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I had a really good friend in high school who was on our baseball team. He had a heart problem and he and his parents knew about it, but they let him play because he was unhappy when he wasn't playing. Baseball was his love. Long story short, the kid died at practice our junior year when he was 17. Passed right out at practice after feeling totally fine, maybe could've been saved but it took an ambulance 2 hours to get there when a fire station was across the street (which his parents won a $2M law suit for).

So what I'm saying is, just because you don't feel anything doesn't mean nothing is wrong, stero. You might not feel something coming before it comes. I'm not telling you to stop doing what you love, I hear you say you love lifting, but do you love it more than living? Bc that's what you need to decide before you go fucking around...

This! IMO you need to do some serious thinking and soul searching about what is really important stero.
 
I'm going to continue training with regular cardiologist follow ups every six months to make sure there are no bad changes in my heart
 
Glad to hear that you are doing better! But really bro take some time off the juice!!!!! Your heart just isn't something to fuck with! You got your whole life ahead of you and believe me your priorities change as you get older! I am not trying to tell you what to do but this should have been a reality check...it is your body trying to tell you something. Anyway this is probly being said to deaf ears you are going to do what you want. Who are we to tell you different. I just hope that one day I don't see a post in the future that you fucked up and killed yourself! Just my 2 cents I am not posting this to start shit. Just be safe my friend!
 
I'm really trying to understand this. What is the worst outcome with each decision? What are you afraid is going to happen if you stop using?
 
How about staying away from AAS or anything that has to do with heart problems??? Just a thought?

I don't know woot, I really wish I could answer why I even still think about continuing doing to do what I do. Maybe bigorexia, pushes me to do what I do. I mean look at anorexia they are killing themselves too for no logical reason. It's a mental thing maybe? Maybe I'm just fucked in the head?
 
I don't know woot, I really wish I could answer why I even still think about continuing doing to do what I do. Maybe bigorexia, pushes me to do what I do. I mean look at anorexia they are killing themselves too for no logical reason. It's a mental thing maybe? Maybe I'm just fucked in the head?

Man, stick to the gym and diet and thats it for awhile...watch what you eat and monitor whats going on...give it some time...when you are able to get back into things, then make some future decisions...
 
I don't know woot, I really wish I could answer why I even still think about continuing doing to do what I do. Maybe bigorexia, pushes me to do what I do. I mean look at anorexia they are killing themselves too for no logical reason. It's a mental thing maybe? Maybe I'm just fucked in the head?
Well how about instead of juicing you first try looking for someone to talk to about how you feel and how you process your self image?
 
Glad to hear that you are doing better! But really bro take some time off the juice!!!!! Your heart just isn't something to fuck with! You got your whole life ahead of you and believe me your priorities change as you get older! I am not trying to tell you what to do but this should have been a reality check...it is your body trying to tell you something. Anyway this is probly being said to deaf ears you are going to do what you want. Who are we to tell you different. I just hope that one day I don't see a post in the future that you fucked up and killed yourself! Just my 2 cents I am not posting this to start shit. Just be safe my friend!

fuck this looks NASA
fuck this
 

that's why the yellow concrete pillers guard the doorway
so dimwit doesn't drive the forklift and fuck up the building
we buried some 17 year old punk who managed to crush himself with the forklift he was driving
his family was a pain in the ass
like forever because he was buried in our cemetery and they wanted to a shrine
nascar flags and other bullshit
kind of redneck bullshit
usually that crap fades and we can clean the cemetery so it's not "trashy"
but no momma kept coming in with complaints and placing more nascar crap out by her dead son
well maybe "nascar johnny" wouldn't be dead if he didn't hotdog it on the forklift
just sayin'
 
that's why the yellow concrete pillers guard the doorway
so dimwit doesn't drive the forklift and fuck up the building
we buried some 17 year old punk who managed to crush himself with the forklift he was driving
his family was a pain in the ass
like forever because he was buried in our cemetery and they wanted to a shrine
nascar flags and other bullshit
kind of redneck bullshit
usually that crap fades and we can clean the cemetery so it's not "trashy"
but no momma kept coming in with complaints and placing more nascar crap out by her dead son
well maybe "nascar johnny" wouldn't be dead if he didn't hotdog it on the forklift
just sayin'
How did he crush himself with the forklift he was driving? Did some fool cut off the roll cage?
 
