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What kind of lifts are you putting up...

Bench

Squats

Deadlift

Just wondering what the XXL group is throwing around...
 
6 foot, 250 even (for now:)):
Best bench: 375
Best Olympic, ATG squat: 515
Best deadlift: 500

You didn't ask but:
Best push-press: 265
Best CGBP: 315x7
Best box squat: 525
Best parallel, strict BB row: 300x3
Best front squat: 345
 
I'm about 240, but I've been over 250 many times. I'm 5' 11" ++.

Bench bench is 425, deadlift is 605, and ass to the floor olympic squat is 515.
 
I'm feeling discriminated against. Why doesn't anyone ask what us powerhouses in the 170 range are lifting? LoL

It's all about the relative strength, yo.
 
Yeah, I really hate the relative strength argument because I feel that it minimizes the weight that some of the bigger guys are pushing.

If you start evaluating things on weight, then should also consider how long someones arms are, how long their legs are...those factors would effect the weight their lifting also.

Of course, I weigh 289...so I never have liked the relative weight argument.
 
I'm 36...I weigh 289...I'm 6'2...

I only do 3/4 deads, and I havent done squats in year because of my knees...

I'm benching 315 for 12

And 225 for 22 at the end of my workout.

I cutting naturally right now.
 
Guinness5.0 said:
6 foot, 250 even (for now:)):
Best bench: 375
Best Olympic, ATG squat: 515
Best deadlift: 500

You didn't ask but:
Best push-press: 265
Best CGBP: 315x7
Best box squat: 525
Best parallel, strict BB row: 300x3
Best front squat: 345
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front squating 345 is beastly
 
LoL The relative strength bit was a joke. It just makes small guys feel good 'bout themselves. Lol We need something to get us through the day.
 
I'm 295 right now and I won't use my current numbers because they still suck from my 6 month lay off from the gym. Here's my lifetime best.

Bench 405 raw
Squat 505 @ 265 bw belt and knee wraps
Deadlift 550 belt only

Others:
Pushpress 315
Seated shoulder press 275x3
Rack pull 705
Leg press 1,600x4
Hammer curls 100lb db's for 5 each arm

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
28
280 or so
6'2"

Raw Squat: 662
Front Squat Raw: 441 (needs to be beat)
OLY Squat: 603 I think
Close Grip: 412 (rarely press much flat)
Log Clean and Strict Press: 300 x 1
Deadlift: 730 x 1, raw, after box squats
Deadlift from 14" (normal is about 9.5") 705 x 6 on Sunday

I'm not that great at gym lifts though...I'm much better at the Strongman Events.
 
b fold...quit screwin around and put up some real weight...
 
thebigbabboon said:
b fold...quit screwin around and put up some real weight...
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I'm trying as best as I can. There are people about my same size or a little bigger doing A LOT more than I am as well. I just have to GET there.
 
All joking aside. B Fold you are throwing up some major weight. It is easy to get lazy at my gym. It's filled with weekend warriors, blue-haired geriatrics, and middle age crisis.

When we go heavy, its gets attention. You can become comfortable with that. And not push yourself. Because nobody else is moving any weight.
 
No offense to anyone but I'm a little guy (5'10", 205lbs) so the weight lifted should be looked at as a percentage of the individuals body weight. I am much more impressed when a guy my size reps out 325 with perfect form than when a hoss (fat or just big) gets on the bench and see's how high he can bounce 350 or so off his chest. Alot of people watch in amazement at this feat of strength but I watch just to see if there chest cavity will collapse. Just thought I'd give a view point from a little mans eyes.
 
Who said anything about bad form? A gym jackass is a jackass no matter how big or small.

And there is a point of diminishing returns. It is easier for a 150 pounder to get a triple bodyweight squat then it is for a 300 pounder.
 
As long as good form is maintained and the weight is a decent amount over the individual's body weight than more power to them. Besides just the simple weight factor why is the last statment above true? I know your right, it only makes sense but if you look at the numbers and such the 300lber should be able to advance as quickly as the 150lber. If you take away the fact the lighter person will be doing less weight look at it from the other side. The 300lber has more body mass, more muscle mass, more stability, and more acomadated to move the heavier weight. With all that said I guess the main problem is that damn thing called gravity. 600lbs is pretty damn heavy any way you look at it.
 
When one gains bodyweight, the potential for absolute strength increases, however the potential for pound for pound strength decreases exponentially. I don't know the science behind it, or I'd go into more depth, lol....a 150lb guy deadlifting triple bodyweight is at 450, an excellent lift, but a 300lb guy deadlifting triple bodyweight is at 900, and that makes him one of less than a handful of guys who have ever breathed.

