ECA, CLA and creatine advice?

[adammiller03]

Hey would like some critique on the effectivness of this for trimming down.

8:00am ECA
8:30am Breakfast + CLA
10:30am protein shake
12:30pm lunch + CLA
3:00pm protein shake or bar
4:00pm ECA
6:00pm Diner + CLA
7:00pm pre-workout bananna smoothie
workout
8:00pm creatine

i know it is a very basic outline, just wondering if with a good diet the supplements will be effective taken like this. Should i be having a post workout shake? and when before creatine or after?

 

[Y_lifter]

Being a newbie to the world of Creatine, I just discovered first hand that you are likely to gain water weight if you take too much daily. I started on Monday loading with 5 grams 3 times a day for 2 days, then cut back to 5 grams twice a day until today. And I was drinking tons of water as suggested.

When I checked the scales on Tuesday and again Today, I had jumped from 190lbs to 194 from the water gain due to the creatine.

So now I am going to try taking smaller doses more times per day to limit the water weight gain as that isn't my goal. Some people like creatine due to it making the muscle volume fuller due to the water. I want to limit that.

1/2 or 1 gram taken 6 times a day is my plan.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

ECA only 2 times a day? What is your doseing like?

 

[adammiller03]

ECA only 2 times a day? What is your doseing like?

E-16mg C-200mg A-243mg

this is what i was advised to take by the guy at SND 3 times a day and i was feeling pretty messed up. possibly didnt eat enough that day? should i be able to take 3 times a day? was also advised to cycle 1 week on 1 week off.. yes? no?

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Ive never ran an ECA stack before...but I just started a cycle 6 days ago. I am taking it 3 times a day, each serving being E-25mg C-200mg A-100mg. I dont get jitters, shakes, over sweating, or anything. I sometimes get a few warm flashes but I dont get ANY of those other sides that everyone talks about. The first day I had a little anxiety in my stomach but since then I havent gotten any sides at all, even on an empty stomach (Im starting to think Im some kind of freak because I never get the sides of anything lol). I dont think you need that much asprin unless your highly obese, too much asprin isnt good. I think the baby asprin (81mg) to 100mg is probably best. I wouldnt cycle weekly, ECA accually works best as time goes on, but it is true you will become used to it an need time off. Id either go 5 days on then 2 days off, or just use it everyday for 12 weeks then take a month off. Id take a serving when first waking, then spread the other 2 doses out about every 3 1/2 to 4 hours. If your day is short just spread them out every 3 hours or so. Id add a little more E also. 75mgs is the "safety line" but some studies accually ran 150mgs per day for their studies and found it works very effectively, but it was also ran on people that were only dieting not working out hard. Either way, I think you need a little more E to be at its optimum potential, 75mgs a day-3 servings spread out.

Just some thoughts and suggestions.

-Legacy

PS: I also think you should take the creatine 30mins pre workout, or mix it during workout and drink it though the workout, or split it up pre and post workout. It helps muscle fatigue during your workout work so you can squeeze out those last reps easier.

 

[adammiller03]

ya maybe i will step up the epedrine to 24mg and drop the asprin. i did a little bit of research online and it looks like most people are taking it that way. I'll try to step it up to 3 times a day again and see what happens. maybe was feeling weird due to too much asprin?

If i am taking creatine and caffiene wont the effects cancel each other out? if they do is there a point to the creatine? I am eating fruit before workouts right now for energy and it seems to be helping.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

The creatine will help with muscle fatigue, you may not see "size" gains as much, but thats normally all water anyways. Good creatine will help with recovery time and soreness anyways, Id keep taking it, I take PureCEE still.

I still take small amounts of asprin because it thins the blood a little so it should help with not making the raised blood pressure get to extreme levels if your working out hard. Also it helps block the production of some enzymes that make the body try to hold onto fat. The only thing is, you dont need 300mgs a serving, 81 to 100mgs is fine.



-Legacy

 

[adammiller03]

ok so now i am going to try E-24mg C-200mg and A-81mg 3 times a day about an 30 min-1hr before breakfast lunch and diner. then CLA with those meals and creatine in my shake before and after workout.

sound about right?

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Sounds good!

Good Luck!

-Legacy

PS: Any more questions feel free to ask...