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doesn't it seem like juicing leads...

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...to using a lot of drugs?
acne drugs
hairloss drugs
drugs to make your dick work
drugs to make your tits not grow
drugs to get outta bed
drugs to get to bed

seems like a spiral into abuse...wether this is destructive or not i dunno, but i'm concerned about this (for myself)
your thoughts?
 
bw1 said:
If that's you in your avi, all they drugs in the world won't help you now:)

natty gains fuggin suck, esp after 10 yrs
i'm on a 2 yr platuea
 
Gambino said:
i wonder if you return back to your natty size once you finally quit


Probably eventually. I guess if you kept training non stop with no breaks and a great diet, but everyone slips up everyone now and then and slacks for a month or two at least and then I bet you'd lose it and need another cycle
 
chewyxrage said:
Probably eventually. I guess if you kept training non stop with no breaks and a great diet, but everyone slips up everyone now and then and slacks for a month or two at least and then I bet you'd lose it and need another cycle
i wonder how peeps like ronnie or jay keep from getting injured
moving all that weight, their bodies were never meant to be that huge...you think they'd destroy their tendons, knees, and rotator cuffs
 
Gambino said:
i wonder how peeps like ronnie or jay keep from getting injured
moving all that weight, their bodies were never meant to be that huge...you think they'd destroy their tendons, knees, and rotator cuffs

Who says they didn't ?

Add Pain meds to your list.
 
Drugs to increase # of muscle cells
Drugs to increase ball size
Drugs to get your Thyroid kicking
Drugs to make you look tan
Drugs to help you fall asleep
Drugs for recreation...........

Holy cow! You are right!!
 
2 year plateau? i'm sure you've heard DIET a million times...that wasn't it?

have you gotten stronger in that time? were you fucked by injuries?
 
Y_lifter said:
Who says they didn't ?

Add Pain meds to your list.
well, the are able to enter contest year in and out
and also add anti-es
 
its a valid point.


Imo -its why I push short cycles......


everything else being equal - you get sides from:

1 - long acting esters.....the sohorter the ester the higher the anabolic:androgenic ratio

2 - just staying on too long



if you hit fast acting esters, front load and get off in 2 weeks......stay of for 4 weeks, repeat - you will get fantastic results with a fraction of the sides.
 
jackangel said:
2 year plateau? i'm sure you've heard DIET a million times...that wasn't it?

have you gotten stronger in that time? were you fucked by injuries?
nah bro, i never diet, no need.
2 year plateau for overall mass...i still make small gains strength wise if i get after it consistently...a little time off fucks me.
and i did break my foot in 2004, which put me down for about 10 months
 
YES a major spiral down! But at least you know about it now.


Gambino said:
...to using a lot of drugs?
acne drugs
hairloss drugs
drugs to make your dick work
drugs to make your tits not grow
drugs to get outta bed
drugs to get to bed

seems like a spiral into abuse...wether this is destructive or not i dunno, but i'm concerned about this (for myself)
your thoughts?
 
jackangel said:
you never diet? either that's a joke, or uh...well, i'm not talking about dieting.

never mind.

quick, 1 + 1 = ?
diet meaning trying to lose weight via healthy foods/exercise.
the word has different meaning on here i guess, here dieting can equal bulking.
i guess i don't eat enough, though i eat a sheetload and all my friends can attest to that
i just naturally stay 190ish
 
Gambino said:
nah bro, i never diet, no need.
2 year plateau for overall mass...i still make small gains strength wise if i get after it consistently...a little time off fucks me.
and i did break my foot in 2004, which put me down for about 10 months


You don't aim for a protein goal each day or anything?

Noob
 
Gambino said:
diet meaning trying to lose weight via healthy foods/exercise.
the word has different meaning on here i guess, here dieting can equal bulking.
i guess i don't eat enough, though i eat a sheetload and all my friends can attest to that
i just naturally stay 190ish

I bet if you started to consistently hit 300 grams of pro per day you'd spark some new growth
 
The Shadow said:
its a valid point.


Imo -its why I push short cycles......


everything else being equal - you get sides from:

1 - long acting esters.....the sohorter the ester the higher the anabolic:androgenic ratio

2 - just staying on too long



if you hit fast acting esters, front load and get off in 2 weeks......stay of for 4 weeks, repeat - you will get fantastic results with a fraction of the sides.

Please teach this doomass (me). Last thing I did was sust and deca and the wang piece is barely back to normal. Almost. Everything else was fine, gains, all that kept aside from a little water weight lost, but that doesn't count.
 
