Electric Car = Green

[billfred]

What a crock of shit.

http://green.yahoo.com/blog/ecogeek/364/tesla-starts-full-scale-production.html

Anyone who thinks electric cars reduce emmissions should have to turn in their environmentalist card - then be shot.

 

[Cutiebaby]

I think for the most part there are only 2 reasons as to why people are getting these cars. Such as lower cost of gas, and also the fact that you get a tax break when purchasing one on your yearly returns.

It is a car, it has an exhaust system obviously it is not some wonder car that will totally get rid of pollution!

 

[75th]

Im still waiting for those hoverboards that were featured in Back to the Future II.

Fucking greedy bastards from Fox are probably holding on to all of them.

 

[nimbus]

What a crock of shit.

http://green.yahoo.com/blog/ecogeek/364/tesla-starts-full-scale-production.html

Anyone who thinks electric cars reduce emmissions should have to turn in their environmentalist card - then be shot.

what the fuck are you talking about. the emissions from making enough electricity, even by burning coal, to power an electric car are definitely less than the emissions from burning gas to power power an interal combustion engine vehicle

 

[nimbus]

I think for the most part there are only 2 reasons as to why people are getting these cars. Such as lower cost of gas, and also the fact that you get a tax break when purchasing one on your yearly returns.

It is a car, it has an exhaust system obviously it is not some wonder car that will totally get rid of pollution!

exhaust system on an electric car? brilliant. what is it 'exhausting' exactly?

 

[nimbus]

one thing i will say though is that when make a 'high-perfomance' electric or hybrid vehicle, most of the environmental benefits are negated when compared to your average ICE vehicle. The only thing they really have an advantage over are other high performance vehicle. Your avg. elec or hybrid vehicle though - money

 

[Cutiebaby]

exhaust system on an electric car? brilliant. what is it 'exhausting' exactly?

So are you telling me if I bought an electric car that there is no exhaust system, muffler, the works??

 

[jestro]

So are you telling me if I bought an electric car that there is no exhaust system, muffler, the works??

I think your confusing a hybrid with an electric car. A hybrid has gas and electric motor.
Internal combustion is what's making the exhaust.

Oh, and btw billfred, some places have cleaner sources of electricity. In the NW we have a lot of dams which are pretty clean. And sooner or later, things like solar and wind will provide some pretty clean energy.

Imagine this, you have to cells to power your electric car. At home you have a solar panel that charges your extra cell, and you swap them once a day. Boom, clean energy my brother.

 

[billfred]

what the fuck are you talking about. the emissions from making enough electricity, even by burning coal, to power an electric car are definitely less than the emissions from burning gas to power power an interal combustion engine vehicle

That is complete bs and the falicy that this is all based on.

 

[nimbus]

So are you telling me if I bought an electric car that there is no exhaust system, muffler, the works??

kind of embarassing but i actually dont know what a muffler does so i can't comment on that.

But the only reason cars need exhaust systems is because burning oil releases gas in the form of CO2 (and other pollutants like NOx and VOCs, depending on how good/bad your catalytic converters are), and the car needs a way to clear them from the combustion chamber.

Electric cars just run off a battery, so they have about as much emissions as a flashlight

 

[billfred]

kind of embarassing but i actually dont know what a muffler does so i can't comment on that.

But the only reason cars need exhaust systems is because burning oil releases gas in the form of CO2 (and other pollutants like NOx and VOCs, depending on how good/bad your catalytic converters are), and the car needs a way to clear them from the combustion chamber.

Electric cars just run off a battery, so they have about as much emissions as a flashlight

A muffler does just that - muffles noise. Knock one off sometime and you will realize what it is for.

I don't believe an electric car would require a muffler nor an exhaust filter.

 

[nimbus]

That is complete bs and the falicy that this is all based on.

you're wrong about that, but for argument's sake let's suppose that the electricity is produced from a nuclear power plant (less emissions) or from windmills (no emissions/pollution)? Are electric cars still no better than their ICE counterparts?

 

[billfred]

you're wrong about that, but for argument's sake let's suppose that the electricity is produced from a nuclear power plant (less emissions) or from windmills (no emissions/pollution)? Are electric cars still no better than their ICE counterparts?

yes - and we know how many nuclear power plants are going up these days. Fact is Electricity plants emmit more greenhouse gasses than autos and electricity demand is a bigger growth issue than transportation.

I don't know what rhetoric you are reading but it jsut that. These crap reports show that natural gas power plants have 40% CO2 emmissions than coal but somehow if you transport that donw an electric transmission line - with 30% line loss - somehow there is less emmisions at an auto.

It really just does not add up.

 

[nimbus]

yes - and we know how many nuclear power plants are going up these days. Fact is Electricity plants emmit more greenhouse gasses than autos and electricity demand is a bigger growth issue than transportation.

I don't know what rhetoric you are reading but it jsut that. These crap reports show that natural gas power plants have 40% CO2 emmissions than coal but somehow if you transport that donw an electric transmission line - with 30% line loss - somehow there is less emmisions at an auto.

It really just does not add up.

i dunno why you're giving me numbers for power plants overall..

yo what matters is: suppose you want to drive one mile.. How much emissions are involved in producing the elec. needed to go one mile, vs. the amount of emissions involved in burning enough gas to go one mile.
1. Electric vehicles are way more efficient than combustion vehicles. Even factoring in losses in generating the electricity at the plant. That is really what it mostly comes down to. More efficieny means less by-products.
2. Also, even if efficiency wasn't enough, there are always much cleaner ways to get electricity than coal or natural gas

The equivalent amount of electricity vs gas for powering a car really does cause less emissions

If you charge your battery at night the effect on the environment is further reduced somewhat because it is more efficient for power plants to maintain more constant levels of production.

Also, 30% line loss? dude.. line loss is like 5% where are you getting your numbers?

 

[jestro]

There are just some people who will hold on to the gas powered engine till they die. They are the same people who wouldn't give up their horse and buggy.