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WinstonChurchill

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I see there are a lot of threads around about doing first cycles and there are various suggestions on what to do and how much.

I have weighed what I perceive to be the pro's vs. cons and have pretty much decided to run Test Enth for 12 weeks

One thing I notice is there seems to be a distinctive divide between people advising 250mg weekly or 500mg weekly!

My question is, what would be the benefits of doing lower dosage vs. higher dosage for a first cycle?
 
stat's! :)
I did 500 for my first, I figured it was better than 250 back then, lol (3.5 years ago). Some say 250mgs as there is proof you will grow with using 250mgs ew. Start of low dose and see where you end up. with proper diet and training you will grow.
 
if you do 250 mgs e5d it will be about 350 mgs ew. That should work well for a first.
15% is a guess huh? let me ask if you can see your top 4 abs at least then you are under 16%
you should get it tested. just for reference.
 
I can see my top 2 abs yes
The guess was based on previous measures ive had in the past when I was at 11%, 14% & 16%.

Is there a certain % you need to be under before staring a cycle? (without it being obese like 50% lol)
 
People tend to be lower in bf before starting a cycle so they can see the benefits and gains better while at a lower bf. The preference is up to the individual.
 
WinstonChurchill said:
I see there are a lot of threads around about doing first cycles and there are various suggestions on what to do and how much.

I have weighed what I perceive to be the pro's vs. cons and have pretty much decided to run Test Enth for 12 weeks

One thing I notice is there seems to be a distinctive divide between people advising 250mg weekly or 500mg weekly!

My question is, what would be the benefits of doing lower dosage vs. higher dosage for a first cycle?
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when you take 250mg ew you will see gains. but after you have shut down you natural production your free test levels are not much higher than normal so in my opinion 400mg to 500mg would work much better.
 
Personally, i would spend 4 weeks prior to cycle running a intense cutting cycle, either using clen/ephidrene etc or trying an OTC stack like Omega's with Dermatherm etc. This will help you drop bf% so you can greater guage the effectiveness of your cycle on increasing LBM.

I would go 500 too, with a-dex on hand incase of gyno symptoms. PCT, well, there are a few options, HCG and sustain alpha is probably the way to go for you.
 
I like the 250mgs/E5D. I don't dislike 250mgs/twice a week either but plenty of guys do just fine on a dose of 350mgs/week if your diet and training are also in on par and your much better off in terms of recovery with as low a dose as possible.
 
jwo02 said:
Might as well go big with 500.
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Not really logical. He can get big on 250, so why get more suppressed.

You may acually want to try something less suppressive for a trail run. Hell, you can grow on 25 mgs of dbol for 4 weeks with the right training and a few supps. I think first cycles have become overkill. They should be a trail run. You've got plenty of time to go up in dosage and duration.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Not really logical. He can get big on 250, so why get more suppressed.

You may acually want to try something less suppressive for a trail run. Hell, you can grow on 25 mgs of dbol for 4 weeks with the right training and a few supps. I think first cycles have become overkill. They should be a trail run. You've got plenty of time to go up in dosage and duration.
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Agree completely and why low dose test is perfect IMO. Gives you a great base going forward as to how your going to react on future cycles when you should be starting to experiment a little with differing stacks and doses. More often than not your going to have some test in most if not all cycles you will do.
 
WinstonChurchill said:
I can see my top 2 abs yes
The guess was based on previous measures ive had in the past when I was at 11%, 14% & 16%.

Is there a certain % you need to be under before staring a cycle? (without it being obese like 50% lol)
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Don't laugh, there are people on here who are @ 25% BF asking "How does this cycle look?"
 
SVPVRMAN said:
Personally, i would spend 4 weeks prior to cycle running a intense cutting cycle, either using clen/ephidrene etc or trying an OTC stack like Omega's with Dermatherm etc. This will help you drop bf% so you can greater guage the effectiveness of your cycle on increasing LBM.