some people shouldn't be accorded any sympathy
before we are even done filling in the grave
"where are the goddamn death certificates"
see you need those to collect the money
fuck you
wait in line
 
How did he crush himself with the forklift he was driving? Did some fool cut off the roll cage?

fuck if I know
one kid at school at Auburn managed to flip a lawnmower onto himself while I presume hung over
what a mess
 
How did he crush himself with the forklift he was driving? Did some fool cut off the roll cage?

we've got about 10 forklifts and none of them have roll cages. I've actually never seen a forklift with a roll cage. must be a CA thing.
 
I was hung over too when I had to fetch him
sunday morning I was pissed and likely still legally intoxicated
anyhow his nose and other facial features were all "gunked up" with fresh lawn clippings
like you know how they coagulate on the sides
fuck this I've got enough
his eyeballs disintegrated
not much brains on that hero either
 
we've got about 10 forklifts and none of them have roll cages. I've actually never seen a forklift with a roll cage. must be a CA thing.

Guess so. I've never seen on without at least roll bars, but most have full cages. CA is big on OSHA. They are like the mob, all coming around looking for things to hand out fines for. Our insurance is high too. Inspectors come through all the time looking for reasons to raise the rates.
 
see stero you're life aint so bad
forklift guy, lawnmower guy
starving children on tv
you could be all those people
throw it all away for mussels fuk u
 
Guess so. I've never seen on without at least roll bars, but most have full cages. CA is big on OSHA. They are like the mob, all coming around looking for things to hand out fines for. Our insurance is high too. Inspectors come through all the time looking for reasons to raise the rates.

i've never not seen one w/o a cage either...
 
Guess so. I've never seen on without at least roll bars, but most have full cages. CA is big on OSHA. They are like the mob, all coming around looking for things to hand out fines for. Our insurance is high too. Inspectors come through all the time looking for reasons to raise the rates.

and business evacuates
dumb leaders
 
I'm going to just run test by itself for a while 500mg a week

lol @ calling this "small"

why run anything? Start off natty and keep improving your shitty diet and training instead of compensating for them with drugs.
 
I've been training and dieting since the age of 14. Trust me I know the importance lol

how much do you weigh again? and what did your big lift numbers look like before all of this?

stop being a dumb kid and listen to the bros that've been around a lot longer than you, like ceo and woot
 
how much do you weigh again? and what did your big lift numbers look like before all of this?

stop being a dumb kid and listen to the bros that've been around a lot longer than you, like ceo and woot

5'5 weighed in at 184lbs day I entered the hospital. I'll go with the 3 main lifts, squat, deadlift, and bench. Squats I was using 295lbs deep box squats 10reps. Stiff legged deads I was using 315lbs 10reps. Bench I was at 245lbs for 6 reps. I don't know what my max's are, I've never tried because I didn't want to risk injury.
 
5'5 weighed in at 184lbs day I entered the hospital. I'll go with the 3 main lifts, squat, deadlift, and bench. Squats I was using 295lbs deep box squats 10reps. Stiff legged deads I was using 315lbs 10reps. Bench I was at 245lbs for 6 reps. I don't know what my max's are, I've never tried because I didn't want to risk injury.

Not bad man. Better than I remembered. These could be better for sure, without AAS, though.
 
5'5 weighed in at 184lbs day I entered the hospital. I'll go with the 3 main lifts, squat, deadlift, and bench. Squats I was using 295lbs deep box squats 10reps. Stiff legged deads I was using 315lbs 10reps. Bench I was at 245lbs for 6 reps. I don't know what my max's are, I've never tried because I didn't want to risk injury.

How do you get so big lifting such light weight?
 
Stero... Just a thought, but if this group of "AAS friendly" people is worried about you, maybe it makes sense to take a hard look at why....

I don't think (most of) these guys are busting your balls. I know some of them care a lot and no one wants to see you have a bad outcome.

If you make yourself a statistic all you do is contribute to the stigma. You're not dumb. Don't be remembered that way.
 
