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Elbows Are really sore

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I havent done any cycles yet, but the last week or so my elbows have been super sore, i ice them and take ib profin and even took some oxys but i still have pain in both of them. I havent worked out in a week, all i have been taking is 400-500 g of protein a day and alot of water amino acids, and NO.
 
Is the pain on the inside or outside of the elbow? the outside is Tennis Elbow and pain on the inside (closest to your body) is call Golfers Elbow. I get bad Golfers Elbow (and I don't even play golf). This condition hurts me worse when I use a curl bar vs a straight bar for Bi's. An elbow wrap and some advil will help but basically you either rest it or work around it.
 
Yes I can help i had the guy on ignore though.

Slayer is also right, i have this poster on ignore let me turn him off.
 
I have the same issues with both elbows. It sux. I just do my best to work past the pain. I have found when running IGF does help some.
 
jesus christ WORK Through the pain???

you guys need to see a doctor ASAP. Torn tendons arent something to ignore
 
ghost y u ignoring me fool? It's on the inside of my elbow. It has been hurting me on the left for months, not the right elbow is acting up but not nearly as bad, pain killers arent working to well for me, i ice them at night when i sleep.
 
Man the typical anti inflammatory BS that docs recommend is for the average couch potatoes who cares about comfort more than the actual problem. If your a lifter/athlete and long term health of you joints matters then lay off the anti-inflammatory, they hinder healing.

Do some reading at prolonews.com.
 
I have elbow pain, but it's not on the inside or outside, it's right down the middle of the elbow, right at the tip. It hurts when I do certain tricep exercises and also when I flex my arm when doing a double bicep pose. Any ideas?
 
Well lets c, on the inside of my elbows it hurts all day long, worse after doing curls or tricep pushdowns. its not swollen up at all, its just an agrivating constant pain all day long primarily in the left inner elbow, the right acts up ocasionaly. More or less it feels worse on the bone when i touch it. It is definetly a joint problem, as when i put pressure on it with my index finger and extend my arm out i can feel it inside the joint.
 
Zyglamail said:
Man the typical anti inflammatory BS that docs recommend is for the average couch potatoes who cares about comfort more than the actual problem. If your a lifter/athlete and long term health of you joints matters then lay off the anti-inflammatory, they hinder healing.

Do some reading at prolonews.com.
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he is right, and saved me a lot of future pain and grief

I stopped my corticosteroid injections after the first one

DO NOT MASK THE PAIN, give ample time to heal and take right supplements and eat right! excercise and diet in the meantime
 
It doesnt matter if its called tennis elbow, golf elbow or masturbation elbow, the end result is that where there is pain in a joint its likely do to injured tenons or ligaments.

The cells in the tissue that makes up tendons/liniments has a very slow cellular turnover rate (ie 300 to 500 days normally). Swelling is a key element in the healing cascade and why in many areas it can be very problematic, in the case of tendons/ligaments eliminating the swelling and reducing blood flow with ice SLOWS healing and masks pain. You hit the gym, do more damage, take more NSAIDs/ICE, rinse repeat until you finally suffer permanent damage or a separation. When one gets injured it also puts additional stress on the rest of the joint making surrounding tissues more likely to be damaged as well.

Allowing it to heal is the only way to truly make things better, you can speed healing with prolotherapy but aside from that lifting the way ya have been and masking the pain and reducing inflamation is just setting yourself up to fail.

Just to add, some time back I had tennis elbow so bad I couldnt push a door open at the mall without having throbbing pain for hours afterowrds. Tried all the typical "regular doctor" BS of ice, NSAIDs etc and when that and a few weeks off didnt do a damn thing I returned only to be told a cortisone inj was they key. I wasnt worried about the injection, but the long term effects. After doing a lot more research I came to find out cortisone injection was the WORST thing I could have done if longevity mattered.

In the end I turned to prolotherapy, had both elbows treated and never even had to stop lifting. I missed a day here and there after each treatment but didnt give it up all together and within a few months was back to normal. It worked so well on my elbows I had a foot treated, a shoulder I separated earlier that was giving me problems and my back as well. Even recently I went back and had a finger treated that I sprained real bad and just keep catching it on stuff and aggravating it enough so it never seemed to heal.
 
Yea, i was afraid of that. I really didn't need this, I was making some really nice gains on my chest and tricepts, I mean for a while it completely went away, untill i started doing some major forearm pounding. I knew reverse barbell curls put alot of stress on the joints, but i'm begining to think mabey i took it to far.
 
the slow turnover of connective might be nudged along with nadrolone and G h, no idea if that's actually going to help in this case. I noticed since running low dose g h my elbows were feeling a lot better until I got back into heavy squatting :s
 
Tweakle said:
the slow turnover of connective might be nudged along with nadrolone and G h, no idea if that's actually going to help in this case. I noticed since running low dose g h my elbows were feeling a lot better until I got back into heavy squatting :s
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Yeah, im squatting almost 400lbs, ive made some amazing natural gains in the last month or so, it's disheartening to have to slow down now, i don't want to but it'll be worth it in the long run. My doctor wanted to do a coristeroid shot, I told him i would get back to him tommorow after i did some research. My gf had them in her foot and it only masked the problem for a few months.
 
