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footballstud
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The aspirin is a blood thinner- some say you can get the same results without this. The caffeine's benefits have been proven several times to aid in raising metabolism and aid in prolonging muscular endurance, just to name a few. We all know the fat burning properties of Ephedrine.
Caffeine: 200 mgs
Ephedrine: 25 mgs
Aspirin: 81 mgs (baby aspirin)
Take it 3x a day for 2 weeks, then take 2 weeks off
I have also read that Benadryl helps to keep your receptors fresh
Don't be afraid to do a search for plenty more info
Caffeine: 200 mgs
Ephedrine: 25 mgs
Aspirin: 81 mgs (baby aspirin)
Take it 3x a day for 2 weeks, then take 2 weeks off
I have also read that Benadryl helps to keep your receptors fresh
Don't be afraid to do a search for plenty more info
empirebuilder
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I ran this stack two years ago and had really good success. However ephedra is so hard to come by anymore I probably wont be running it again anytime soon. I never used the benadryl with the ECA stack. However it seemed to help quite a bit the last time I ran Clen!
ryno9000
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Can someone tell me why it seems everything "cutting" seems to have to be cycled 2weeks on 2weeks off? Do all cutting chemicals work on the same receptors or something? And if it is receptor saturation, then why do we not cycle steroids 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off?
Man my questions are awesome!
Man my questions are awesome!
wrestlemania100
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take all the pills at the same time
25 mgs ephedrine (i use vaso pro ephedrine) asprin and 200 mgs caffine 3 times a day . morning, pre workout and evening, space atleast 5 hrs apart, clen is to be cycled off after 2 weeks due to beta receptors downgrade, and an additional 2 weeks off after that to clear the receptor, eca hits a diffarent receptor then clen, this will not ware off after 2 weeks, it takes longer but im not surei like to do clen 2 weeks 120mcgs a day 60 split in two doses and eca 2 weeks repete
25 mgs ephedrine (i use vaso pro ephedrine) asprin and 200 mgs caffine 3 times a day . morning, pre workout and evening, space atleast 5 hrs apart, clen is to be cycled off after 2 weeks due to beta receptors downgrade, and an additional 2 weeks off after that to clear the receptor, eca hits a diffarent receptor then clen, this will not ware off after 2 weeks, it takes longer but im not surei like to do clen 2 weeks 120mcgs a day 60 split in two doses and eca 2 weeks repete
you want to avoid 'attenuation' and also suppression of thyroid
i dont get why people use this....not saying that worthless...ive never tried it beacause ive never understand it.
but ive heard that loosing more than 0,7 kg/week would be muscle.
u can loose that much whit a good diet and training, so what do these efedrine, clen and other stacks contribute too that would do the fatloss better?
does it help the body so it never reach plateus in the fatloss or...?
but ive heard that loosing more than 0,7 kg/week would be muscle.
u can loose that much whit a good diet and training, so what do these efedrine, clen and other stacks contribute too that would do the fatloss better?
does it help the body so it never reach plateus in the fatloss or...?
OneBreath
Elite Mentor
In the US you can get it OTC via products for asthma. There are a few of these products that contain ephedrine. You have to go to the drugstore, go back to the pharmacy and ask (they are usually on display behind the counter).
They ask for your drivers license (have to be 18) and they record that you purchased the product. Only 1 package can be sold to a customer at a time.
eliteandy
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Ok. Here is everything i know on clen and ephedrine. Clen hits beta 2 receptors more specifically than Ephedrine does. Look at EPH bein a sledge hammer (its hitting beta 2 and 3 receptors which are fat and muscle) and clen being a tack hammer (more specific to Beta 2). Now with that being said. Your organs are also surrounded by fat, and cycling off clen is a good idea for two reasons: to allow your beta 2 receptors to upreg and allow the "good fats" surrounding your organs to re-deposit or to ensure your not "burning" too much of said fat as this can be bad for you lol. Not to mention it gives your heart a break!
The caffine is a delivery system (so to speak) for the EPH and the asprin is to help that delivery by thinning the blood(everything you put in your mouth and swallow ends up in the blood stream). As for the benadryl I havent read into it that much but i can say it does work(at least for me). I've been on ECA for about 3-4 weeks with Benadryl before bed and the sides (even at 32 mg, 3X day) are still there.
As far as i know there are two different "types" of ephedrine out. One is HCL the other is HYDROCLHORIDE. Basically those two things are salts (or whatever) that make the EPH easier to absorb in the stomach. There is NO real difference between the two. HCL is like 21 mg EPH by weight vs 19.5 mg with the hydrochloride version. Again, no real difference!
