Either God does not exist or there is no free will.

[Lift Chief]

I'm not limiting GOd's power, simply extending the power of choice.

I don't follow you. Either God is all knowing or he isn't. If he only knows certain things he is not God. For God to exist there is no choice, that's the point. It may make us feel better to think we have choices, but by a logical analysis it doesnt seem to make sense.

 

[Code]

I don't follow you. Either God is all knowing or he isn't. If he only knows certain things he is not God. For God to exist there is no choice, that's the point. It may make us feel better to think we have choices, but by a logical analysis it doesnt seem to make sense.

You're intertwining all-knowing with all-powerful. They are seperate and distinct.

And your logic is flawed, it falls prey to Well Poisoning. Read more on Formal Systems and Logic.

 

[distanced]

no, try reading the Bible before you start making opinions on it, because so far, you are all mostly off base.

This is like me saying that shakespeare didn't understand love because of him incorporating death into his plays.

 

[decem]

this is so at a preschool sunday school level. why don't you all try reading the Bible again and get a clue.

Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.
-- Albert Einstein

 

[distanced]

Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.

and then the educated ones laughed.

 

[Lift Chief]

You're intertwining all-knowing with all-powerful. They are seperate and distinct.

And your logic is flawed, it falls prey to Well Poisoning. Read more on Formal Systems and Logic.

I am intertwining it, you're right, but that has no bearing on my argument because for a being to be God it must be BOTH all powerful and all knowing.

LOL- i love how pretentious you are. Instead of taking a moment to explain what you mean and thereby open yourself to a counter-attack you make a vague statement and tell me to "read more".

When in actuality i know what "poisoning the well" is... and i have not done it once this thread. When did i discredit someone in order to try and validate my points? Please, lol, explain it to me.

 

[WODIN]

I don't follow- can you explain?

Do you agree with my original post- what are your thoughts?

I could but what fun would there be in that.

I agree with Codes points relating to free will.

 

[Lift Chief]

no, try reading the Bible before you start making opinions on it, because so far, you are all mostly off base.

This is like me saying that shakespeare didn't understand love because of him incorporating death into his plays.

How ironic that you try to discredit what we're all saying by letting us know it's so pre-school sunday school level.

I believe this is what you're saying:
And then you go on to present the trite, illogical argument (using a questionable analogy btw), which is getting at the point that "God must allow evil to exist in the world, otherwise there could be no good, we would not apprecaite the good, etc." Do you honestly believe that we need this level of evil in the world (WWI, WWII, holocaust, etc) in order for us to appreciate the good?


We are debating the idea of a God, not the Christian God... this is on a much broader level than the specifics of one religion's idea of God... so what is reading the bible going to tell me?

 

[Lift Chief]

I agree with Codes points relating to free will.

Why?

 

[distanced]

why believe in someone else's points, when the Bible has the answers to the questions you are asking with out having to use your own private interpretatioin. Is everyone just too lazy to read the whole thing themselves, and would rather fight about issues cause they have no idea what they are talking about because either: they have never read the complete text in a modern, more updated translation or are trying to remember the things they were told in catholic school when they were twelve. I mean really, come on now.