Endurance,and lean mass cycle

[SEAL]

Hey, i'm a new member here. I've been reading threads from here for months. I wanted your alls opinion on my 2nd cycle. My first cycle I ran sus250 at 500mg a week for 10 weeks, I gained some good mass. But now I'm about to start intensive PTing and getting close to wrestling season again. My goals for this cycle are to get stronger, a little bit of lean mass, cut, and get my endurance up.

My stats:
5'5
22
155lbs
11% BF

I just started cardio this week. My cardio routine and workout schedule will be as follow:

Mon-Fri

1. Run to the gym (2miles)
2. Cool down on the bike (15minutes)
3. Complete workout(1 muscle a day, 1 2 a day)
4. Do 3 sets of pullups,pushups,and situps
5. And a little bit of additional core EOD
6. Swim 1000yds in the gym pool
7. Run home (2 miles)

I plan on starting my cycle in about 2 weeks.

My cycle will be:

350mg test-E / wk
350mg EQ /wk

14 week cycle

I will also be taking a daily multi twice a day, some niacin, and additional vitamin C and zinc.


Please give me some feedback on what you think of my cycle and routine. I found 350mg of each wouldn't be to much but wouldn't be to less. I don't want to much test that will begin to hinder my endurance, but I don't want to little because then my gains will be minimal. So i figured 350mg of each a week would be a good dose, and since I have 2 10ml vials of each at 250/ml that works perfectly for a 14 week cycle.

 

[thelocal]

i dont understand your workout routine but heres my cycle advice

1-12 test 500mg every week
1-12 eq 500mgs every week..IMO u need atleast 500 eq for anything worth wild
ai as needed

 

[SEAL]

i dont understand your workout routine but heres my cycle advice

1-12 test 500mg every week
1-12 eq 500mgs every week..IMO u need atleast 500 eq for anything worth wild
ai as needed

My workout routine is mon-fri. I run there, cool down on the cycle, then I lift. I do one muscle a day, for example. Monday i'll do biceps. And one day out of the week I have to do a 2 a day to fit legs in. After I'm done lifting I do my calisthenics, and forgot to add after all that I swim 1000yds then run home. I hope that cleared up any confusion.

And I think 500mg of test will be a bit too much..500mg of test will start to hinder my endurance and cardio, and I don't want to put on toooo much weight because I have to wrestle a set weight class. If i bumped EQ up to 500mg a wk, I'll have enough for 10 weeks, I heard EQ should be run for atleast 12?

Thanks for your response

 

[thelocal]

well u can get away with 350 test if you want to i suppose..eq doesnt have to be ran 12 weeks..peterlumberjack ran it 10 weeks and wow had had amazing results..just some peope thinkin the longer the better but thats not always the case..make sure to get an AI..i like letro

 

[RottenWillow]

Hey, i'm a new member here. I've been reading threads from here for months. I wanted your alls opinion on my 2nd cycle. My first cycle I ran sus250 at 500mg a week for 10 weeks, I gained some good mass. But now I'm about to start intensive PTing and getting close to wrestling season again. My goals for this cycle are to get stronger, a little bit of lean mass, cut, and get my endurance up.

My stats:
5'5
22
155lbs
11% BF

I just started cardio this week. My cardio routine and workout schedule will be as follow:

Mon-Fri

-Run to the gym (2miles)
-Cool down on bike (15minutes)
-Complete workout(1 muscle a day, 1 2 a day)
-Do 3 sets of pullups,pushups,and situps
-And a little bit of additional core EOD

I plan on starting my cycle in about 2 weeks.

My cycle will be:

350mg test-E / wk
350mg EQ /wk

14 week cycle

I will also be taking a daily multi twice a day, some niacin, and additional vitamin C and zinc.


Please give me some feedback on what you think of my cycle and routine. I found 350mg of each wouldn't be to much but wouldn't be to less. I don't want to much test that will begin to hinder my endurance, but I don't want to little because then my gains will be minimal. So i figured 350mg of each a week would be a good dose, and since I have 2 10ml vials of each at 250/ml that works perfectly for a 14 week cycle.

