Either God does not exist or there is no free will.

[WODIN]

Why?

Why always boils down to faith. Either you have it or you don't.

Everyone of these threads always boils down to that singular issue.

I have faith.

 

[decem]

and then the educated ones laughed.

After coming into contact with a religious man I always feel I must wash my hands.
-- Friedrich Nietzsche

 

[Lumberg]

this is so at a preschool sunday school level. why don't you all try reading the Bible again and get a clue.

Who said any of us have ever read it in the first place?!?!?!

 

[Lumberg]

The bible isn't the only canon of monotheistic religion.

 

[primetime21]

God is a being who is omnipotent and omniscient. If there is a God he must have these traits.

Therefore, in order for God to exist he must see and know everything about your future.

If he knows everything about your future you can not have free will as your decisions are already known.

So, either God does not exist, or there is no free will (which brings up other issues, obviously).

Thoughts...

A little heavy for 930 in the morning, but...

God's "knowledge" is just observation and not dictation.

Suppose time-machines become a reality and I use a time-machine to travel forward in time. I write down all your actions for a particular day and travel back in time. I give you the notes of what you did on a particular day (the notes are sealed). After the day is over you read the sealed notes and you see that I knew of all your actions on that day.

Did I take away your free will? Nope, rather i just observed what you did.

 

[bigschweeler]

After coming into contact with a religious man I always feel I must wash my hands.
-- Friedrich Nietzsche

"God is dead" - Nietzsche

This question always points to a problem with the human mind. We always tend to think in absolutes. Either there is a God or there is no free will. If there is a God than God must be all knowing and all powerful. Who is to say that our minds are capable of grasping God?

This is another way of saying that you have to take a Kierkegaardian leap of faith and just believe without reason. When you use reason you get into unwinnable debates like this one above.

 

[decem]

no, try reading the Bible before you start making opinions on it, because so far, you are all mostly off base.

This is like me saying that shakespeare didn't understand love because of him incorporating death into his plays.

Single-mindedness is all very well in cows or baboons; in an animal claiming to belong to the same species as Shakespeare it is simply disgraceful.
-- Aldous Huxley

 

[MarthaStewart]

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

 

[distanced]

God knows, but we dont, so he lets us decide for ourselves, which to us, feels as free will. since God didn't intervine(sp) it is free will if despite the fact that he knows what we are going to do.

 

[decem]

Why?

Why always boils down to faith. Either you have it or you don't.

Everyone of these threads always boils down to that singular issue.

I have faith.

I recall the story of the philosopher and the theologian. The two were engaged in disputation and the theologian used the old quip about a philosopher resembling a blind man, in a dark room, looking for a black cat -- which wasn't there. "That may be," said the philosopher: "but a theologian would have found it."
-- Julian Huxley