Stero... Just a thought, but if this group of "AAS friendly" people is worried about you, maybe it makes sense to take a hard look at why....

I don't think (most of) these guys are busting your balls. I know some of them care a lot and no one wants to see you have a bad outcome.

If you make yourself a statistic all you do is contribute to the stigma. You're not dumb. Don't be remembered that way.

Indeed. Stero's a good bro, and nobody wants anything bad to happen to him - however I did call dibs on his log cabin first if he chooses to ignore our advice and something bad does happen to him.
 
Stero... Just a thought, but if this group of "AAS friendly" people is worried about you, maybe it makes sense to take a hard look at why....

I don't think (most of) these guys are busting your balls. I know some of them care a lot and no one wants to see you have a bad outcome.

If you make yourself a statistic all you do is contribute to the stigma. You're not dumb. Don't be remembered that way.

I know everyone is just looking out for me, I have plenty of time to decide what I want to do with my life yet. No point in anyone getting worked up or worried yet. I'm just going to be continuing a hrt dosing until I'm able to get an endocrinologist, and gather up a pct
 
Stop being a dumb faggot. Time for a reality check cocksucker. You're NEVER going to be a pro body builder like you want to be. Sorry, it just ain't gonna happen for a number of reasons. Genetics is a big one, having a broken ass heart is another. You say you've been dieting since you were 14, lifting, and using copious amounts of gear and this is what you got to show for it?

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Now you have a pretty decent build, but for what you claim it's nothing anyone couldn't achieve by a proper diet and routine all natty. Everyone here jokes around and busts each others balls but nobody wants you to continue killing yourself over something that just isn't gonna happen for you.
 
Stop being a dumb faggot. Time for a reality check cocksucker. You're NEVER going to be a pro body builder like you want to be. Sorry, it just ain't gonna happen for a number of reasons. Genetics is a big one, having a broken ass heart is another. You say you've been dieting since you were 14, lifting, and using copious amounts of gear and this is what you got to show for it?

11h89hv.jpg



Now you have a pretty decent build, but for what you claim it's nothing anyone couldn't achieve by a proper diet and routine all natty. Everyone here jokes around and busts each others balls but nobody wants you to continue killing yourself over something that just isn't gonna happen for you.

he's got nice wood laminate
 
bros why the hate?
let the man do what he wants, i understand genuine concern but it doesn't sound like that to me.
if he want's to joose, fug it he's life not yours.
that being said, i lol anyone says aas is not addictive, look at what bros go thru and continue saucing.
shit is highly addictive, proly more so in a lot of ways than other stuff, the pyschological addiction is huggge
 
Stop being a dumb faggot. Time for a reality check cocksucker. You're NEVER going to be a pro body builder like you want to be. Sorry, it just ain't gonna happen for a number of reasons. Genetics is a big one, having a broken ass heart is another. You say you've been dieting since you were 14, lifting, and using copious amounts of gear and this is what you got to show for it?

http://i44.tinypic.com/11h89hv.jpg


Now you have a pretty decent build, but for what you claim it's nothing anyone couldn't achieve by a proper diet and routine all natty. Everyone here jokes around and busts each others balls but nobody wants you to continue killing yourself over something that just isn't gonna happen for you.
I kinda thought the same thing but seeing how he struggles with body image issues I couldnt find a way to delicately say it, thanks a lot captain sensitive :mad:
 
bros why the hate?
let the man do what he wants, i understand genuine concern but it doesn't sound like that to me.
if he want's to joose, fug it he's life not yours.
that being said, i lol anyone says aas is not addictive, look at what bros go thru and continue saucing.
shit is highly addictive, proly more so in a lot of ways than other stuff, the pyschological addiction is huggge

because he's just a kid....21ish? You're right, nobody here can stop him from doing anything, but we don't have to sit back and watch him talk about doing absolute ridiculous shit.

AAS may be addictive to those people who have addictive personalities, but there is no way it's addictive like any hardcore drug or even booze and cigs.
 
because he's just a kid....21ish? You're right, nobody here can stop him from doing anything, but we don't have to sit back and watch him talk about doing absolute ridiculous shit.