Ephedra NOT ephedrine is illigal. You may purchase a certain quanity of ephedrine within a certain time frame. If a mod chimes in and says its ok i will post every link i have to websites and where i found it to be the cheapest. Again, WITH A MODS APPROVAL! If i were someone that has never ran either i would honestly go with Omegas plan!
Now why fat burners are cycled 2 weeks and steroids are not. Comparing these two things is apples and oranges.
It has been a while since ive researched any of this so its all from memory. Also I AM NOT a lawyer, so check then double check the laws on EPH before you purchase it!
The caffine is a delivery system (so to speak) for the EPH and the asprin is to help that delivery by thinning the blood(everything you put in your mouth and swallow ends up in the blood stream). As for the benadryl I havent read into it that much but i can say it does work(at least for me). I've been on ECA for about 3-4 weeks with Benadryl before bed and the sides (even at 32 mg, 3X day) are still there.
As far as i know there are two different "types" of ephedrine out. One is HCL the other is HYDROCLHORIDE. Basically those two things are salts (or whatever) that make the EPH easier to absorb in the stomach. There is NO real difference between the two. HCL is like 21 mg EPH by weight vs 19.5 mg with the hydrochloride version. Again, no real difference!
Ephedra NOT ephedrine is illigal. You may purchase a certain quanity of ephedrine within a certain time frame. If a mod chimes in and says its ok i will post every link i have to websites and where i found it to be the cheapest. Again, WITH A MODS APPROVAL! If i were someone that has never ran either i would honestly go with Omegas plan!
Now why fat burners are cycled 2 weeks and steroids are not. Comparing these two things is apples and oranges.
It has been a while since ive researched any of this so its all from memory. Also I AM NOT a lawyer, so check then double check the laws on EPH before you purchase it!
ConanX
Banned
I recently used an ECA stack for about 8 weeks straight. 4 daily doses for about 5 weeks, then week 5-8 was 5 doses (125mg Ephedrine). I saw great fatburning every week I was on it and the energy was insane. Sides weren't really too bad, but with the mix of EQ, I got worried about my heart and stopped. I'm taking a break now and will probably just try clen or a liposhred stack next to try something else, but ECA works nicely with very little sides. Best part is, you go to your local pharmacy and buy it. It's called Bronkaid. Buy the caffeine pills and aspirin at the same place too. Some supp stores sell it as Vasopro. I can never tell the difference between Bronkaid and Vasopro.
I like the stuff a lot and use it pre-workout too for the extra energy. You sweat like crazy and just have insane energy all day long.
I like the stuff a lot and use it pre-workout too for the extra energy. You sweat like crazy and just have insane energy all day long.
ryno9000
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This was a great post, thanks for the info!
Only thing though, just so you and others know...HCL IS Hydrochloride. Its the same thing.
Epherdrine is legal...in Canada...if I'm not mistaken....I know there was a lot of controvery about it inthe US lately, haven't really followed it very closely...used to take it, gave sick energy and could get a lot of cardio and mma done on it....but then it started getting bad for my blood pressure (genetically i have high BP) so i stopped it...
eliteandy
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Shit. Im sorry, you're correct. The other is sulfate. I must've had hydrochloride on the brain lol.
sonicwaste
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Not so... I am about 8 weeks in the a cut cylce. Going back and forth between lipostack and ecay... I am down total of 6%bf and up 5lbs.
ryno9000
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What AAS are you using and how much cardio are you doing? Those are BADASS results you got
sonicwaste
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Yeah, I'm quite impressed with myself at this point. My fat loss started off pretty slow and I was pretty freaked out. But the fat started to come off faster and faster, and I was staying at the same overall weight. Bodyfat kept dropping and I started to gain weight. Got the omega pamphlet and have gone into overdrive as of lately.
Cycle started as Test Prop/Anavar 6 weeks. Then I cut the anavar, kept the prop and added beastdrol and tren tfo.
Supps are as follows:
ECAY or Lipoflame/Lipostim/Yohimbine
Dermatherm
R-ala
Sesapure
Amp02
Raw MCC
Glutamine.
Prior to this cycle, my last was in 2003 or 2004. When I stopped around that time my LBM was 185lbs. My LBM as of right now is 173lbs. I definitely attribute a great deal of my results to muscle memory, it has to be a large factor. I quit working out in 2005 and started lifting hard again at the end of 2008. Decided to re-plunge into AAS, and it has been good for me so far.
sonicwaste
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ah, i forgot about cardio.
Cardio varies for me depending on day.
