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Economic, Social Collapse and US vs Iran War coming.

FriendlyCanadian said:
No offense but all you guys who are like, holy fuck I need to seclude myself in solitude and load up with guns and ammo and years supply and food and water because north america is going to end (or the world) in brimstone and chaos and I'll need to kill to survive, are fucking retarded.

I just wanted to throw that out there, YOURE MORONS! the world isn't ending, chill the fuck out.

I understand that the whole world isn't ending. But everyone knows the old cliche' "no one learns from history." Well the few of us who do are always accused of being lunatic fringe.

America as far as we know it is at its end.. It is the worlds most powerful nation, and when a nation as powerful as ours collapses there is a power vacuum. The scramble to fill that vacuum is always chaotic and painful. History repeats itself. And people like you live in a la la land of wishful thinking and are unwilling to accept the hard truths of history are the ones who are caught by surprise and suffer the most.

I hope I'm wrong. I really do. I hope Canada's neutralness pays off and there is still a place for the smart people to flee too.

So criticize all you want. Chance favors the prepared.
 
FriendlyCanadian said:
No offense but all you guys who are like, holy fuck I need to seclude myself in solitude and load up with guns and ammo and years supply and food and water because north america is going to end (or the world) in brimstone and chaos and I'll need to kill to survive, are fucking retarded.

I just wanted to throw that out there, YOURE MORONS! the world isn't ending, chill the fuck out.

Uh, while I agree, I'll just go as far as stating said peeps need to chillax :D
 
Stoßtruppe said:
Uh, while I agree, I'll just go as far as stating said peeps need to chillax :D

My friend, many Brits and Frenchies had this same attitude during the run ut to WW2.
 
pin said:
My friend, many Brits and Frenchies had this same attitude during the run ut to WW2.

Aye, but the world wasn't going to end, "merely" a small group people holding a small bit of land for a small period of time in the grand scheme of things.
 
nzrodney said:
I have been interested in this "project" for some years. There is a lot of disinformation & bullshit attached to the various sites & groups involved. It will not be implimented in its entirity as it would & still may cause a complete upheavel of the worlds monitory, financial & political systems. You will see that it is already an Act by Congress passed in 2000. Take out of it what you want. Some is Truth ,some is not. Here is a bit of background information:

History Behind the National Economic Security And Reformation Act (NESARA)


NESARA’s reformations are the main tools for implementing important US Supreme Court rulings made in January 1993 on several cases filed by farmers living in US Midwest and Mountain states areas against banks, specific government officials, certain judges, and others. Certain US Generals and Admirals were supportive of, and one General was co-plaintiff in, the Farmers’ Cases that went to the US Supreme Court. You may recall in the 1970’s and 1980’s there were news reports and documentaries about thousands of family farmers losing their farms to foreclosure. Willie Nelson has been doing Farm Aid concerts for years to help these farmers.

In the 1980’s some of the farmers investigated why there were so many bank foreclosures on their farms and discovered certain banks were fraudulently foreclosing on their farms. When these farmers turned to government officials for assistance and filed lawsuits against these banks, they learned certain government officials and judges were working in collusion with the banks. The farmers also learned that certain aspects of the current Federal Reserve banking system were unconstitutional and pursued their lawsuits through the Federal District Court in Denver and other locations. Some of the farmers involved in the lawsuits were harassed by the IRS and in turn investigated the IRS involvement with the bankers. After years of lawsuits, several of the farmers’ lawsuits reached the US Supreme Court including Baskerville and Foster v. Credit Bank of Wichita, Federal Land Bank, and First Interstate Bank of Fort Collins from the Denver Federal District Court. For simplicity, I call these cases at the US Supreme Court the "Farmers’ Cases".

In early 1993, the nine US Supreme Court judges ruled seven to two in favor of the farmers on all major issues including that the Federal Reserve Banking system was unconstitutional, that the US has been operating outside the Constitution since March 1933, that major reformations of government and our banking system are required, and that financial redress and remedies must be provided for financial losses due to bank fraud suffered by generations of Americans. The farmers involved certain very powerful US military Generals and Admirals in their cases. These Generals and Admirals made it clear to the US Supreme Court judges that they knew the farmers’ cases were righteous and watched in the courtroom as the US Supreme Court Judges heard the cases. The presence of the Generals and Admirals is why the majority of the judges felt they had to rule properly and in favor of the farmers. Because of the extraordinary nature of the necessary reformations, the Court sealed all court records and put all people directly involved under Non Disclosure agreements (gag orders) until the reformations are publicly and officially announced.