That was a giant crapload of testosterone. Probably 10x as much T as your gonads produce, which is way more than you were able to utilize. I'd bet money you'd have made the same gains on 200mg weekly.

As for your proposal, I just finished a cycle of boldenone ("EQ") and did indeed experience an increase in endurance. RBC count, hemocrit, and hemoglobin all increased, which may have been what accounted for the endurance improvement. I loved it. Was able to work out harder and longer, which enabled me to get great gains.

If you are taking boldenone primarily for the endurance improvement, I suppose equal amounts of it and T are fine. Because boldenone seems to be at a competitive disadvantage with testosterone for androgen receptors in skeletal muscle, you might wish to take more of it than T provided you really want to maximize it's anabolic effect as well as it's endurance support. Seems like I've heard of people doing boldenone to T in 1.5 to 1 ratios.

And dude you seriously DO NOT need 700mg of a week. Based on your posted stats you have a lean body mass of 137lbs. That's an insane amount of gear for someone your size on their 2nd cycle. I'm a woman with an lean body mass of 142 pounds and I just made great gains on 125mg weekly of just boldenone.

 

[thelocal]

i believe u got it wrong he took 500mgs of test not 700 i think he meant he had sus 250 and took 500mgs of it weekly

 

[thelocal]

how much eq did u run

 

[SEAL]

yea i ran sus250 at 500mg a week. And yes ido have letro onhand
just in case So from what I read 350mg of test will
be just fine. But correct me if i'm wrong, you all think 350eq will do
me good but kicking it to about 500 and cut back to
10 weeks will do me justice? I just want to get this straight.

Also, I was one of those typical guys who read and just did nolva and clomid for PCT. And just being
on here for a day I read that PCT is garbage. and being that i went through one i agree, i knew something was wrong. I really don't think i've even fully recovered. But a correct PCT for this cycle is run HCgenerate for last 30 days of cycle,run HCG for 2 weeks righr after last pin. Then start the 4 weeks of unleashed/post cycle/psytoserm?

Thank you all very much, your help is appreciated. I just want to get the most out of this cycle, seems as if i came to the right place.

 

[thelocal]

i would bump eq up to 500mgs weekly for 10 weeks IMO youll be happier with those results

 

[SEAL]

i would bump eq up to 500mgs weekly for 10 weeks IMO youll be happier with those results

alright will do. thanks for the info

 

[ledhead]

That was a giant crapload of testosterone. Probably 10x as much T as your gonads produce, which is way more than you were able to utilize. I'd bet money you'd have made the same gains on 200mg weekly.

As for your proposal, I just finished a cycle of boldenone ("EQ") and did indeed experience an increase in endurance. RBC count, hemocrit, and hemoglobin all increased, which may have been what accounted for the endurance improvement. I loved it. Was able to work out harder and longer, which enabled me to get great gains.

If you are taking boldenone primarily for the endurance improvement, I suppose equal amounts of it and T are fine. Because boldenone seems to be at a competitive disadvantage with testosterone for androgen receptors in skeletal muscle, you might wish to take more of it than T provided you really want to maximize it's anabolic effect as well as it's endurance support. Seems like I've heard of people doing boldenone to T in 1.5 to 1 ratios.

And dude you seriously DO NOT need 700mg of a week. Based on your posted stats you have a lean body mass of 137lbs. That's an insane amount of gear for someone your size on their 2nd cycle. I'm a woman with an lean body mass of 142 pounds and I just made great gains on 125mg weekly of just boldenone.

If I was you, I would cut and paste this post bro. Excellent post...

 

[RottenWillow]

If I was you, I would cut and paste this post bro. Excellent post...

Don't think it'd do any good anyway, Led. Everyone seems to think more is always better, irrespective of evidence to the contrary.

 

[SEAL]

Don't think it'd do any good anyway, Led. Everyone seems to think more is always better, irrespective of evidence to the contrary.