Upper body workout days: 18 minutes of HIT preworkout, 12 minutes at 2.5mph 15* incline post workout
Leg Days: sometimes no cardio, sometimes 12 mintes at 2.5mph 15* incline postworkout
Off days: empty stomach am cardio 1 hour @ 2.5mph 15*-30* incline. I start at 15* increase incline every 5 minutes until i get to 30* for 5 minutes. Then back down to 15* then alternate up and down between 2.5-3.5mph in 2 minute intervals.
Some upper body days I will do 15-20 minutes 2.5mph 15* incline in the morning, only if I am working out at night. And I'll still do the 12 minutes of HIT preworkout.
Cardio varies for me depending on day.
Upper body workout days: 18 minutes of HIT preworkout, 12 minutes at 2.5mph 15* incline post workout
Leg Days: sometimes no cardio, sometimes 12 mintes at 2.5mph 15* incline postworkout
Off days: empty stomach am cardio 1 hour @ 2.5mph 15*-30* incline. I start at 15* increase incline every 5 minutes until i get to 30* for 5 minutes. Then back down to 15* then alternate up and down between 2.5-3.5mph in 2 minute intervals.
Some upper body days I will do 15-20 minutes 2.5mph 15* incline in the morning, only if I am working out at night. And I'll still do the 12 minutes of HIT preworkout.
eliteandy
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Thats a hell of a cardio regiment! I need to step up my game!
gear63
Banned
Ephedrine will not diminish muscle because it does not have the ability to burn anything but fat, also the aspirin and caffeine act to keep certain hormones/enzymes from targeting the receptors and downgrading them , so they boost the effects of ephedrine that's what ive concluded from research anyway the ephedrine becomes epinephrine after digestion, also the sulfate version is stronger but bronkaid (HCL) works great and is easier to find, my GF dropped 12 lbs in 6 weeks only taking 50mg a day mixed with coffee only
Sorry I'm late to the party, but there are clinical studies that show that ephedrine + caffeine work for fat-loss and have a synergistic effect together:
Ephedrine benefits (also got some store price comparisons there)
Most experienced people stack 200mg caffeine with 25mg ephedrine (not sure about aspirin dosage or if it's really needed)... but you might want to start with 100mg caffeine and 8mg ephedrine and move up slowly.
The reason it's a pain to buy and you need to prove your ID is because it can be used to manufacture meth. So you can't buy a ton and you WILL be tracked the the feds.
Ephedrine benefits (also got some store price comparisons there)
Most experienced people stack 200mg caffeine with 25mg ephedrine (not sure about aspirin dosage or if it's really needed)... but you might want to start with 100mg caffeine and 8mg ephedrine and move up slowly.
The reason it's a pain to buy and you need to prove your ID is because it can be used to manufacture meth. So you can't buy a ton and you WILL be tracked the the feds.
footballstud
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Everytime I buy eph (usually from a gas station), I have to show ID, fill out a sheet stating address and how much was purchased. The store selling it keeps that sheet for their records, as to show they are selling them in small amounts, in case they are questioned by the FDA.
I HIGHLY doubt your info goes straight to the feds, although it is possible. The personal information is just proof that the product isn't sold in bulk amounts.
Looks like you're right. My bad. Here's a Vermont law that talks about it.
http://healthvermont.gov/adap/meth/documents/RetailRefFinal.pdf
Sounds like Feds won't get involved unless someone gets busted with a meth lab and it traces back to you.
Pinkbullie
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Hello
Im new to the whole forum thing so im sorry if im posting in the wrong place!!
Im a female looking to loose some weight after a 2year rest period!! (having babies)
Before my pregnancy i was using Epherdrine alone with caffine drinks and had dramatic results!!
I have now started again on epherdrine 30mg but am wanting to combine it with 200mg caffine tablets and asprin. I was wondering if combineing the caffine and asprin will give me better results?
Im not wanting to become an athelete or body builder, i am just looking to shift the flab!!
Also......... could anyone recommend a good diet to follow and workout routine!!
Im new to the whole forum thing so im sorry if im posting in the wrong place!!
Im a female looking to loose some weight after a 2year rest period!! (having babies)
Before my pregnancy i was using Epherdrine alone with caffine drinks and had dramatic results!!
I have now started again on epherdrine 30mg but am wanting to combine it with 200mg caffine tablets and asprin. I was wondering if combineing the caffine and asprin will give me better results?
Im not wanting to become an athelete or body builder, i am just looking to shift the flab!!
Also......... could anyone recommend a good diet to follow and workout routine!!
please start a thread in the diet section of the forum
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=5
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