The Court had a duty to design and implement reformations to correct the injustices; therefore, the Court recruited experts in Constitutional Law, banking, economics, and monetary systems to work in task force groups to develop the needed reformations. During the two years these expert groups developed the reformations, irrefutable proof was provided to the US Supreme Court Judges that the 16th Amendment to the Constitution, the income tax amendment, had not been properly ratified. The Judges had no choice but to include abolishing income taxes in the reformations development process. It was also found that there had been a definite pattern of federal administrations and Congress ignoring the Constitution in laws passed since 1933. FDR took the US out of Constitutional Law when he declared a national banking emergency and amended the Trading with the Enemy Act in March 1933.

Constitutional Law experts working on government reformations determined that to end the pattern of blatant disregard for the Constitution, it would be necessary to require the sitting US administration and US Congress to resign when Constitutional Law is restored. Following completion of the development of the reformations, the Court appointed certain experts and others to a "committee" which has authority to manage the process of announcing and implementing the reformations.

Once the reformations were developed, the Court made half-hearted efforts to implement the reformations through an "Accords" agreement process with the Clinton administration. During that time, very little progress was made to implement the reformations. However quantities of the new US Treasury currency backed by gold were printed and shipped to certain banks in the US where the currency has sat in bank vaults for years awaiting the announcement of the reformations. When NESARA is announced, many more shipments of the new Treasury currency will be shipped to all banks in the US under guard by US military units.

During the years of the Accords process, the Court approved a "claims against the government process" (also known as Farm Claims or Bank Claims) which was meant to provide specific financial redress to Americans, however, various groups and individuals interfered with the claims process.

Finally in 1998, the powerful US military Generals and Admirals consulted with constitutional law experts regarding the lack of progress in getting the much-needed reformations implemented. The Generals, Admirals, and constitutional law experts all knew the US Supreme Court Judges were purposely stalling the reformations process. It was decided that the only other way to accomplish the crucial reformations was to compile all the needed reformations into a law and have the law passed by Congress. The National Economic Security And Reformation Act (NESARA) containing required reformations was submitted to Congress in 1999 where it sat with little action for almost a year. Late one evening in March 2000, a written quorum call was hand-delivered by Delta Force and Navy SEALs to only members of the US Senate and the US House who were sponsors and co-sponsors of NESARA. The members were immediately accompanied by the Delta Force and Navy SEALs to their respective voting chambers where they passed the National Economic Security And Reformation Act.
The National Economic Security And Reformation Act provides the following, some of which will take place immediately after the official announcement of NESARA which is to be televised live from Washington, DC:

1. Restores Constitutional Law in the USA.

2. Requires the current US administration to resign their positions to allow a fresh start at the national level and installs Constitutionally acceptable NESARA President and Vice President Designates until new elections can take place within six months. Bush and Cheney will be resigning and the Cabinet and Appointees by the President, and all members of Congress must resign within 72 hours of NESARA’s announcement.

3. NESARA US President Designate declares "peace" because NESARA abolishes unconstitutional states of emergency.

4. As partial remedy for 100 years of government and banking fraud, credit card balances are zeroed out and bank debt relief is given to Americans for bank loans including mortgages, car loans, education loans, business loans, and other bank debt. Banks will be paid $9000 per each credit card account with a balance; these funds were raised in special revenue generating activities in Europe. NESARA requires other bank debts be made self-liquidating loans and US banks are instructed to use new high revenue generating processes to pay off Americans’ bank loans.

5. Initiates the US Treasury Bank System with new U.S. Treasury currency backed by precious metals. The Federal Reserve is abolished and Federal Reserve facilities and most personnel are absorbed into the Treasury Bank System. We will be exchanging our Federal Reserve notes, which are not backed by gold, for the US Treasury currency which is backed by gold. Many bank personnel have already been trained on NESARA and the new currency is already in some banks’ vaults.

