Don't lift HEAVY anymore!!

[gmanlax7]

amen to that, i work in the kitchen of a nursing home, and compared to the lives those poor old folks live, i would welcome my heart stopping while doing deads

 

[Hannibal]

Gotta die some way, I'ld rather go out squatting a grand, than die on a tred mill or in some diapers some where.

Trample the weak, hurdle the dead...

 

[Rich_S]

My grandfather used to eat lard smeared on bread (it's a German thing), smoked 2 packs of unfiltered Camels per day, and drank a 6 pack of beer and half a bottle of whiskey per day. He lived to be 86. It's all genetic. If you're hardwired to live long, you will regardless of what you do, if not, then you die in your 40's like like these genetic defects did regardless of how well you take care of yourself.

 

[R CRUSHER]

DR.SLOE ~ "im so tired of sum research mutha fuckas doing studies n shit...........one mutha fucka dies n shit blame it on the weights..........a couple of fatass not in shape for trainin' camp mutha fuckas die...........blame it on mutha fuckin' ephedrine.........next it will be creatine
"


:mp5:BOOM BOOM BOOM ON YOUR PUNK ASS...BITCH

 

[spatts]

* PICS FROM TONIGHT'S "WSJ" WORKOUT *

 

[Citruscide]

DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

C-ditty

 

[JOKER47]

They should state it wasn't the lifting that killed him, it was the aneurysm in his aorta that killed him. Dumbasses......


Joker

 

[guldukat]

Moderator Pinhead,

This isn't directed at you, but this is what I'd say if I could talk to the author of that article.

As a fitness trainer and health fanatic, Michael Logan knew that weight lifting could strengthen his bones and protect his heart.

"Weight lifting" is a tell-tale description that we're reading the work of someone who has a poor understanding of what weight-training means.

Weight LIFTING is an Olympic sport. How can someone who gets such a clear distinction wrong be right about...oh, anything else?

I mean, really...how many people have asked anyone here, "Are you a weight lifter?" "No," I'd say. "I'm a bodybuilder."

What he didn't know was that it could be lethal. Logan had a bulge in his primary artery, the aorta. Knowledge of that bulge, or aneurysm, would have prompted doctors to allow only light-weight lifting. But like the vast majority of people with aneurysms, Logan didn't know he had one.

Genetics. Plenty of guys his age and far older train heavy--Dave Draper, Robby Robinson anyone?--and they haven't dropped dead.

Next...

So he continued heavy-weight lifting — until an aortic aneurysm killed him last June at age 46.

"It's very surprising that something he did for his health might have hurt him," says Mike Logan, the late Chicago trainer's son.

In a nation obsessed with looks and fitness, weight lifting is the latest workout craze.

It is? Funny, I thought the popularity of resistance training soared in the early eighties. Oh well...

Recent studies have shown that lifting can lower blood pressure, combat diabetes and strengthen bones. Bookstore shelves are teeming with new fitness tomes touting weight lifting. Over the three years ended in 2001, participation in weight lifting in the U.S. has risen 12 percent — while aerobic exercise declined 2 percent, according to American Sports Data Inc.

Yep. Thank God for that. Typical "aerobics" have ruined more knees and hips than "weight lifting" will EVER cause aneuyrisms.

Now, however, a small but growing number of researchers are raising concerns about the safety of lifting heavy weights. Such lifting can trigger strokes and aneurysms, and perhaps even cause a highly fatal arterial disease called dissection, believe doctors at prominent health centers such as Yale University School of Medicine and the Stanford University Medical Center.

Aneurysms alone kill 32,000 Americans a year, making them as big a killer as prostate cancer, and a more common killer than brain cancer or AIDS.

Which only demonstrates conclusively that people who have a genetic predisposition toward such disease are the only people that need worry about lifting facilitating further problems. The rest of us? Lift "heavy" (whatever that means...the stupid author of the piece leaves that poorly defined).

Especially vulnerable to aneurysm and other arterial conditions are senior citizens — a group that has been urged to take advantage of the bone-strengthening effects of weight lifting.

And just how many old farts are encouraged to "lift heavy"?

...?

Not many that I've seen. Progressively, yes, but I'd hardly call doing ten super-slow reps to near failure "heavy." The author of the article's point falls flat here in that he failed to define what he was talking about!

Aneurysm experts express little concern about moderate- to light-weight lifting. Some define light as an amount that can be lifted 60 times, in four sets of 15. A leading aneurysm researcher and surgeon, John Elefteriades of the Yale University School of Medicine, recommends that people older than 40 bench-press no more than half their body weight. Equally important is breathing regularly during exercise to minimize spikes in blood pressure.