A good lift is a good lift, and a gym ass clown is a gym ass clown....for every fat guy bouncing more weight than he can handle off his chest, there are just as many skinny guys raising their ass a mile off the bench and having their spotter row more weight than they can handle off their chest......but, I do agree, a respectable lift with good form is what we're all discussing here, and regardless of bodyweight and formulas and numbers, anybody lifting heavy (heavym or just heavy for them) with solid form has my respect.
 
On what's a good lift - To be honest, and I know this is a point of contention, I do not get anything out of seeing a guy who looks like an out of shape truck driver putting up 500 in a double stitched shirt, moving the weight maybe 8 whole inches off his 50" power-gut and getting his white's... But then I dont give a shit about a 180lb guy benching 225 for reps in the gym with 'perfect form' either.

I rarely see anyone in my gym who lifts anything worth mentioning, but one heavyweight bodybuilder not far from contest form was doing reps with 455 on the decline a few months back. That impressed the hell out of me (he was 260, but about 8% at that weight)
 
This thread coincides with the arguments on "300 or 315".

And the point I made on that thread is the same one I will make here....

Heavy=Heavy ... No matter who's arse is underneath it.

If you are going to look at lifts in porportion to body weight, then you need to start looking at the length of someone's arms, torso, and leggz.

I mean after all you guys want to be completely objective. A sawed off fart with a wide grip and arms no longer then a 5 year old girl...moving 300 lbs...not impressed according to your relative standards.

Heavy is Heavy. Hush and put some more weight on the bar.
 
thebigbabboon said:
This thread coincides with the arguments on "300 or 315".

And the point I made on that thread is the same one I will make here....

Heavy=Heavy ... No matter who's arse is underneath it.

If you are going to look at lifts in porportion to body weight, then you need to start looking at the length of someone's arms, torso, and leggz.

I mean after all you guys want to be completely objective. A sawed off fart with a wide grip and arms no longer then a 5 year old girl...moving 300 lbs...not impressed according to your relative standards.

Heavy is Heavy. Hush and put some more weight on the bar.
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I agree. I have a 79" reach and I'm only 6'0" . I weigh 240 and have a one rep max of 475lbs. I do 225 for 25-30 reps.
 
You guys are all beasts!!!
I'm weighin in at 225 now ~15%, but my lifts are nowhere near all of yours... Gotta keep at it!



"Scotsman:
Hammer curls 100lb db's for 5 each arm"

I'd love to see the look on some of the bicep-squad guys faces while they're swinging with 40lbs and you're banging out 100lbers.... :p
 
I know what you mean about arm length. Mine are average but I saw a built back guy at the gym a while ago (have not seen him for some time) who was about 6'5" and I'd always joke with him that it looked like he was going to touch the ceiling when he was benching. Every one's weight was pumping in time all about the same height and there would be him with the weight going about 18" higher than all the others. The only true power lifter I've seen at my gym is this big russian (two s's or one?) looking guy. Not fat but built. He's strong as a horse and some of the weight he puts up is amazing. I kept stealing his shit one day on accident (weights, cable atachments, machines) and I walked up to him and said "I hope your not as fast as you are big, cause I keep stealing your stuff on acident" and he just laughed and said he pulled a muscle in his calf so I could out run him easily. Nice guy.
 
sidney61199 said:
No offense to anyone but I'm a little guy (5'10", 205lbs) so the weight lifted should be looked at as a percentage of the individuals body weight. I am much more impressed when a guy my size reps out 325 with perfect form than when a hoss (fat or just big) gets on the bench and see's how high he can bounce 350 or so off his chest. Alot of people watch in amazement at this feat of strength but I watch just to see if there chest cavity will collapse. Just thought I'd give a view point from a little mans eyes.
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I find it funny when people like you post crap like this. The amount of weight lifted is affected by height on a lot of lifts. I'm 6'5" 280 lbs and I have a hard time on bench because I'm pushing the weight probably a good 7 or more inches then someone your height. Same goes for squats, If I go atf, I got a lot longer way to push that weight up then someone who is 5'10" or so. No I'm not makin excuses for the amount of weight I am currently using on lifts. I am pretty weak right now compared to where I was 2.5 years ago. But the amount of weight lifted has 2 big factors, training and diet. It wouldn't matter if I was 210 right now, I would still have relatively the same numbers due to the fact that I wouldn't train differently.
 