6. Abolishes Income Taxes in US and creates a national sales tax on new, non-essential items as revenue for government. Essential items such as food and medicine, and used items are exempt from the sales tax.

The NESARA law requires that a minimum of one time each year, there must be an effort made to announce NESARA. Three current US Supreme Court judges control the committee in charge of NESARA’s announcement. The Judges have used their overall authority to secretly sabotage NESARA’s announcement; thus each year NESARA has been blocked from being announced.

This is why NESARA has not been announced: the people with the overall authority to order NESARA’s announcement are, in fact, blocking NESARA.

Due to the gag order on NESARA, it is difficult for true NESARA supporters to learn exactly what has happened to stop NESARA from being announced.

Investigating details with hundreds of people has yielded exactly what needs to be done to resolve key issues and bring NESARA to announcement. After learning what the "problems" related to NESARA are, I’ve researched deeply to find the "solutions" and those people who can carry out the solutions and bring NESARA to announcement.

In many ways, our country is facing the worst crisis of its history:

More Americans are unemployed, drowning in debt, and living in poverty than anytime since World War II
Our government irresponsibly races to assume more debt on top of highest historical debts
Our military lose their lives in battles for greedy corporations’ gains
Our elections revolve around lies, bribery, and betrayals.
We do not hear "truth" in our media; the media is controlled by opponents of Americans and America’s Constitutional Law.

Some of our greatest Americans speak the truth of today’s America:

These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Thomas Paine, December 19, 1776

We, the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution. Abraham Lincoln

The cause of America is in a great measure the cause of all mankind. …We have it in our power to begin the world over again. Thomas Paine, Common Sense, 1776

Our Founding Fathers and Abraham Lincoln had true courage. Our Founding Fathers faced the reality of the tyranny by the English Crown and chose to put their lives on the line to gain freedom!


Very hopefull stuff!! They need the Delta Force and Navy SEALs protecting them on this vote... because even presidents who have fought against the federal reserve have been greeted with gunfire.

This stuff you speak of sounds like an inverse patriot act plus some.
 
Stoßtruppe said:
Uh, while I agree, I'll just go as far as stating said peeps need to chillax :D

And like i said, I don't think the world is going to end. But the world is in for some really hard times over the next decade or so.
 
Lot of chicken little's up in this thread.
What we're going through now amounts to a tiny pothole on the super freeway of life.
Thank GOD my fathers generation wasn't a bunch of whiny pussies.
 
nzrodney said:
In my country there has been a National Sales tax of 12% on all items including food & medicines, petrol, services etc. It is called Goods & Services Tax (GST). This has been in place & easily administered by the National Goverment for 20 years.

like i said. . .in MY country there is already a very well established pipeline (in many instances it's perfectly legal too) for acquiring goods and services and avoiding sales tax. . .and try as they might, our 50 states have thus far been powerless to eliminate it. . .sure, they've made some headway, but the opportunity still exists and is utlized regularly by consumers. . .
 
FriendlyCanadian said:
No offense but all you guys who are like, holy fuck I need to seclude myself in solitude and load up with guns and ammo and years supply and food and water because north america is going to end (or the world) in brimstone and chaos and I'll need to kill to survive, are fucking retarded.

I just wanted to throw that out there, YOURE MORONS! the world isn't ending, chill the fuck out.

we are not saying the world is going to end bud, look up the great depression in America, that’s what its going to be like once again, probably worse.

FOOD storage - will keep you away from being in rioting streets and food lines, might be able to camp out at your house for a year or so while the worst parts passes when the dollar crashes and you cant buy or sell anything until they implement the amero and it is up and running.

Guns and ammo – when people come to your house and try to kick your door in to rape your wife and daughter and kill you and take your food you might want a fighting chance. But of course the gov will be going door to door taking your weapons and having a weapons for food trade off so you might have to hand in your guns anyways. And if you don’t give up your weapon you will be shot or taken to the fema camps.

This is of course the worse case scenario but not too far from what might happen very shortly. Not the end of the world, but will be very hard and many will die


guns and ammo
 
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