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*The_West* said:
i would be more inclined to take advice from ross, i have seen pictures of him and he has an amazing physique. literally, he looks awesome. huge, well proportioned muscles, low bf, crazy vascularity. you dont get like that without knowing what you are doing.
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*The_West* said:
i would be more inclined to take advice from ross, i have seen pictures of him and he has an amazing physique. literally, he looks awesome. huge, well proportioned muscles, low bf, crazy vascularity. you dont get like that without knowing what you are doing.

I'e heard good things come from both Ross and Nelson. I've also heard both of them say some real shit too. I respect both these bros, and they both know a lot about bodybuilding.

I take what I hear from everyone, take what makes sense, even try stuff out, and slowly form my own philosophy fo rmyself and my own goals. Most things I hear from people that have been in the "biz" for a while know what they are talking about. I take what they say to heart, give it a run, and if it gives results, I keep it. If it doesn't really do much for me, i go another route.




On the subject, i get what nelson is sayin about getting the mass out of your cycles. You do take aas to get big, that's the point , right?

But, if you need to really cut up, and keep your body weight/lean mass, a "cutter" is sutiable for you.
 
*The_West* said:
i would be more inclined to take advice from ross, i have seen pictures of him and he has an amazing physique. literally, he looks awesome. huge, well proportioned muscles, low bf, crazy vascularity. you dont get like that without knowing what you are doing.

:rolleyes:
 
dabuffguy said:
I'e heard good things come from both Ross and Nelson. I've also heard both of them say some real shit too. I respect both these bros, and they both know a lot about bodybuilding.

I take what I hear from everyone, take what makes sense, even try stuff out, and slowly form my own philosophy fo rmyself and my own goals. Most things I hear from people that have been in the "biz" for a while know what they are talking about. I take what they say to heart, give it a run, and if it gives results, I keep it. If it doesn't really do much for me, i go another route.




On the subject, i get what nelson is sayin about getting the mass out of your cycles. You do take aas to get big, that's the point , right?

But, if you need to really cut up, and keep your body weight/lean mass, a "cutter" is sutiable for you.

My sentiments as well. Well said.
 
Attempting to REDUCE BODYFAT and PRESERVE MUSCLE MASS while not on CYCLE is begging for muscle-loss, regardless of your personal level of development...

Granted, the amount of Anabolic Steroids used for a cutting cycle is typically LESS than you would use on a standard BULKING cycle.
 
dabuffguy said:
I'e heard good things come from both Ross and Nelson. I've also heard both of them say some real shit too. I respect both these bros, and they both know a lot about bodybuilding.

I take what I hear from everyone, take what makes sense, even try stuff out, and slowly form my own philosophy fo rmyself and my own goals. Most things I hear from people that have been in the "biz" for a while know what they are talking about. I take what they say to heart, give it a run, and if it gives results, I keep it. If it doesn't really do much for me, i go another route.

On the subject, i get what nelson is sayin about getting the mass out of your cycles. You do take aas to get big, that's the point , right?

But, if you need to really cut up, and keep your body weight/lean mass, a "cutter" is sutiable for you.

Good post bro. Likely one of the best in the thread.

This is the way you do it.

I've been here a long time and have seen a lot of 'knowledgeable' and 'good' bros exposed as total frauds and/or scammers. I've also seen who's stuck around and withstood the test of time and who REALLY knows their shit.

With this being said, I would suggest that people take bits and peices from everyone, and do exactly as you said.

Good post.

Chris
 
Ross said:
*Steroids are used to either build muscle mass and strength, or to reduce bodyfat while preserving muscle and increasing definition.

Nelson, your advice is horrible. You are actually telling bodybuilders to reduce their calories and increase cardio WITHOUT using any ANABOLIC STEROIDS, are you insane?

I don't care if you are a COMPLETE NOVICE with only 1 or 2 cycles under your belt, you should NEVER reduce your calories and increase cardio in an all-natural state, you are begging to lose everything you accomplished while ON CYCLE.

Then please explain how the fuck you lose weight in a calorie surplus. I'm all ears.
 
dabuffguy said:
I'e heard good things come from both Ross and Nelson. I've also heard both of them say some real shit too. I respect both these bros, and they both know a lot about bodybuilding.

I take what I hear from everyone, take what makes sense, even try stuff out, and slowly form my own philosophy fo rmyself and my own goals. Most things I hear from people that have been in the "biz" for a while know what they are talking about. I take what they say to heart, give it a run, and if it gives results, I keep it. If it doesn't really do much for me, i go another route.




On the subject, i get what nelson is sayin about getting the mass out of your cycles. You do take aas to get big, that's the point , right?

But, if you need to really cut up, and keep your body weight/lean mass, a "cutter" is sutiable for you.

To add to my post, and it's off subject some:


I hate it when people swing from eachothers dicks. We are all bros here, yeah, but it's not like the one guy or the other guy is the lord of bodybuilding. Some things work for people and other things don't. Everyone has their ideas and philosophies, some of which make a lot of sense, and some sound and feel completely wrong. There's lots of product pushing and othe shit that goes around here too. I have tried some of these products and they are damn awesome, but some of the product hype here is overboard. The ONLY product that I can truly say works like everyone says it does is Amp02 and lipoflame. and, I don't really like lipoflame because it gives me some serious appetite supression, but it does what it says it does. Also, I notice OMEGA doesn't jump on every opportunity to push his product on someone just to sell some shit. He let's the members that have used it testify to it, because it is some real good stuff.
 
Big_BK said:
Then please explain how the fuck you lose weight in a calorie surplus. I'm all ears.

You don't. Steroids are either used in a CALORIE SURPLUS to gain muscle mass, or they are used in a CALORIE DEFECIT to PRESERVE muscle mass while REDUCING BODYFAT.
 
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