This isn't going to be a popular response but here it goes.

That seems so EXPENSIVE. Men can look so beautiful without the roids and the roids sometimes have unattractive side effects. Plus the health risks. Why bother?
 
heatherrae said:
This isn't going to be a popular response but here it goes.

That seems so EXPENSIVE. Men can look so beautiful without the roids and the roids sometimes have unattractive side effects. Plus the health risks. Why bother?
Duh, so you can exceed your genetic limits. Why do women get breast implants? :)
 
Gambino said:
...to using a lot of drugs?
acne drugs - no
hairloss drugs - no
drugs to make your dick work - no
drugs to make your tits not grow - yes
drugs to get outta bed - no
drugs to get to bed - no

seems like a spiral into abuse...wether this is destructive or not i dunno, but i'm concerned about this (for myself)
your thoughts?

I juice a lot and here are my answers. steroids rule
 
Gambinii:

you're right, but you cant just think of it as "I'm going to do a steroid."
Rather it's "I'm going to do a cycle".

That cycle MAY need to include all the stuff you said depending on your reaction to juice.

BUT.... once you finish your cycle and do a proper post-cycle, you dont need to do any drugs..... until the next cycle :evil:


p.s. eventually you'll be psychologically addicted and never come off, and then life is a series of cycles just varying cutting/bulking/maintenence type drugs :D
 
javaguru said:
Duh, so you can exceed your genetic limits. Why do women get breast implants? :)
you are natural, right?

I just think men are beautiful within their natural limits. I don't know. Breast implants don't have the terrible sides or health risks. There was a scare several years ago, but that was with the silicone ones and I think it was pretty much made up for a class action suit.
 
heatherrae said:
you are natural, right?

I just think men are beautiful within their natural limits. I don't know. Breast implants don't have the terrible sides or health risks. There was a scare several years ago, but that was with the silicone ones and I think it was pretty much made up for a class action suit.
I have been for years but I did juice at one point, I was 265-270 at my largest.
 
Gambino said:
...to using a lot of drugs?
acne drugs
hairloss drugs
drugs to make your dick work
drugs to make your tits not grow
drugs to get outta bed
drugs to get to bed

seems like a spiral into abuse...wether this is destructive or not i dunno, but i'm concerned about this (for myself)
your thoughts?
dont worry about it bro.they got all you need right here.
http://www.customcapsule.com/
and here
http://www.primordialperformance.com/
 
The Shadow said:
its a valid point.


Imo -its why I push short cycles......


everything else being equal - you get sides from:

1 - long acting esters.....the sohorter the ester the higher the anabolic:androgenic ratio

2 - just staying on too long



if you hit fast acting esters, front load and get off in 2 weeks......stay of for 4 weeks, repeat - you will get fantastic results with a fraction of the sides.

Nelson Montana?

Is that you?
 
chewyxrage said:
You don't aim for a protein goal each day or anything?

Noob
i've been buying powdered protein for close to 10 yrs know bro
i'd say about 200-220 gms everyday
 
jh1 said:
Nelson Montana?

Is that you?
Dan Duchaine was the first person I read that proposed short cycles, must have been around 1993-1994. That's what I followed, I gained 12 pounds in two weeks using three amps of sten a week for two weeks on my first cycle. :)
 
heather, what you don't realize hon is that alot of the guys you think are natural, because they're not hulking monsters, are in fact alot of times using some form of anabolic steroid or fat burner like clen. I know so many suits that juice, and you'd never know it!
 
redsamurai said:
heather, what you don't realize hon is that alot of the guys you think are natural, because they're not hulking monsters, are in fact alot of times using some form of anabolic steroid or fat burner like clen. I know so many suits that juice, and you'd never know it!
Yeah, no doubt. I'm not stereotyping. I just see beautiful natural guys and think they are stunning. That's all. I just hate to see anyone go to so much risk when they don't realize how beautiful they already are. That's all.
 
heatherrae said:
Yeah, no doubt. I'm not stereotyping. I just see beautiful natural guys and think they are stunning. That's all. I just hate to see anyone go to so much risk when they don't realize how beautiful they already are. That's all.
stfu and juice already nancy drew
 
Gambino said:
stfu and juice already nancy drew
lol...god, I wonder what sort of baby I would have if I juiced while pregnant. They would probably tell me to push and I would shoot the thing across the room. lol.
 
i wonder if you return back to your natty size once you finally quit

Not if you keep training hard. I havent juiced in 4 years, I kept all of my gains and strength. You lose some gains immediatly after, but you retain most. I keep training hard and consistent, yeah sometimes I might take a week off but thats fine.