AAS may be addictive to those people who have addictive personalities, but there is no way it's addictive like any hardcore drug or even booze and cigs.

21? damn.
but why waste energy on the dude, he's obviously not listening, so to me it's not worth it, let him die of heart failure at 22.
imo, it's more addictive because it creates a new image of who you are...a strong, powerful dude and people comment and give accolades to...having somebody tell you how good you look is a powerful thing, then having that some person say "what happened" strikes the very core of who you think you are.
that is a bigger high to some and a more addictive lure, than a cola buzz or booze.
 
21? damn.
but why waste energy on the dude, he's obviously not listening, so to me it's not worth it, let him die of heart failure at 22.
imo, it's more addictive because it creates a new image of who you are...a strong, powerful dude and people comment and give accolades to...having somebody tell you how good you look is a powerful thing, then having that some person say "what happened" strikes the very core of who you think you are.
that is a bigger high to some and a more addictive lure, than a cola buzz or booze.

Who's waisting energy? I'm surely not...


I'll agree it's probably addictive if you already have an addictive personality.
 
lol...I'm fuckin' retarded today.


I caught myself spelling way "weigh" in another thread.


I blame this head cold I have
 
Stop being a dumb faggot. Time for a reality check cocksucker. You're NEVER going to be a pro body builder like you want to be. Sorry, it just ain't gonna happen for a number of reasons. Genetics is a big one, having a broken ass heart is another. You say you've been dieting since you were 14, lifting, and using copious amounts of gear and this is what you got to show for it?

11h89hv.jpg

Alright plank so you throw up a pic after I did my very first cycle of sust ever.

Here's a pic from November like 3 weeks into my test,tren,primo cycle View attachment 53453
 
imo, it's more addictive because it creates a new image of who you are...a strong, powerful dude and people comment and give accolades to...having somebody tell you how good you look is a powerful thing, then having that some person say "what happened" strikes the very core of who you think you are.
that is a bigger high to some and a more addictive lure, than a cola buzz or booze.

This^^^^
 
Who's waisting energy? I'm surely not...


I'll agree it's probably addictive if you already have an addictive personality.

well, calling him a faggot seemed a bit much.
and clearly the bro has some substance issues, only somebody with such issues would continue to use them knowing that his heart could be dramatically effected.
 
Stero is a good bro! Your legs don't look that bad either. I know you are worried about losing size and to be honest I would be too. Bodybuilding has alot to do with vanity and I truly understand. Although the people who care about me would much rather me look smaller and live than to be a swole corpse bro. I think running any AAS right now is asking for it. How much size will you really lose if you do a proper PCT and diet and train hard like you were on? 5-10 lbs? Hardly worth dying over. Mitch is being a dick which is why I love him. :rainbow: (No Hetero) but the son of a bitch has a point.
 
Stero is a good bro! Your legs don't look that bad either. I know you are worried about losing size and to be honest I would be too. Bodybuilding has alot to do with vanity and I truly understand. Although the people who care about me would much rather me look smaller and live than to be a swole corpse bro. I think running any AAS right now is asking for it. How much size will you really lose if you do a proper PCT and diet and train hard like you were on? 5-10 lbs? Hardly worth dying over. Mitch is being a dick which is why I love him. :rainbow: (No Hetero) but the son of a bitch has a point.

some days i wish i could be happy without lifting weights and all the bs that comes with it (joose, tanning lol, supplementing, not going places cause you don't want to miss workouts, etc)
i know plenty of healthy folks who don't do any of this shit and are just as happy and athletic...sadly i don't think i can ever be one of them
 
Alright plank so you throw up a pic after I did my very first cycle of sust ever.

Here's a pic from November like 3 weeks into my test,tren,primo cycle View attachment 53453

That pic I posted you posted 11/25...


Regardless, for you to have nearly been dieting and training for close to 10 years your results aren't all that impressive especially with having have used the amount of gear you have.