For many, perfect form consists of not touching down just so that they can't be accused of bouncing. It's like the guys who tell you that they have perfect form on their squats and, what's more, they always try to go near to parallel.
 
lee, I find it funny you defend your point so strongly. There are two sides of the argument if you think so or not. Sure you have farther to go with the weight but hell you can support more weight with your frame than people my size could lift due to the fact that your size makes you more stabil in dealing with heavier weights. So you can argue the "I have farther to move the weight" point and I'll argue "for your size who gives a crap if you have to move it farther".

I do apolagize for high jacking the thread, I just thought I'd bring another side to the issue into view. I'm not saying that anyone is right or wrong just that there are two ways to look at it.
 
Consider someone 4"0' weighing 251 as against someone 6"5' weighing 251. If you only take bodyweight into account then these two guys should be fairly matched. I trust that everyone can see that it's unlikely that they would be.
 
coeus said:
You guys are all beasts!!!
I'm weighin in at 225 now ~15%, but my lifts are nowhere near all of yours... Gotta keep at it!



"Scotsman:
Hammer curls 100lb db's for 5 each arm"

I'd love to see the look on some of the bicep-squad guys faces while they're swinging with 40lbs and you're banging out 100lbers.... :p
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I think people assume I am about to do shrugs when I pick up anything over the 75's. I then get the "oh no it's Godzilla" look, but I am used to that since I lift at a pretty sissy gym.

Cheers,
Scotsman
 
sidney61199 said:
lee, I find it funny you defend your point so strongly. There are two sides of the argument if you think so or not. Sure you have farther to go with the weight but hell you can support more weight with your frame than people my size could lift due to the fact that your size makes you more stabil in dealing with heavier weights. So you can argue the "I have farther to move the weight" point and I'll argue "for your size who gives a crap if you have to move it farther".

I do apolagize for high jacking the thread, I just thought I'd bring another side to the issue into view. I'm not saying that anyone is right or wrong just that there are two ways to look at it.
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What the hell are you blabbering about. How does having a longer frame make it easier to support more weight on something like bench press? Having longer arms means at full extension its further from my body, which means my arms have to work extra to keep it stable. What I was trying to say is that being short has a plus on some lifts, and being tall has a plus on some lifts. I defend my point strongly because I'm right.
 
I can make this whole thing real simple.

Any person picking up 300 lbs or greater on any lift...You have my respect.

Now on certain lifts like curls and others...use your common sense...all of us know the definition of heavy.
 
Lee, dude, chill. I'm talking the weight advantage. The more you weigh the more weight you should be able to handle. The whole length thing is out of the picture I'm talking weight here. Notice in the quote that you quoted me I keep refering to "farther to go" (which would be the distance the weight travels) and "Size" (the over all size of the individual, as in mass/weight).

Also did anyone notice the guy who won the lift/strenght competion at the Arnold Clasic (I live in columbus where it's held) was 7'1"? He had to move the weight a little extra distance and still won. Don't quote me on the exact weight (I'm sure it could be found on the net) but I think he dead lifted like 1000lbs or some thing.
 
Taller shouldn't be a hinderence, unless the height is accompanied by unusual proportions (which seems to be the case often times). If I were 8 feet tall but all my proportions remained the same, I'm sure my strength : weight ratio would be identical.
 
My argument is simply...if you are going to look at relative factors...you have to examine them all.

Your weight is not the single determination of how heavy your lift is....

Recently I have dropped 17lbs...my bench is still the same...does that mean I am lifting more...Naaaah, still feels the same heavy...

This weight argument came from some sawed off little turd who was intimidated by a bigger guy. Just the same way the argument of "size doesnt matter" comes from a woman trying to console her short penis husband.
 
i'm 5'10" but i'd much rather be about 5-6 inches taller and be that much wider as well - a BW of 300lbs would be much more gettable then. at this height, if i could get to 260, that would be very good.
 
You must spread some Karma around before giving it to blut wump again.
 
Who's the sawed off little turd? I'm 5'10", 5'11" with no shoes on so with shoes on I'm just about 6'. I wish I was taller but 6" isn't a sawed off little turd I hope.

Guinness5.0, on page 2 said exactly what I've been meaning. "Taller shouldn't be a hinderence, unless the height is accompanied by unusual proportions". If your arms arn't draging the ground or hitting your knees than your in proportion with your weight and frame so your height should not effect the amount of weight you can do. If height is such a hindrence (spelling) than why are most strong men well over 6'?
 
I'm 6'5 and most of my height come from my legs.

Everyone I've seen so far has talked about bench but what about squats? ;)

When I used to train with the other football players in high school, one of our O-linemen was squatting over 500 and was always ragging me because I couldn't get more than 300. (This was paralell with a beeper)

I finally really thought about it one day and realized that since he was about 5'7 it only took about a 5-6" drop for him to be parallel while it was taking (and still takes) me about a 9-10"+ drop for parallel. No matter how heavy the weight is, it seems to take more energy for a guy with longer legs to squat. So when I see a guy that's under 6'0 squatting 400lbs, while it is impressive, it's not as impressive as a 6'5"+ guy doing the same weight.
 