What MAva said is right, you will eventually always want to juice because of the progress that you get when your on is soooo much better than natural no matter how much protein you take in. I wish I still could juice, but due to health reasons(1kidney) I cant.
 
9/10 times its the painkillers that gets them in the end (of course until late 40s/50s where the heart gives out).
 
heatherrae said:
Yeah, no doubt. I'm not stereotyping. I just see beautiful natural guys and think they are stunning. That's all. I just hate to see anyone go to so much risk when they don't realize how beautiful they already are. That's all.
I was 190 lbs and 10% BF before I even worked out, at 17. My ex-wife loved my "never worked out" look, she saw a video of me setting up everything for my graduation party, and gave me a hard time for working out. I juiced for powerlifting and eventually I wanted to see how far i could take it.
 
javaguru said:
I was 190 lbs and 10% BF before I even worked out, at 17. My ex-wife loved my "never worked out" look, she saw a video of me setting up everything for my graduation party, and gave me a hard time for working out. I juiced for powerlifting and eventually I wanted to see how far i could take it.

Yeah, I know that guys and gals don't do steroids/lift/etc just because of what the opposite sex thinks. I mean, I do get it, somewhat. However, I do think that if you asked women, most would prefer a look sort of like yours -- muscular and lean but not HUGE. I do have a thing for big shoulders, but I like all types of men.
 
Gambino said:
...to using a lot of drugs?
acne drugs I had some bacne issues, esp on deca, but that's about it
hairloss drugs not an issue here, I have no MPB issues off or on the sauce. If you have MPB, you're gonna lose it eventually anyway, the juice may just speed it up a bit. So if you need hairloss drugs on steroids, you would have needed them sooner or later anyway.
drugs to make your dick work not an issue
drugs to make your tits not grow not an issue. Guess I'm just not gyno-prone. Knock on wood.
drugs to get outta bed not an issue
drugs to get to bed I've had some sleep issues, especially when the long esters finally start kicking in. Or with tren. Nothing a little melatonin won't fix.

seems like a spiral into abuse...wether this is destructive or not i dunno, but i'm concerned about this (for myself)
your thoughts?

With all of these potential issues, "your mileage may vary". Your experience will be your own individual response, it could be easier than you are expecting.
 
mightymouse69 said:
9/10 times its the painkillers that gets them in the end (of course until late 40s/50s where the heart gives out).
for who bro?
who do painkillers kill off?
 
More Drug Overdose Deaths From Prescription Pain Killers Than Cocaine Or Heroin In The US
Main Category: Mental Health News
Article Date: 25 Jul 2006 - 5:00 PDT
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Trends analysis of drug poisoning deaths has helped explain a national epidemic of overdose deaths in the USA that began in the 1990s, concludes Leonard Paulozzi and colleagues at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, USA. The contribution of prescription pain killers to the epidemic has only become clear recently. This research is published this week in the journal, Pharmacoepidemiology and Drug Safety.

Drugs called "opioids" are frequently prescribed to relieve pain, but if abused they can kill. Over the past 15 years, sales of opioid pain killers, including oxycodone, hydrocodone, methadone and fentanyl, have increased, and deaths from these drugs have increased in parallel.

In 2002, over 16,000 people died in the USA as a result of drug overdoses, with most deaths related to opioids, heroin, and cocaine. Opioids surpassed both cocaine and heroin in extent of involvement in these drug overdoses between 1999 and 2002.

The situation appears to be accelerating. Between 1979 and 1990 the rate of deaths attributed to unintentional drug poisoning increased by an average of 5.3% each year. Between 1990 and 2002, the rate increased by 18.1% per year. The contribution played by opioids is also increasing. Between 1999 and 2002 the number of overdose death certificates that mention poisoning by opioid pain killers went up by 91.2%. While the pain killer category showed the greatest increase, death certificates pointing a finger of blame at heroin and cocaine also increased by 12.4% and 22.8% respectively.

In an accompanying 'comment' article, David Joranson and Aaron Gilson of the University of Wisconsin School of Medicine and Public Health Comprehensive Cancer Centre; Pain & Policy Studies Group, of Madison, Wisconsin. They caution against increasing unwarranted fears of using opioid analgesics in pain management, noting that much of the abuse of opioid analgesics is by recreational and street users and individuals with psychiatric conditions rather than pain patients.

Joranson and Gilson also point to the large quantity of opioid analgesics stolen from pharmacies every year, saying that "overdose deaths involving prescription medications do not necessarily mean they were prescribed. It is also crucial to know that most overdose deaths involve several drugs and these data cannot attribute the cause to a particular drug."