Tweakle said:
the slow turnover of connective might be nudged along with nadrolone and G h, no idea if that's actually going to help in this case. I noticed since running low dose g h my elbows were feeling a lot better until I got back into heavy squatting :s
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Yea, it may. Swelling and blood flow however are needed to not only get nutrients to the site of damage but also to remove damaged tissue. When it comes to injuries like this and using ice, it helps with the pain but at what cost?

The more I learn about the body the more I realize that docs dont really treat problems anymore, they only treat the symptoms. Most people are so snowed they blindly follow their docs advice all the while thinking "Hey, they are the one with the diploma". I learned a long time ago to question and do my own research as well. Docs usually like talking medicine and if you begin to question them you may actually begin to get some of them thinking outside the box and thats what we really need. More docs who are willing to think outside the box.
 
Zyglamail said:
Yea, it may. Swelling and blood flow however are needed to not only get nutrients to the site of damage but also to remove damaged tissue. When it comes to injuries like this and using ice, it helps with the pain but at what cost?

The more I learn about the body the more I realize that docs dont really treat problems anymore, they only treat the symptoms. Most people are so snowed they blindly follow their docs advice all the while thinking "Hey, they are the one with the diploma". I learned a long time ago to question and do my own research as well. Docs usually like talking medicine and if you begin to question them you may actually begin to get some of them thinking outside the box and thats what we really need. More docs who are willing to think outside the box.
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Exactly that is a problem in america. Look at how many people go to the doctor a day. The shovel you in and push you out as fast as they can so they can make more money by seeing more patients. When i went today i frogot my wallet, and they said, "sir you have to make your copay," my reply was, " Well i forgot my wallet, and what do you do with the people who don't have insurance? Nothing, You can bill me just like you do to them, an dif you are going to refuse me treatment, i will see your ass in court." My step fathers son is a lawyer btw. Another thing that gets me is when people go in with sore throats and they perscribed pennicillin, or amoxicillen with out testing for strep, i mean i get sore throats all the time due to sinus drainage, whats going to happen is that people are going to become immune to certain drugs and antibiotics. Bacteria and virus are amazing organisms and they adapt over time. You don't even want to get me started on anti depressants.
 
letrs not get over analytical!!!

Winstrol is the most damaging anabolic androgenic steroids to collagen cross linking fibers - which are fibrous strands wound up tightly, making up collagen structures like your rotator cuffs & tendons, etc. Winstrol makes these structures slightly larger, porous, and extremely brittle, very prone to macro-tears since the collagen structure is not only brittle but extremely porous."

1)Falanga V, Greenberg AS, Zhou L, Ochoa SM, Roberts AB, Falabella A, Yamaguchi Y. Stimulation of collagen synthesis by the anabolic steroid stanozolol. J Invest Dermatol 1998 Dec;111(6):1193-7.
 
Try active release and deep tissue massage, if you have overly tight muscles and/or structures out of alignment it will prevent or slow down healing a LOT.

Since I stopped the ice/advil cycle my elbows were (until recently) feeling a lot better. Using straps for pullups rather than gripping the bar and going super wide with your grip on squats - if possible, most racks don't let you go wide - helps.
 
Tweakle said:
Try active release and deep tissue massage, if you have overly tight muscles and/or structures out of alignment it will prevent or slow down healing a LOT.

Since I stopped the ice/advil cycle my elbows were (until recently) feeling a lot better. Using straps for pullups rather than gripping the bar and going super wide with your grip on squats - if possible, most racks don't let you go wide - helps.
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I missed my leg work out today to go see the doc. The pain was unbearable this morning in the left one. They wanted to do a cortisteroid, and said hell no, so i have a mri scheduled for next friday when the scanner truck comes in. The did give me some oxy's for the pain temp.
 
holy ghost said:
jesus christ WORK Through the pain???

you guys need to see a doctor ASAP. Torn tendons arent something to ignore
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I understand what the problem is in my case Ghost but as has been laid out nicely in this thread there really is little I can do excepting rest and I am trying to avoid that as do not like missing workouts. If it gets to a point where I can't handle training then I obviously I will rest but I have had the same issues before and it does clear up, or at least it has previously. I am currently working out 4 days straight with 3 days rest so again I am hoping this rest time might be enough over the course of a few weeks to give the elbows time to heal.

I'm currently on another run of IGF during PCT so I am hoping this will assist to as I have had some benfit previously with IGF also.
 