That's not what I believe. i was planning on running low doses of each. but I posted here to get some opinions

 

[Judo Tom]

if you want to stay in your weight class why are you adding roids?

 

[stevesmi]

My goals for this cycle are to get stronger, a little bit of lean mass, cut, and get my endurance up.
I don't want to much test that will begin to hinder my endurance, but I don't want to little because then my gains will be minimal. .

i think your goals are unrealistic and I think you ran steroids at a very early stage. after a cycle you are still 155 pounds.. yeah you are 5 5... but dude I am an inch taller than you and I am 180+, a 25 pound difference.

wanting to gain mass AND get better at endurance? not gonna happen my friend.


I used to run 45 miles per week. I weighed 135, had lean muscle but i was small.. that is a runners body and what you need to be a good runner. my 5K pace was sub 7 minute miles and I could do 1 mile in 5:20

now I run 3-4 miles per week. i weigh 185, have mass and strength. that is a bodybuilders body. could i run a 5K right now? yes but my time will be horrible. and my 1 mile runs I do are 10 minute pace.

pick one you want to do and go for it. cannot do both.

 

[SEAL]

I said a little bit of lean mass. my goals are to up my strength and endurance. I'll have a clean diet, not to many carbs,fat, and calories. 20miles a week, 5000yds swimming. I don't understand what's so unrealistic about it. And yes I'm only 155 after a cycle. I was 128 before cycle, then after adding more protein, calories, carbs, and 500mg of test for 10 weeks i went up to 165. then after cycle iwent down towhere i am now. 155

 

[Judo Tom]

just run the test again. 500mg will work again. the more weight you want to gain the less road work / cardio / swimming you should do. do shorter more intense stuff to keep your cardio up or do it in the off season

 

[stevesmi]

I said a little bit of lean mass. my goals are to up my strength and endurance. I'll have a clean diet, not to many carbs,fat, and calories. 20miles a week, 5000yds swimming. I don't understand what's so unrealistic about it. And yes I'm only 155 after a cycle. I was 128 before cycle, then after adding more protein, calories, carbs, and 500mg of test for 10 weeks i went up to 165. then after cycle iwent down towhere i am now. 155

yeah i dunno who told you to run AAS at 128 pounds. if you would of naturally got to 165 then jumped on roids at 5 5 it would be one thing.. but at 128 is too skinny.

the bottom line is you cannot be great at endurance AND bodybuilding. they do not mix well. and AAS and endurance most certainly do not mix.. AAS will increase RBC count which will cripple your endurance.

remember your body is already producing test on its own. all you are doing when you introduce test is you shut down your own test and replace it with foreign test. also that foreign test converts to estrogen. you will notice water weight gains, which are most certainly not 'lean muscle' gains as you are wishing for

 

[SEAL]

yeah i dunno who told you to run AAS at 128 pounds. if you would of naturally got to 165 then jumped on roids at 5 5 it would be one thing.. but at 128 is too skinny.

the bottom line is you cannot be great at endurance AND bodybuilding. they do not mix well. and AAS and endurance most certainly do not mix.. AAS will increase RBC count which will cripple your endurance.

remember your body is already producing test on its own. all you are doing when you introduce test is you shut down your own test and replace it with foreign test. also that foreign test converts to estrogen. you will notice water weight gains, which are most certainly not 'lean muscle' gains as you are wishing for

Which is why I will be taking letro to combat the water weight gains. And doing a weak dose of test so I don't hinder my performance. I only felt like my endurance was effected a little bit with 500mg of test, so I don't think 350 will harm it at all.

 

[Judo Tom]

what i was getting at was why add roids. if you only want to add a bit of mass you can do that naturally at your weight. Trust me doing all that cardio and training is keeping you from building muscle. and that will happen with or without aas. so if you want to put on muscle you need to cut out some of the training, eat more and rest more.