VSUdude said:
I'm 6'5 and most of my height come from my legs.

Everyone I've seen so far has talked about bench but what about squats? ;)

When I used to train with the other football players in high school, one of our O-linemen was squatting over 500 and was always ragging me because I couldn't get more than 300. (This was paralell with a beeper)

I finally really thought about it one day and realized that since he was about 5'7 it only took about a 5-6" drop for him to be parallel while it was taking (and still takes) me about a 9-10"+ drop for parallel. No matter how heavy the weight is, it seems to take more energy for a guy with longer legs to squat. So when I see a guy that's under 6'0 squatting 400lbs, while it is impressive, it's not as impressive as a 6'5"+ guy doing the same weight.
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you do realize that this is a huge difference? that guy would have probably still outsquatted you had he been taller with similar proportions. for all you know the difference would have been much larger had he been bigger. this doesn't qualify as an example for short guys having an advantage over taller guys.
 
I dont think some tall guys like to think of shorter people outperforming them in any way. Outside the gym, the taller guy is always the 'big' guy so it must be rationalized away if a 'smaller' man is lifting more than him.

I hear the excuse that ''well I have long arms'' and smile, as that's almost always coming from the same person who thinks of themselves as 'bigger' in the muscled sense than a 'smaller' guy with a way greater ponderal index (weight:height ratio). I had one hocky boy telling me how big he was compared to the resident gym tree stump at my last gym ( who was 5'4" and 240). Doesn't work that way :rainbow:

wow that got way off topic

to bring it back, my best lifts @ 250ish were 705 deadlift (actually that was done at 240), 635 box squat, 425 bench and rack pulling 675 from below the knees for 8. Of course I was lucky being short :)
 
I'd REALLY like to see a comprehensive analysis of height, weight, limb lengths & diameters, tendon lengths & diameters, fiber types & number, etc. of Olympic weightlifters, for example. I'd really like to see if, for example, the length of the shin versus the length of the femur taken with the width of the pelvis or something like that makes a difference and, if so, how much of a difference? Or does it just come down to training and CNS factors. . . .

I tell myself that my long femurs make me a crappy squatter. LoL
 
I guess I made kind of a shitty analogy silver_shadow.

I suppose it just seems common sense to me that moving X amount of weight 10" uses more energy than moving it 6" or so. But it also seems that many things involving the human body don't always follow common sense.

Anyway, after reading everyone else's numbers I can barely bring myself to post my own...:worried: but here they are:

Height: 6'5
Weight: 270
Bench Max: 305
Squat Max: 320

These are the only two lifts I've ever maxed on.
 
Protobuilder said:
I'm feeling discriminated against. Why doesn't anyone ask what us powerhouses in the 170 range are lifting? LoL

It's all about the relative strength, yo.
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The contention on this thread began with a comment made about relative strength from a guy that weighs 170 lbs.

You never hear the heavier guys discounting what anyone else is lifting unless they are makin an arse out of themselves.

But let a heavier guy put some weight on the bar and there's this little banty rooster piping up about how much he weighs.

If you look at weight, you have to look at a lot of factors. Like I said earlier in my post, that no one responded too...I have lost 17 lbs over the last three weeks...my lifts are the exact same...am I lifting more weight because I weigh less....NOPE, SAME WEIGHT.
 
Cause you lost fat not muscle. Get laid up in bed for a month (injury/sickness), lose about 5-10lbs of muscle and then see what your bench is.
 
Tweakle said:
I dont think some tall guys like to think of shorter people outperforming them in any way. Outside the gym, the taller guy is always the 'big' guy so it must be rationalized away if a 'smaller' man is lifting more than him.

I hear the excuse that ''well I have long arms'' and smile, as that's almost always coming from the same person who thinks of themselves as 'bigger' in the muscled sense than a 'smaller' guy with a way greater ponderal index (weight:height ratio). I had one hocky boy telling me how big he was compared to the resident gym tree stump at my last gym ( who was 5'4" and 240). Doesn't work that way :rainbow:
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Doesn't bother me one bit. I am yet to see someone in my gym taller then me, yet out of the regulars, I'm near the bottom strength wise. As for being the "big" guy outside of the gym, sure. It's not everyday you see someone 6'5" 280 pounds, but that doesn't mean I like being big or like the attention it brings me either. I would much rather be 5'11" or 6' then 6'5". Then I wouldn't be expected to be strong, and I could fit in with standard sized people.
 