Sounds like you have Tendonitis. Quit lifting and go see an Orthopedic elbow specialist. He will probably tell you to go lighter on your weights, and maybe prescribe something. Connective tissue takes a long time to heal.
 
masonweitzel said:
I missed my leg work out today to go see the doc. The pain was unbearable this morning in the left one. They wanted to do a cortisteroid, and said hell no, so i have a mri scheduled for next friday when the scanner truck comes in. The did give me some oxy's for the pain temp.
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MRI's are very inaccurate when it comes to tendons/ligaments. There are many studies to back this up as well. One such study showed that 100% of all patients studied over 60 years of age who had NO symptoms showed abnormal scans. 36% displayed herniated disks and all but one had degeneration or bulging of a disc in at least one lumbar level.

Keep in mind these were all people who reported NO PROBLEMS. Dont you think if the damage existed tot the extent showed by the MRI that these people would be in pain?

Im not sure if your directly footing the bill for this stuff, but if you are, do yourself a favor, point your browser to prolonews.com and find a doc who does prolotherapy, you wont be sorry and likely wont have to stop lifting either.
 
Zyglamail said:
Man the typical anti inflammatory BS that docs recommend is for the average couch potatoes who cares about comfort more than the actual problem. If your a lifter/athlete and long term health of you joints matters then lay off the anti-inflammatory, they hinder healing.

Do some reading at prolonews.com.
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good post and good info. nsaids slow healing
 
my insurance pays for 90 percent. when i say the pain is unbearable, its bad. the oxys helped a little bit, i can barely move my arm today.
 
you wont always show s/s of a buldging disk. alot of factors come into play. how big is the buldge does it put pressure on a nerve or anything. When your over 60 your bound to have these abnormalities.

Also one thing to consider is that when asked if they were having pain what thier perception is of "having pain." Alot of people this age see pain differently than those half thier age. Also maybe they are understadning the question as constant pain. Maybe they get a pain if they move a certain way and attribute that pain to the way they moved.

MRIs are the most accurate scans we have for things not seen on a CT scan.
 
I have a very high tolerance for pain. The oxys make it managable. Im starting to show some swelling today.
 
its torn bro

I have been there;
Its not the end of the world, although it might seem like.

youll be cool, better make some goals for 8-10 weeks because thats how long its going to take at the least ( precautionary)
 
I have the same problem bro however, not to the severity that you seem to have it. Try to isolate what exercises aggrivate the problem most and go lighter or just avoid them alltogether. Add something with less impact to your routine. In my case preachers fucking kill my right elbow so I don't do them as part of my regular bicept routine. I do do them just not as often.

Good luck mang.
 
First he needs to continue getting it looked at.

and it will never heal efficiently if he dosnt take time off.( COMPLETELY)

ask Zyg,

For me, I had to switch from DBS and Barbells to Machines and Cables for a while, it

gave me AMPLE time to work on my wheels and I cought my left up to my right,


Mason, since youre already 5% bf, its also a great time for you to work on any lagging

body parts and your wheels etc


what up B man whatz crackin over thurr
 
errn247 said:
MRIs are the most accurate scans we have for things not seen on a CT scan.
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Thats correct but "most accurate" just means they are better than nothing. It doesnt make them the do all and be all of diagnosis.

That was just one of many studies on their accuracy, or lack of, believe me there are many more.

Even if its accurate in this case and it identifies tendonitis then what? The doc is going to come back with the same BS line and thats "Rest, use NSAID's, Ice and a cortisone injection". He may even spew out that surgery is needed.

What I am trying to get across to everyone here is that even specialists dont know everything and there is a well documented procedure (ie prolotherapy) to greatly speed natural healing that wont jeopardize the long term health of your joints.

I find it ironic how on the subject of anabolic androgenic steroids everyone here seems to think they know more than their doc but when it comes to a silly tendon injury they blindly follow the average docs advice without thinking twice about it.
 
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ya man, i just pounded the hell put of my legs. Presses, extensions, and i use a really wide grip on my squats. I throw in some box squats today. I have a should pad for the bar that is made out of plastic called a "Mantaray" that fits on your shoulders, i used that and a wide ass grip. i did some messing around with my arms, and found a way to do arm curls on the cable cross over machine. THime to make these abs pop like hell too.
 
Zyglamail said:
Thats correct but "most accurate" just means they are better than nothing. It doesnt make them the do all and be all of diagnosis.

That was just one of many studies on their accuracy, or lack of, believe me there are many more.

Even if its accurate in this case and it identifies tendonitis then what? The doc is going to come back with the same BS line and thats "Rest, use NSAID's, Ice and a cortisone injection". He may even spew out that surgery is needed.

What I am trying to get across to everyone here is that even specialists dont know everything and there is a well documented procedure (ie prolotherapy) to greatly speed natural healing that wont jeopardize the long term health of your joints.

I find it ironic how on the subject of anabolic androgenic steroids everyone here seems to think they know more than their doc but when it comes to a silly tendon injury they blindly follow the average docs advice without thinking twice about it.
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Good point. a lot of docs will also throw everyuone into a certain treatment protocol and not treat the patient as a person. Sucks. I like that prolotherapy. ill have to keep it mind.


Do they work well lower back? what size needle do they use to inject the dextrose soultion? Is it like a D10 iv fluid type solution or a little more complicated than that?
 
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