAVE to fall asleep


Victor

 

[VictorBR]

What kind foods did you eat on your 10,000 cal off days?

>>> I gotta say something here though : I think my strategy about eating 10.000 calories of junk food every 14 days might not be the best thing . Actually it is NOT the best thing .You could go with 5000-6000 calories of clean food , that is probably much better for you . Gives your metabolism a boost and you still take in quality food/cals to nourish your body.


Victor

 

[Killer_Clown]

Hey Victor


hey man congrats for the hard work man


good job bro

 

[b_mit]

i have lost weight and gained muscle. Of course it can be done. If you are near your genetic limit in muscle of course it can't. I too have used muscle memory to gain back muscle while losing fat.

 

[VictorBR]

i have lost weight and gained muscle. Of course it can be done. If you are near your genetic limit in muscle of course it can't. I too have used muscle memory to gain back muscle while losing fat.

>>>>

 

[irish lad]

>>>>

well done victor!!

victor did you ever sample with DNP before?

27yr old 6.2 weight around 18 stone

i am taking DNP 400 mg WITH HGH ginitropin at the moment 5 ius per day 7 days a week, i have been on the HGH for at least 10 weeks, and i do have a high cardio training, 5 days per week,but as you said you can get fat by looking at the food , i eat a mars bar or a bag of crisp i can feel it straight away on my face!!

by the way thi sis my 5th -6th day on the DNP .


and victor nice to see you know your stuff bigtime!!
hopefully you can help

irish lad

 

[Stacemranger]

It seems you hit each muscle group once per week with a traditional number of reps ... not twice or three times. How did you arrive at this decision? Did you find it difficult to resume your exercises for a body part after 6 days away from it?

That's not hard to do. I do that now, almost exact same split and I am doing very well. Just have to want to do it.

 

[Stacemranger]

Great job on your gains and losses! K to you!

 

[VictorBR]

That's not hard to do. I do that now, almost exact same split and I am doing very well. Just have to want to do it.

>>> Exactly I don't think it is really hard at all ..


Victor