Garry Frank held (at least at one time) the WR Powerlifting Total...and he is 6'5". Mike Miller isn't short. Most top powerlifters are not short.

Just a thought...

I'm short for my sport but you won't hear me complain about the "but pound for pound I'm stronger" issue. As far as I'm concerned...if they are bigger or stronger then they just did whatever I wasn't willing to do to get there. Taller? No excuse. Juoko Ahola was 5'10" and 265....
 
I hate to harp on the taller/longer limbs point, but the way I think about it, the person with the smaller limbs (shorter ROM) has a mechanical advantage over the guy with longer limbs. Think about it like if you were doing lat raises with arms bent with one weight, and tried to do lat raises with the arm fully extended. You'll surely find that you can do much less with the arm fully extended.


I'm 5"11 with a 78" wingspan, I know when I'm hitting the bench, I have quite a way to go :)
 
some impressive numbers everyone is posting

Ive been dieting for a show for awhile but suprisingly i stay pretty much just as sstrong precontest as I do offseason till the final 2 weeks were i purposely lower the weghts to avoid injury.
Offseason BW 260
contest 245(ya i get bigger when i compete cause its the only time of the year im on the shit)

Bench= 365x10
Squat= 605x2
Deadlift 605x2

other miscallaneous lifts im proud of
Duumbell Inclines 180'sx12
Standing laterals(decent form) 75x12
Bent rows 405x12
1 arm overhead tricep ext 70x15
Front squats 405x10
walking lunges 275x100 yards

those are the highlights..always tryin to get stronger..more weight with high reps is the key
 
b fold the truth said:
Garry Frank held (at least at one time) the WR Powerlifting Total...and he is 6'5". Mike Miller isn't short. Most top powerlifters are not short.

Just a thought...

I'm short for my sport but you won't hear me complain about the "but pound for pound I'm stronger" issue. As far as I'm concerned...if they are bigger or stronger then they just did whatever I wasn't willing to do to get there. Taller? No excuse. Juoko Ahola was 5'10" and 265....
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there's this scottish strongman (no not our own scotsman :p), i forgot his name though. he was around 5'10" or 11" and weighed 418lbs! an extremely fat 418lbs but he was one pretty strong mofo. this guy was called big daddy by the others! so much for having to be tall to be called big!
 
But I guess he's not impressive because his BF% is over 20...

That is friggin munsta!!!!!
 
Impressive strong wise but I'd rather be no where near as strong and not a fat ass. No offense to anyone, I just hate obesse people. A little chubby I can live with (not me, others) but obesse people bother me. Just my opinion, don't read to much into it.
 
i'm one of those sawed off little turds

i've hit some decent numbers, despite having to do all the crazy shiznit the military has me doing (like running 15-20 miles per week each morning)

but yeah, I'm 5'9, with stumps for legs and arms. I think my full ROM to get to parallel is about 4". :D
 
sidney61199 said:
Impressive strong wise but I'd rather be no where near as strong and not a fat ass. No offense to anyone, I just hate obesse people. A little chubby I can live with (not me, others) but obesse people bother me. Just my opinion, don't read to much into it.
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like you could even be that strong if you tried :rolleyes:
 
sidney61199 said:
Well that was a low blow but I guess your good at giving low blows arn't you.
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:rolleyes:
i could say that i could punch your lights out if met you in person, but then i'm not going to stoop to being an internet tough guy.
 
Oh I see you can make a smart ass remark to me but than when you get one back you want to start the internet bully thing, oh no I'm going to get my ass kicked on the www. If you can give a crack than learn to take one. What did I do rub your fat the wrong way? Ha, ha.
 
sidney61199 said:
Oh I see you can make a smart ass remark to me but than when you get one back you want to start the internet bully thing, oh no I'm going to get my ass kicked on the www. If you can give a crack than learn to take one. What did I do rub your fat the wrong way? Ha, ha.
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wow! you are one annoying little brat aren't you?! but then what do i know? at the end of summer, after you're done with your beach boy workouts, we will hopefully not see you and your like here... well, not until next year anyway. say all you like, i'm done.
 
VSUdude said:
I finally really thought about it one day and realized that since he was about 5'7 it only took about a 5-6" drop for him to be parallel while it was taking (and still takes) me about a 9-10"+ drop for parallel. No matter how heavy the weight is, it seems to take more energy for a guy with longer legs to squat. So when I see a guy that's under 6'0 squatting 400lbs, while it is impressive, it's not as impressive as a 6'5"+ guy doing the same weight.
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maybe not to you.
but, he's still stronger.
 
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