 

[stevesmi]

judo is right.

i would google high altitude training if you want to boost your endurance and learn about what EPO is and how oxygen and RBC count effect your endurance.

running AAS will be counter productive to your goals.. I know cause I tried it myself, gotta trust the experience of others.. but like i said do your own DD and you will get your own answers

 

[SEAL]

I understand. I've read a little on EPO, i know it's what all the pro endurance athletes use. But I have no idea how or where to get my hands on it.

 

[SEAL]

what i was getting at was why add roids. if you only want to add a bit of mass you can do that naturally at your weight. Trust me doing all that cardio and training is keeping you from building muscle. and that will happen with or without aas. so if you want to put on muscle you need to cut out some of the training, eat more and rest more.

the roids were mainly to get the strength boosts, and honestly i believe i was able to run and sprint faster when i was on. this is a pre season cycle, season will start around right after my PCT. but SEAL training starts in a few weeks.

The PT test is one of a few elements that will get me in, and also see where i'm at. You do a 500yd swim, pushups 2minutes, situps 2 minutes, deadhang pullups, run 1.5miles in boots and long pants. You get a 2minutw break inbetween each To be competetive, my times need to be: 8minutes for the swim, around 80 pushups, around 80 situps, 16-20 deadhang pullups, and the run in 10minutes.

When i was on i was able to do all those competitive times, but now i cant do more than 12pullups, 45pushups, 40 situps. I really think my muscle endurance really went to shit because my recovery was horrible. I did a nolva/clomid PCT, it sucked.

 

[Judo Tom]

If you are really going into the military for something like that be careful. there are a lot of risks with using and getting caught. also your schedule, diet, travel is not in your control.. nothing is really so the cycle could get all messed up...if you run into problems during the cycle you are also limited as well... just a word of caution hope you have this figured out.

you might want to think about a legal otc stack. again just to give you more options something like epi strong and katanadrol would be nice legal and safe? even 10mg of beast a day stacked with katanadrol could be cool.

IDK just a lot could happen. either way you will get help here with whatever you do but really think it through and best of luck to you!

 

[SEAL]

If you are really going into the military for something like that be careful. there are a lot of risks with using and getting caught. also your schedule, diet, travel is not in your control.. nothing is really so the cycle could get all messed up...if you run into problems during the cycle you are also limited as well... just a word of caution hope you have this figured out.

you might want to think about a legal otc stack. again just to give you more options something like epi strong and katanadrol would be nice legal and safe? even 10mg of beast a day stacked with katanadrol could be cool.

IDK just a lot could happen. either way you will get help here with whatever you do but really think it through and best of luck to you!

I'm not getting shipped till 8 months from now.. I'm already enlisted and already have a SEAL contract. I'm finishing my wrestling season, training with senior chief 3 days a week starting in a few weeks, all the way up till I leave. I go to 8 week bootcamp, then I'm sent to cali for BUDs.

So i'll have plenty of time for a cycle and such. And yeah I have heard good things about beastdrol, but wouldn't it kill my cardio?

 

[panther66]

When i was on i was able to do all those competitive times, but now i cant do more than 12pullups, 45pushups, 40 situps. I really think my muscle endurance really went to shit because my recovery was horrible. I did a nolva/clomid PCT, it sucked.

I'm not trying to be a d*ck or bust your b*lls, but those numbers in 2 minutes seem...pretty bad. I can't imagine that you will be able to cycle once part of the program, so what are you going to do 10 months from now if your numbers drop so significantly? I would really consider Judo Tom's suggestion and go with a more OTC approach. Again, I mean no offense. I'm just tryng to look ahead and would hate to see you in a vulnerable or bad position 2 months into your SEAL training. Good luck!

 

[SEAL]

I'm not trying to be a d*ck or bust your b*lls, but those numbers in 2 minutes seem...pretty bad. I can't imagine that you will be able to cycle once part of the program, so what are you going to do 10 months from now if your numbers drop so significantly? I would really consider Judo Tom's suggestion and go with a more OTC approach. Again, I mean no offense. I'm just tryng to look ahead and would hate to see you in a vulnerable or bad position 2 months into your SEAL training. Good luck!

