Evidence that the government is responsible for 9/11 twin towers (movie)

[the nature boy]

Let's see one post says the melting point of steel is 2500 d F and another says 2800 d F.

No matter, check into the temp of burning jet fuel

_________

"The buildings were designed for a three-hour fire rating, which means the buildings could resist a fire up to three hours without serious structural damage. However, the ratings are associated with tests based on "ordinary" fires, not the degree involved in the Sept. 11 attack.

He added that a flame burning jet fuel and air generates an approximate temperature of 3,500 degrees Fahrenheit — "more intense than any fire code scenario.""
________

http://www.dailyillini.com/sep01/sep20/news/stories/news_story02.shtml

interesting. good post.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Well...we know that 75th and Code work in government intelligence, I have long suspected that Pigeon-Rat does to.


Code is just doing his job folks, cut him some slack. He has a difficult task on this one but his usual insults, lies, and deceptions will fool many.

 

[alien amp pharm]

Granted we may never truly know the exact cause of how the buildings fell. Even the experts have some disagreements and apparently we will never know the whole truth behind the attacks, but the situation stands - we lost innocent lives and somebody must pay. Hopefully, in some way, justice will be served to those responsible.

My work here is finished. Now back to picking on Code...

 

[buddy28]

Anyway,

My drawn out point was this. Cross reference the specs of the 707 and 767-200:


767-200ER

Maximum Fuel Capacity 23,980 gal (90,770 l)
Maximum Takeoff Weight 395,000 lb (179,170 kg)

Typical Cruise Speed
at 35,000 feet Mach 0.80
530 mph (850 kph)

Basic Dimensions
Wing Span = 156 ft 1 in (47.6 m)
Overall Length = 159 ft 2 in (48.5 m)
Tail Height = 52 ft (15.8 m)
Interior Cabin Width = 15 ft 6 in (4.7 m)

Advanced 707-320B
Wingspan 145 feet 9 inches (44.42 m)
Length 152 feet 11 inches (46.6 m)
Wing Area 3,010 square feet (280 m2)
Gross Weight 336,000 pounds (152,400 kg)
Cruising Speed 607 mph (977 km/h)


The sizes are similar. The 767-200 (fully fueled) gross take off weight is about 18% more than that of the 707.

The point. The hijacked 767's were only on intradomestic routes meaning airlines don’t fully fuel airliners on short hops to minimize fuel consumption. Its estimated the 767's had around 10,000 gallons of jet fuel when they struck the WTC.

Because jet fuel weighs 6.4 lbs per gallon and the 767's empty weight is 180,00 lbs, the 767's that struck the WTC had a gross weight at the time of impact around 244,000 lbs.

That 767 weight is 27% less than the fully fueled gross weight of a 707 carrying over twice! the amount of combustible liquid.

So if the WTC engineers designed the towers to withstand an impact of a fully fueled 707, why did they collapse?

Obviously it has everything to do with the parameters they used when establishing the conditions surrounding a 707 impact, speed, weight, fuel capacity, ect.

But one would imagine, or would at least logically assume they computed tower structure design to withstand the impact from a near fully fueled 707. But only the designers know. Apparently, the blue prints to WTC have been sealed off to the public.

Would make an interesting investigation anyway.

 

[buddy28]

Code is just doing his job folks, cut him some slack. He has a difficult task on this one but his usual insults, lies, and deceptions will fool many.

I for one enjoy his jaded perception of the world!

 

[Testosterone boy]

The support columns were in the middle of the buildings. The outter was just a reinforcing shell. Columns subject to heat must be fire coated or they fail.

With the extreme high temperatures the columns substained due to the jet fuel they would've given away eventually no matter how protected (not to mention the possibility of the plane bending the columns on impact). Also due to the columns being in the interior of the building the collaspe would result in a vertical motion (straight down).

Note that it wasn't one floor falling on another, it was the floors all above the crash that came down. Therefore the floors below the crash had no chance of supporting the collapsing upper portions.

I work in structural engineering so I know a little bit.

The WTC towers were not a deck of cards yet they collapsed like one. The columns would have at least slowed the descent of the upper upper floors yet the entire collapse took 10 seconds. An absolute free fall would take 9 seconds.

We are talking about one of the strongest structures on the planet, one designed for gale force winds, significant earthquakes, and...........being rammed by a similar sized commercial air liner.

Lightning can strike twice in a similar place every blue moon but it struck 3 fucking times that day. All 3 buildings had an identical and absolutely perfect collapse.


Let us not forget that SilverSTEIN went on tape saying they made a decision to "pull" Building 7 that afternoon. Even if a demolition squad could have gone into a large burning building and planted the charge within hours (extremely doubtful), I doubt the organization to do this is possible....without pre existing plans.


Also.....the Patriot Act had been constructed prior to 9/11. They did not have enough time between 9/11 and its implementation to construct such a measure.

We are talking about governmental efficiency here folks, one of their agencies returned my call this morning. It took them TWO weeks to return a telephone call.

 

[Code]

Well...we know that 75th and Code work in government intelligence, I have long suspected that Pigeon-Rat does to.


Code is just doing his job folks, cut him some slack. He has a difficult task on this one but his usual insults, lies, and deceptions will fool many.

My agenda is complete on this thread.

 

[NJjuice22]

Granted we may never truly know the exact cause of how the buildings fell. Even the experts have some disagreements and apparently we will never know the whole truth behind the attacks, but the situation stands - we lost innocent lives and somebody must pay. Hopefully, in some way, justice will be served to those responsible.

My work here is finished. Now back to picking on Code...

exactly we wont ever know...oh well..im done too...that was stressful.

 

[buddy28]

The structural engineer who designed the towers said as recently as last week that their steel columns could remain standing if they were hit by a 707.

Les Robertson, the Trade Center’s structural engineer[/url]

We could find out alot more if someone could pick the brain of Les Robertson.

Seriously, what would be so hard about tracking down this guy and asking him for a little chat. Think he would go on the record?

 

[Testosterone boy]

I am reluctant to say our "government" is responsible for 9/11.

I am also reluctant to say who is responsible but there are some interesting "coincidences:"

George BUsh Sr was having breakfast with the head of the Bin Laden family/organization when the attack took place.

All of the Bin Ladens living in America were allowed to depart without any questioning about their knowledge of OBL.

George Bush Jr calmly went on with his photo shoot with the school children after being notified that Americas largest attack in the past 60 years had just taken place.

Silverstein took over the WTC complex lease in August and ordered a "pull" (controlled demolition) of Building 7 on the afternoon of Sept 11.

All three collapses were identical and perfect yet have never happened before without charges being placed by experts.

McCain got threatened with a recall before towing the line with the Bushbarians. Since when did governors and senators get subjected to recalls?

The evidence got shipped to China?
Hell...I dont need to hear anything more than that folks.


The GNWO is rapidly descending upon us and the billionaires behind it are heavily invested in Asia.