If you boys are really 7% in those pics, and I'm not doubting, then I'm closer to 7 than the 10 or so I thought I was at. I mean, say you were to compete, wouldn't you end up dropping more than only 5lbs of fat or so? Not flaming boys. That and my waist size and comparison pics is usually how I determine my bf since calipers tend to underguess IMO. As to their size and cycle history - the rest of you would more than likely be surprised how difficult it is to get HUGE and not FAT. I've seen some big fuckers but if they lost some of their bellies they'd look no where near as big with their shirts on, though they'd look a lot better with 'em off. I'm not saying they needed those doses necessarily, I dunno, I'm just saying that these guys are young relatively speaking. You want to be jacked in your early twenties and look exactly how you want, assuming these guys want to look like they do, then you have to make some sacrifices one way or the other. Now, to finish, I'm bigger than the both of you! weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................