No I don't take offense to your response at all. I respect it. But i believe my numbers went to shit because I really haven't recovered from my last cycle, my PCT wasn't great. Nolva & clomid. Just didn't seem to work for me. But next cycle I won't make that mistake.

And those numbers really are not bad, and that wasn't my max, I said I was able to do those no problem. But factoring that you only get a 2 minute rest between each thing makes it much more difficult. Swimming really takes it out of you, then you have to do all the callestenics, then run. It's harder than it sounds, but no my numbers aren't ridiculous, I just think they were pretty good. At the time I wasn't doing very much callestenics. My muscle endurance was better than it is now, but not nearly as good as it could have been. I was doing nothing but heavy resistance exercises. I got my max bench up to 315lbs, flat dumbbell bench 130s in each hand. Military press was 235 max, squat was 425, and legpress 850. Those numbers are pretty damn good for someone my size, correct me if i'm wrong.

But trust me I completely understand all these responses, they make sense. But I honestly believe that this cycle, with an actual great PCT afterwards, will do me some good. Short term and long term.

 

[stevesmi]

if you are in the middle of PCT or rebounding during your tests you will be in trouble, I don't care how good your PCT is. thats the problem with juicing ahead of it and why training naturally is your best option.. you get busted for juicing they will kick you out automatically. they do search your stuff to make sure you have no contraband.

anyway whatever you choose to do good luck.. let us know how it goes .. have fun in hell week lol (i have a buddy who did it, its called hell week for a reason lol)

 

[panther66]

. I got my max bench up to 315lbs, flat barbell bench 130s in each hand. Military press was 235 max, squat was 425, and legpress 850. Those numbers are pretty damn good for someone my size, correct me if i'm wrong.

Damn! Hell yeah those are good numbers!!! For your weight, those are pretty kick-ass numbers!!! I'm glad you understand I wasn't trying to talk trash. Believe me, I respect the commitment that you are making for our country and wish you all of the best!!!

 

[Judo Tom]

I really think you should focus on the seal stuff.. wrestling is great but that part of your life is basically over if you go into the seals.

If making it through seal training is really your #1 goal that should be your #1 focus. Do some backplanning and start there. I would look into a program that would make you pretty strong but have insane endurance and build up your mental will and ability to push yourself. How often are the seals gonna make you bench press or militray press.

I would do something like crossfit and add in something like wendler 3x a week with no assistance exercises.. any extra energy should be spent running/lifting. If you are not 100% recovered then you should run an 8week PCT not a cycle. Get yourself good and healthy functioning 100%

If those lifts are still there then you are strong enough. Work on musclular endurance and anaerobic conditioning. Get your swim down so its NOTHING not taxing at all.... just a walk in the park...

Not sure what your situation is but I would look into a GOOD crossfit gym or do the wods from crossfit football. and again swim swim swim... run run run.

Good Luck

 

[SEAL]

I really think you should focus on the seal stuff.. wrestling is great but that part of your life is basically over if you go into the seals.

If making it through seal training is really your #1 goal that should be your #1 focus. Do some backplanning and start there. I would look into a program that would make you pretty strong but have insane endurance and build up your mental will and ability to push yourself. How often are the seals gonna make you bench press or militray press.

I would do something like crossfit and add in something like wendler 3x a week with no assistance exercises.. any extra energy should be spent running/lifting. If you are not 100% recovered then you should run an 8week PCT not a cycle. Get yourself good and healthy functioning 100%

If those lifts are still there then you are strong enough. Work on musclular endurance and anaerobic conditioning. Get your swim down so its NOTHING not taxing at all.... just a walk in the park...

Not sure what your situation is but I would look into a GOOD crossfit gym or do the wods from crossfit football. and again swim swim swim... run run run.

Good Luck

Thanks alot, good advice, honestly. I do agree wrestling is
short term, i will definately be taking your advice.