So if someone weighs 300 lbs. in the offseason, like Don Youngblood, he's supposed to "bench-press" (note the funny hyphen) ONE HUNDRED FIFTY POUNDS and no more, lest he suffer an aneurysm?

I bet this Dr. Elefteriades has never even SEEN a weight room.

Aneurysms aren't the only concern for heavy-weight lifters. Vascular experts say it can induce stroke as well as dissection, in which the inner lining of the aortic artery separates from the outer walls.

Heavy-weight lifting can spike blood pressure to dangerous heights. In maximum-effort lifting, which pits a participant against the most weight he can hoist one time, studies have shown that blood pressure rises to as high as 370/360 from a resting rate of 130/80.

More of these "studies," which I have an inherent distrust in. What kind of shape were the subjects in?

An M.D. does not make someone omniscient. Oftentimes it means just the opposite, IMO...many medical professionals have a VERY hard time "thinking outside the box." They're so enamored with the procedure of carrying out studies, they ignore the context of those studies as they apply to NORMAL people.

Many medical professionals also seem to have a serious axe to grind with anything weight training related. Remember how, for decades, the medical community SWORE up and down that steroids were just placebos?!

Conventional blood-pressure monitors can't even measure levels higher than 300. "At that level, nobody would be surprised if you had a stroke," says Franz Messerli, a hypertension specialist at the Ochsner Clinic Foundation in New Orleans.

It's odd that guys who ran through Arthur Jones' "gauntlet workout," a whole body workout of about two sets/bodypart to total failure, each exercise back to back, registered BPs in the range of 220 bpm max. Casey Viator registered such a blood pressure right after one of his workouts with Jones, and at that time (mid seventies), Casey wasn't the healthiest cuss...he ate lots of junk and supposedly smoked cigarettes, too--both of which should make him a PRIME candidate for an even higher BP.

It doesn't GET any harder than the Gauntlet. Whatever this article refers to is probably bogus...a BP of over 300 from one REP is the stuff fantasies are made of.

John Robertson witnessed just such an event one day when he was lifting weights as a medical student. Lifting beside Robertson was a fellow medical student who suddenly keeled over backward. A vessel in his brain had ruptured. The student was rushed to the hospital and survived.

"During the time that you're lifting, the pressure on the artery wall is intense," says Robertson, chief of thoracic and cardiovascular surgery at St. John's Health Center in Santa Monica, Calif.

I wonder if Mr. Robertson's buddy was predisposed to such problems?

Of course, the article ignores that altogether...better to just blame "weight lifting."

Doctors have long suspected that the steep blood-pressure spikes arising from heavy-weight lifting could trigger ruptures of already weakened vessels. Now, suspicion is growing that such lifting can damage healthy vessels. Yale's Elefteriades has shown in a lab experiment that intense pressure can induce dissection, often requiring emergency open-heart surgery.

Dissection typically occurs in older adults, or those who have a family history or who suffer from a syndrome called Marfan's disease. Yet Elefteriades has treated two young dissection victims who had none of the traditional risk factors but who were heavy-weight lifters.

And what were THEY doing that might've elevated blood pressure? What were their diets like?

Hmm..."heavy weight lifters" sounds like this guy's nomenclature for a heavy juicer who eats everything in sight. If that was the case, no WONDER they were "victims"...steroids are far from the demons lots make them out to be, but no, they ain't exactly GOOD far ya in the long run!

Similarly, a study conducted at Los Angeles County Harbor-UCLA Medical Center profiled four men (aged 22, 34, 37 and 57) who entered the emergency room suffering dissection — all heavy-weight lifters. Steriod use may increase the risk.

DUH!

One option for anyone older than 60 or with a family history of aneurysms or dissection is to get scanned before starting a lifting program. Most aneurysms and dissections can be detected by CT scans. Also, an inexpensive ultrasound test can detect the abdominal aortic aneurysm, which ranks as the nation's 13th-leading cause of death.

I'll be sure to tell all of the long-lived, healthy lifters I've known about this...I'm sure they'll be concerned when they hear they've been putting themselves at extreme risk when they flat benched "more than half their bodyweight"


As far as I'm concerned, "The Journal"--hell, most publications--flat out sucks. They should stick to their voodoo game in failing to predict trends in the stock market and, where health is concerned, take a healthy dose of Shut The Fuck Up (tm).

 

[gmanlax7]

moderator pinhead .. .hahahaha

 

[Dirty Workout]

Re: * PICS FROM TONIGHT'S "WSJ" WORKOUT *

Those things can really give a great burn if you get your form right LOL