In a second commentary, Scott Fishman, Professor of Anaesthesiology and Pain Medicine at University of California, Davis concludes that drug abuse and under treated pain are both public health crises, but the solution to one need not undermine the other. "The least we can do is make sure that the casualties of the war on drugs are not suffering patients who legitimately deserve relief," he says.

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Notes to Editors

1. Paulozzi, L. et. al: Increasing deaths from opioid analgesics in the United States. Pharmacoepidemiology and Drug Safety; DOI: 10.1002/pds.1276

2. Pharmacoepidemiology and Drug Safety aims to provide an international forum for the communication and evaluation of data, methods and opinion in the emerging discipline of pharmacoepidemiology. The Journal publishes peer-reviewed reports of original research, invited reviews and a variety of guest editorials and commentaries embracing scientific, medical, statistical and legal aspects of pharmacoepidemiology and post-marketing surveillance of drug safety. Appropriate material in these categories may also be considered for publication as a Brief Communication. Pharmacoepidemiology and Drug Safety can be accessed at: http://www.interscience.wiley.com/journal/pds
 
heatherrae said:
Yeah, I know that guys and gals don't do steroids/lift/etc just because of what the opposite sex thinks. I mean, I do get it, somewhat. However, I do think that if you asked women, most would prefer a look sort of like yours -- muscular and lean but not HUGE. I do have a thing for big shoulders, but I like all types of men.
I know, if I had a dollar for every time a woman volunteered her opinion that, "If you were twenty pounds lighter you would be totally hot." Actually, I'm a lot bigger "in person" than you realize. I'm 5'10" and 250 pounds after my bulk, probably 240-245 for Summer. I've met a friend of a friend who only saw my pictures, like in my yahoo album. Her first reaction, "Dude, you're friggin' HUGE." I reminded her that she had already seen my pics, " I know, but you're friggin huge." There was a time where I totally stopped working out and I never dropped below 225 lbs.
 
only side i'm seeing is hairloss and i cared alot at first but i dont really anymore.. i look really good with or without hair.. i'm just a fucken stud..
 
Phaded said:
only side i'm seeing is hairloss and i cared alot at first but i dont really anymore.. i look really good with or without hair.. i'm just a fucken stud..

bro, just keep on the hairloss regimen, it should come back or at least slow.
 
i know what you mean, java.

thanks to hollywood people haver been conditioned (brainwashed?) into thinking that it is normal for a guy to have a 31 inch waist line and weigh no more than 150 pounds.

what you or i would consider normal is viewed as large or overwight by all too many people today.

i recall a few years back when the shadow was trying our for a role on a network soap opera...in spite of massive amounts of cardio, dieting, dnp and gaud knows what all else he was judged by the network suits as being "too big".
 
rnch said:
i recall a few years back when the shadow was trying our for a role on a network soap opera...in spite of massive amounts of cardio, dieting, dnp and gaud knows what all else he was judged by the network suits as being "too big".

They meant his HEAD bro!
















j/k shadow :D
 
mightymouse69 said:
bro, just keep on the hairloss regimen, it should come back or at least slow.

the regimine seems to be making my hair grow back my wife just th eother day said my hair is looken thicker so i dunno.. dont really care but i'm really happy being on test.. theres nothing like always being pissed off.. its the best..
 
Phaded said:
the regimine seems to be making my hair grow back my wife just th eother day said my hair is looken thicker so i dunno.. dont really care but i'm really happy being on test.. theres nothing like always being pissed off.. its the best..

lolololol...wait till you come off...talk about angry.
 
javaguru said:
I know, if I had a dollar for every time a woman volunteered her opinion that, "If you were twenty pounds lighter you would be totally hot." Actually, I'm a lot bigger "in person" than you realize. I'm 5'10" and 250 pounds after my bulk, probably 240-245 for Summer. I've met a friend of a friend who only saw my pictures, like in my yahoo album. Her first reaction, "Dude, you're friggin' HUGE." I reminded her that she had already seen my pics, " I know, but you're friggin huge." There was a time where I totally stopped working out and I never dropped below 225 lbs.
BTW....any stupid airhead biatch that would tell you this isn't worth persuing....she needs to find some whinny, skinnny metrosexual kid she can swap jeans with and smoke clove cigarettes with.
 