I would go 500 too, with a-dex on hand incase of gyno symptoms. PCT, well, there are a few options, HCG and sustain alpha is probably the way to go for you.
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I like the idea of cutting down 1st, but Clen for this guy?
 
fuck clen

dude you need 6 percent bodyfat before you try and improve your body composition!! I know it's Illegal but shit so is what your pinning. Just take a good week. Coke it up straight to the nose from the nose to the dome man!!! You'll love it!!! Pretend it's vegas time! When your done from 6 days of tweaking and your down 7 or 8 percent bodyfat then you might enjoy a cycle. Until them man 16 or 17% bodyfat?


My mom said I was too sarcastic some times....Like women your better off starting small and figuring out if you like the big ones later.
 
rediculus said:
fuck clen

dude you need 6 percent bodyfat before you try and improve your body composition!! I know it's Illegal but shit so is what your pinning. Just take a good week. Coke it up straight to the nose from the nose to the dome man!!! You'll love it!!! Pretend it's vegas time! When your done from 6 days of tweaking and your down 7 or 8 percent bodyfat then you might enjoy a cycle. Until them man 16 or 17% bodyfat?


My mom said I was too sarcastic some times....Like women your better off starting small and figuring out if you like the big ones later.
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Rediculius that is some funny shit!!!! cutting with nose candy. know people do it but it's not the best way.... lmao
 
:) I have a sarcastic sense of humor and most people don't realize the primary difference in damage different stims do are much less than they think. It's the addictive property of coke and oh wait....I guess all stims are addictive.

Snort your way to home base man. At least then it's a party!!!

short of snorting a wheel barrow listen to Nelson and Access :)
 
I'd go with 250mgs, I just finished a 10 weeker on cyp. I gained around 15 lbs, I'm confident that I will keep most of my gains. Start low and see how your body reacts.
 
500 for 8 weeks, gains will stall by then and you still will have 2 weeks of Growth after last shot befor PCT
 
250mg/weekly...because youll grow off of it...have your diet and training in check

because then next cycle you up it too 500mg/weekly and youl obviously grow (havng diet and training in check)
because youve doubled it..and ahve arlaedy done 250..why waste 250mg cycle and do a 500mg cycle first?
when you can grow off 250mgs/
 
Thanks to those of you with constructive advice.

What BigpimpinIO says seems to make most sense. Think I'll maybe do 250mg for my first trial run and see where to go from there!

As far as the bodyfat and the comments of some, I sometimes get the impression people are either seriously misled or just stupid when they talk about what levels of bodyfat they are at ... or think they are at.
I'm sure theres plently of people who think theyre at 6%,8% etc but go get it checked on a DEXA scan which is the most accurate way of measuring it and I think you'll be suprised what you really are.

Your internal organs NEED that fat, so dont be misled into thinking you're walking round at 6% just because you can see your abs LOL
When youre really low, you are well past taking it away from visible places and are taking it away from vital internal organs etc.
 
OOh make no mistake I was being sarcastic...VERY Sarcastic.....not working towards your goals until your pretty enough is absurd imho and I am usually sarcastic to the. "your too big and bulky to do steroids" crowd. Sounds like you have a solid plan bro.
 
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500 ew is a good first cycle...dont short change your first cycle on 250mg ew....
1-12 test e 500 ew
1-6 dbol 30 ed
im sure you would be happy with that
make sure get pct lined up and hcg before you start
 
Someone dropped a karma bomb on me because they thought I was actually telling him to snort cocaine..Didn't understand I was joking.

PS What's needto think?
 
HAYEZ said:
500 ew is a good first cycle...dont short change your first cycle on 250mg ew....
1-12 test e 500 ew
1-6 dbol 30 ed
im sure you would be happy with that
make sure get pct lined up and hcg before you start
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bro hes not short changing it ..we know even at a low dose you will grow..it being his first cycle..he will grow no matter what..why waste 500mg..when he can get awesome gains on 250mg...and when he hits 500mg...even better gains..i think its a waste.. just my opinon though
 
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