Look bro...continue to do whatever in teh fuck you wanna do. Nobody here is going to change your mind. We're all just showing concern for you and thinking that even if your life isn't all that important to you it pry is to your family. At the end of the day what you do isn't going to effect me one way or another and I won't lose a wink of sleep over it. I think most everyone that has shown concern for you is quite a bit older and obviously a hell of a lot more mature. You're obviously one of those people that is going to have to learn the hard way.
 
some days i wish i could be happy without lifting weights and all the bs that comes with it (joose, tanning lol, supplementing, not going places cause you don't want to miss workouts, etc)
i know plenty of healthy folks who don't do any of this shit and are just as happy and athletic...sadly i don't think i can ever be one of them

Agreed! We sacrifice alot in order to be able to do this. I could just as easily see myself in this situation and not wanting to stop. I hope people would e-slap my ass back to reality like Mitch is trying to do until I saw that it really just isn't worth it. I feel you bro! All the shit we miss does kinda suck. I can't even fuking remember what McDonalds tastes like. Lmao:worried:
 
well, calling him a faggot seemed a bit much.
and clearly the bro has some substance issues, only somebody with such issues would continue to use them knowing that his heart could be dramatically effected.

AAS are extremely addictive, psychologically and physiologically. There is the simple withdrawal depression caused by reduced circulating T, but "manorexia/bigorexia" is a very real and serious problem.

Eating disorders, aforementioned included, have the highest mortality rate of any mental illness (approximately 20%... that's higher than schizophrenia... in fact, it's higher than many cancers).

So yeah, that's why I myself am concerned. And yes, we are on an online forum and people have the right to make their own decisions but I'm certainly not going to nod and affirm just to make someone feel better or "fit in".

Bodybuilding with AAS is a lot like surfing big waves. Everyone knows it's dangerous. It's not for everyone and some people choose to take risks because they choose to live their lives that way. Fine. I get it. Trust me. But if I were a surfer I wouldn't let my buddy go out with a broken board and a bleeding leg wound. This is the difference between calculated risk and recklessness.

Choosing to continue to dose your own gear right now is not HRT, bro... It seems to fall more on the side of reckless. I agree. You sound addicted. What are you gonna do about it?
 
well, calling him a faggot seemed a bit much.
and clearly the bro has some substance issues, only somebody with such issues would continue to use them knowing that his heart could be dramatically effected.

lol..did you forget where you were?
 
AAS are extremely addictive, psychologically and physiologically. There is the simple withdrawal depression caused by reduced circulating T, but "manorexia/bigorexia" is a very real and serious problem.

I'm not disagreeing w/the fact they can by physchologically addictive, but there has to be an underlying issue already in place, right?
 
well, calling him a faggot seemed a bit much.
and clearly the bro has some substance issues, only somebody with such issues would continue to use them knowing that his heart could be dramatically effected.

also...yeah, if he's got an addiction he needs to seek help not try and self medicate thinking he's helping the situation. He's being a fuckin idiot, and i'm not one to sugar coat shit.

you still :heart: me tho..right bro :worried:
 
I'm not disagreeing w/the fact they can by physchologically addictive, but there has to be an underlying issue already in place, right?

I don't think so. No.

Testosterone has been used historically as an antidepressant. It's psychological effects are enormous. Just because a lot of it hasn't been thoroughly researched doesn't mean it's not real.
 
AAS are extremely addictive, psychologically and physiologically. There is the simple withdrawal depression caused by reduced circulating T, but "manorexia/bigorexia" is a very real and serious problem.

Eating disorders, aforementioned included, have the highest mortality rate of any mental illness (approximately 20%... that's higher than schizophrenia... in fact, it's higher than many cancers).

So yeah, that's why I myself am concerned. And yes, we are on an online forum and people have the right to make their own decisions but I'm certainly not going to nod and affirm just to make someone feel better or "fit in".

Bodybuilding with AAS is a lot like surfing big waves. Everyone knows it's dangerous. It's not for everyone and some people choose to take risks because they choose to live their lives that way. Fine. I get it. Trust me. But if I were a surfer I wouldn't let my buddy go out with a broken board and a bleeding leg wound. This is the difference between calculated risk and recklessness.

Choosing to continue to dose your own gear right now is not HRT, bro... It seems to fall more on the side of reckless. I agree. You sound addicted. What are you gonna do about it?

Please show me some references showing AAS use is physiologically addictive.

Just when I thought you couldn't get any dumber...lol
 
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