heatherrae said:
Yeah, I know that guys and gals don't do steroids/lift/etc just because of what the opposite sex thinks. I mean, I do get it, somewhat. However, I do think that if you asked women, most would prefer a look sort of like yours -- muscular and lean but not HUGE. I do have a thing for big shoulders, but I like all types of men.
rofl at you saying a look like his...

hes fucking like 240+ i thought, and has been lifting hard for a long as time and has done juice in the past...

unless u meant the 190 10%
 
rnch said:
BTW....any stupid airhead biatch that would tell you this isn't worth persuing....she needs to find some whinny, skinnny metrosexual kid she can swap jeans with and smoke clove cigarettes with.


lololoolololloolol
 
javaguru said:
Dan Duchaine was the first person I read that proposed short cycles, must have been around 1993-1994. That's what I followed, I gained 12 pounds in two weeks using three amps of sten a week for two weeks on my first cycle. :)
Yep.....I got my first cert in 92 and I would certainly recommend short cycles to anyone other than a top competitor
 
rnch said:
BTW....any stupid airhead biatch that would tell you this isn't worth persuing....she needs to find some whinny, skinnny metrosexual kid she can swap jeans with and smoke clove cigarettes with.

Hehehe...I had a whiny, skinny metrosexual boyfriend who could wear my jeans - not going there again.
 
mightymouse69 said:
your being either intentionally forgetful or argumentive.

Either way you should educate yourself, its real...
refresh my memory bro, i've had a rough day...i scrolled back and you posted, seemingly out of nowhere, that painkillers kill people off
which i don't dispute
but how does that relate to this thread?
i haven't done a painpill in years
 
The Shadow said:
Yep.....I got my first cert in 92 and I would certainly recommend short cycles to anyone other than a top competitor

what would be a good short testprop/tren/anavar cycle..
 
Stefka said:
Yeah it sucked - the first time I saw him wearing my pants I wanted to cry. It was just wrong.
yeh, my li' sis dated one of those guys.....she said she decieded to dump him when she noticed his ass looked better in her jeans than she did.....:FRlol:
 
Phaded said:
what would be a good short testprop/tren/anavar cycle..
If you're not competing, test is the only thing you need, IMO. Some people have specific issues with certain drugs but MG usage is more important than a "magical stack." As long as you have anti-estrogens then you simply increase the dosage after every cycle. It really isn't rocket science, it's like looking for a "magical workout." The basics will make you grow, progressive resistance and increasing dosages make you grow. I'm sure Shadow will be able to give you a better answer but that's what I know from personal experience.
 
javaguru said:
If you're not competing, test is the only thing you need, IMO. Some people have specific issues with certain drugs but MG usage is more important than a "magical stack." As long as you have anti-estrogens then you simply increase the dosage after every cycle. It really isn't rocket science, it's like looking for a "magical workout." The basics will make you grow, progressive resistance and increasing dosages make you grow. I'm sure Shadow will be able to give you a better answer but that's what I know from personal experience.

i've heard tren is a steroid and everything else is a supplement so i was wanting to see what all the fuss is about..
 
Stefka said:
Yeah it sucked - the first time I saw him wearing my pants I wanted to cry. It was just wrong.
I dated a woman a few years ago and I gave her some of my clothes to wear so she could relax at my place. Anyway, the fact my shorts fit me better than her probably traumatized her.
 
javaguru said:
I dated a woman a few years ago and I gave her some of my clothes to wear so she could relax at my place. Anyway, the fact my shorts fit me better than her probably traumatized her.
with the glutes in ur avitar i can understand why she was envious.
 
Phaded said:
the regimine seems to be making my hair grow back my wife just th eother day said my hair is looken thicker so i dunno.. dont really care but i'm really happy being on test.. theres nothing like always being pissed off.. its the best..
Try the pregnancy hormones if you want to be pissed off...lol. I've never been so angry in all my life. I'm angrier than toby keith at a dixie chicks concert.
 
heatherrae said:
Try the pregnancy hormones if you want to be pissed off...lol. I've never been so angry in all my life. I'm angrier than toby keith at a dixie chicks concert.
Excellent country reference.....hillbilly. :)
 
SublimeZM said:
rofl at you saying a look like his...

hes fucking like 240+ i thought, and has been lifting hard for a long as time and has done juice in the past...

unless u meant the 190 10%
I just meant he looks YUMMY in his photo. He doesn't look like a super heavy bb or out of proportion.
 
rnch said:
dayum java.....u were a clean cut good looking kid way back then!!!!!







what happened? :worried:













j/k :FRlol:

When my ex-wife saw the home video of me working outside shirtless she said,"You used to be hot," Wtf???
 
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