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theprofessor
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not nececarily...Boardin087 said:
do a drop set off of your one-rep max with a three rep weight for a single or two... and then drop down to a 5-rep weight...
..in one set of course...
Drop sets..
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do a drop set off of your one-rep max with a three rep weight for a single or two... and then drop down to a 5-rep weight...
..in one set of course...
Guinness5.0
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timtim-
You are absolutely right that I am drawing some potentially hasty conclusions. I really have no direct experience with this. I am basing my comments on speculation. But the thing I still hold to is this: assuming healthy, 'normal' fascia (not excessice scar tissue, minimal twisting, etc.) that they will not hinder growth.
Would you say that qualifying my thoughts as I have above is still off base? If so, I would like to know how that would be (not trying to call you out - I seriously can't grasp how this could possibly happen assuming 'normalcy'). I just can't see how an otherwise pliable part of the anatomy would just refuse to budge in the face of growth at the molecular level. I mean, it 'gives' enough to allow for the pump, so how could it just clamp down and not allow growth?
Perhaps we are discussing two totally different aspects of this, and this thread is now just a big semantic clusterfuck
PS come on down to the training forum some time. Thare are lots of us who are in to periodization and it would be great to have another regular who knows their shit.
You are absolutely right that I am drawing some potentially hasty conclusions. I really have no direct experience with this. I am basing my comments on speculation. But the thing I still hold to is this: assuming healthy, 'normal' fascia (not excessice scar tissue, minimal twisting, etc.) that they will not hinder growth.
Would you say that qualifying my thoughts as I have above is still off base? If so, I would like to know how that would be (not trying to call you out - I seriously can't grasp how this could possibly happen assuming 'normalcy'). I just can't see how an otherwise pliable part of the anatomy would just refuse to budge in the face of growth at the molecular level. I mean, it 'gives' enough to allow for the pump, so how could it just clamp down and not allow growth?
Perhaps we are discussing two totally different aspects of this, and this thread is now just a big semantic clusterfuck
PS come on down to the training forum some time. Thare are lots of us who are in to periodization and it would be great to have another regular who knows their shit.
mikefear
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lol, my post wasnt meant to discuss the pump. i simply said that i got mad pumps from dropsets. 
i use them because I can get more volume in ... lets say I do X weight for 10 reps, X weight for 8 reps and X weight for 8 reps again.. why stop there? i got my 3rd and final set, so then i add even more until the point of failure. voila, more volume.
i use them because I can get more volume in ... lets say I do X weight for 10 reps, X weight for 8 reps and X weight for 8 reps again.. why stop there? i got my 3rd and final set, so then i add even more until the point of failure. voila, more volume.
guinness, it might be helpful to think of it not so much as because the fascia are a hindrance but creating a fast lane so that the glycogen and O2 have an easier time getting there. Same as making a pizza or apple pie: your going to give the dough a few whacks to make the glutens more malleable. This allows air to penetrate easier and you don't end up with something flat and rock hard.
al420
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mikefear said:lol, my post wasnt meant to discuss the pump. i simply said that i got mad pumps from dropsets.
i use them because I can get more volume in ... lets say I do X weight for 10 reps, X weight for 8 reps and X weight for 8 reps again.. why stop there? i got my 3rd and final set, so then i add even more until the point of failure. voila, more volume.
W/ no weight - no thanks
macrophage69alpha
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the reason that you feel the pain of the "pump" to a great extent is the limiting restriction of the fascia.
its true that the muscle fascia will allow for a decent amount of growth, usually (there are exceptions and huge number of indvidual ones). But individual elacticity of the fascia varies, if its not particularly elastic it often requires tearing for growth past a certain point.
pumping allows for greater fascial stretching, allowing for the muscle to have room to grow. this is not always sufficient and further means may be neccesary (active release, deep tissue massage, and even tearing of the fascia). the more flexible the fascia the greater the pump failure point (where pump no longer allows for significant contraction) allowing for greater load and volume before reaching "pump" related failure.
heavy training can also stretch and tear the fascia, but it can also stretch and tear muscles, ligaments and tendons. These sub structures, depending on the person, may be outstripped by muscular and CNS strength. So some people can train super heavy and make great gains without injury and some cant. Some people are "blessed" with great tendons and ligaments, some arent. Just like some people have great fascial elacticity and some dont.
basically training reccomendations are just that reccomendations, what is great for someone else is not necessarily great for you. But to look at one method as the method is to discount much knowledge that is of value and could be of great benefit to you.
its true that the muscle fascia will allow for a decent amount of growth, usually (there are exceptions and huge number of indvidual ones). But individual elacticity of the fascia varies, if its not particularly elastic it often requires tearing for growth past a certain point.
pumping allows for greater fascial stretching, allowing for the muscle to have room to grow. this is not always sufficient and further means may be neccesary (active release, deep tissue massage, and even tearing of the fascia). the more flexible the fascia the greater the pump failure point (where pump no longer allows for significant contraction) allowing for greater load and volume before reaching "pump" related failure.
heavy training can also stretch and tear the fascia, but it can also stretch and tear muscles, ligaments and tendons. These sub structures, depending on the person, may be outstripped by muscular and CNS strength. So some people can train super heavy and make great gains without injury and some cant. Some people are "blessed" with great tendons and ligaments, some arent. Just like some people have great fascial elacticity and some dont.
basically training reccomendations are just that reccomendations, what is great for someone else is not necessarily great for you. But to look at one method as the method is to discount much knowledge that is of value and could be of great benefit to you.
macrophage69alpha
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as a note- there is a certain appeal to seeing the bar bend from the weight on it. But its not for everyone and after a time many people just cant do it anymore, they just arent "made" for it. Some people can. Most cant.
FInd what works best for you, but dont discount other methods and training styles. Incorporating them to some extent often can yield very pleasing results.
JMHO
btw- farmers walk is great (and generally well tolerated by anyone)
FInd what works best for you, but dont discount other methods and training styles. Incorporating them to some extent often can yield very pleasing results.
JMHO
btw- farmers walk is great (and generally well tolerated by anyone)
silver_shadow
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i believe that it was said something more like: "everybody wants to be a bodybuilder but ain't no one wanna lift heavy ass weights" - R Coleman.al420 said:
